Who can remember when rap music was underground?

elwood_blue

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I stopped listening to most new rap releases sometime in 1993; Doggystyle was the last rap CD I bought. For me, it had started to get way too commercialized and had lost it's raw edge. I believe one of the things that made most rap of the 80's great was that it sounded low-budget. It was more about an MC and a DJ, rather than a producer layering songs with so many tracks.
Other than Run DMC and The Fat Boys, LL Cool J, Whodini and the Beastie Boys, it was nearly impossible to acquire rap cassettes during that time. I went to a high school with a large number of Army brats, who had families all over the country, and we used to buy mix tapes from a couple of them for $5 a pop. They weren't actual dubs of tracks pulled from albums either; most of them were just taped broadcasts of "Mr. Magic's Rap Attack" and DJ Red Alert's Saturday night mixes from 2 weekends prior.
Even after rap became more popular, it still had an underground feel to it, other than 4 or 5 "commercial" acts like Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince or MC Hammer, who most true rap fans grew to despise after their first couple of albums. Back then it seemed more regional in nature.
Houston, with Rap-A-Lot records, had of course the Geto Boys, but also Def IV, Raheem, Gangster Nip, Too Much Trouble, and solo releases from Willie D and Scarface.
Miami was mostly bass music with Magic Mike, DXJ, MC Ade, Gigolo Tony, Disco Rick and the Dogs, Clay D and of course the 2 Live Crew. Luke Skyywalker Records also had some acts I thought were terrible: LeJuan Love, Anquette, Tony Rock.
Philly, besides the aforementioned Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, had must better acts like Schooly D, Steady B, Cool C, and Tuff Crew.
None of these acts even got so much as a sniff from Billboard, but now if I look at the Billboard Top 100, in most weeks there are 5-10 rappers in the top 25. I guess commercially it has come a long way, but artistically I don't think it is even in the same neighborhood.
So, to sum it up, I'm ******* old.
 

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In the mid 80's my friend and I would stay up late to hear Neiro, a DJ that came on 91.3 Murray State University. He was "Neiro your favorite DJ hero." He would play rap from midnight to like 2-3 am. We would record the whole program, then go back and delete the "whack" stuff. Found some really really good rap way before it hit mainstream. Thought we where the **** when we had Planet Rock bumping wayyy before it hit little Madisonville, KY. My best John D and I would help his older brother DJ at the Youth Center on Noel Ave, he had kin folk from bigger cities that would bring stuff down we had never heard. Rap is not all garbage now days, just have to pick thru the I got this, I got that ****, still some great true lyricist out there.
 

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I stopped listening to most new rap releases sometime in 1993; Doggystyle was the last rap CD I bought. For me, it had started to get way too commercialized and had lost it's raw edge. I believe one of the things that made most rap of the 80's great was that it sounded low-budget. It was more about an MC and a DJ, rather than a producer layering songs with so many tracks.
Other than Run DMC and The Fat Boys, LL Cool J, Whodini and the Beastie Boys, it was nearly impossible to acquire rap cassettes during that time. I went to a high school with a large number of Army brats, who had families all over the country, and we used to buy mix tapes from a couple of them for $5 a pop. They weren't actual dubs of tracks pulled from albums either; most of them were just taped broadcasts of "Mr. Magic's Rap Attack" and DJ Red Alert's Saturday night mixes from 2 weekends prior.
Even after rap became more popular, it still had an underground feel to it, other than 4 or 5 "commercial" acts like Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince or MC Hammer, who most true rap fans grew to despise after their first couple of albums. Back then it seemed more regional in nature.
Houston, with Rap-A-Lot records, had of course the Geto Boys, but also Def IV, Raheem, Gangster Nip, Too Much Trouble, and solo releases from Willie D and Scarface.
Miami was mostly bass music with Magic Mike, DXJ, MC Ade, Gigolo Tony, Disco Rick and the Dogs, Clay D and of course the 2 Live Crew. Luke Skyywalker Records also had some acts I thought were terrible: LeJuan Love, Anquette, Tony Rock.
Philly, besides the aforementioned Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, had must better acts like Schooly D, Steady B, Cool C, and Tuff Crew.
None of these acts even got so much as a sniff from Billboard, but now if I look at the Billboard Top 100, in most weeks there are 5-10 rappers in the top 25. I guess commercially it has come a long way, but artistically I don't think it is even in the same neighborhood.
So, to sum it up, I'm ****ing old.
Would much rather remember a time when it wasn't around at all. Amazes me the phenomenon this has become. THIS **** IS NOT MUSIC OR ARTISTIC!
 

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Opened thread anticipating the latest edition of the Mashburned vs. bbDK rap battle. Guess I'll check back later.
 

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BBdK isn't allowed in the underground.

Didn't read much, but what has happened is this...

Rap is now the pop music. There is still underground. There are many different genres and avenues in the rap game. Just like with rock.
 

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Would much rather remember a time when it wasn't around at all. Amazes me the phenomenon this has become. THIS **** IS NOT MUSIC OR ARTISTIC!
When you start defining what music is and what art is or should be then you're severally limiting your perspective. Art can be many many many things. Music can take many many many forms.
 

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When you start defining what music is and what art is or should be then you're severally limiting your perspective. Art can be many many many things. Music can take many many many forms.
I'm sorry , but something that is filthy and degrading to a society is not music or artistic. Yes, I am an old fart and I have a lot of different genres of music that I listen to on a regular basis. But I will never understand this one. Just my opinion and my taste.
 
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You know what amazes me? How many awful takes you can have on a consistent basis.
Why, because someone has a different opinion than yours. I am waiting to hear what is good about it . Anytime you can be sitting in a car and the person next to you is playing something that is not fit for women and children to listen to and is degrading to mothers, sisters, wives everywhere it should not be considered music.
 

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elwood, I too remember when rap was mainly regional. My first rap experience was Super Wolf (out of Jackson, TN) and remember when King Tim III dropped 'Personality Jock' in '79. Sugarhill blew up later that year but KT never got his just due.

Yeah, I'm touching old too...

 
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I'm sorry , but something that is filthy and degrading to a society is not music or artistic. Yes, I am an old fart and I have a lot of different genres of music that I listen to on a regular basis. But I will never understand this one. Just my opinion and my taste.
A lot of art throughout history has generally been considered obscene or degrading relative to the time period. Doesn't change the fact that it's art. Art can be beautiful, innocent, violent, perverse. If you want to say something is not my taste then that's fine. It's still art. That said, not all hip hop is art. In fact a huge portion of it is formulated to target and exploit a demographic for money.
 

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I remember when rap was still underground. I grew up in the 80s. My first rap tape was L.L. Cool J's Bigger and Deffer. One could watch Yo! MTV Raps at 10 a.m. or 10 p.m. on Saturdays. That's all the play the genre got. I still remember sneaking down to the basement to watch Yo! MTV Raps followed by Headbanger's Ball.

It's why even in my mid-30s, my two favorite types of music are metal and rap and I don't see that changing. Both share some of the same qualities (anger, aggression, anti-establishment sentiments, take no **** attitude) that I've long enjoyed.

I haven't listened to much new rap in a while. I stayed with it until about 2005. I either got too old or it got too ******. Probably a little bit of both. I still love the 80s/90s stuff.
 

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A lot of art throughout history has generally been considered obscene or degrading relative to the time period. Doesn't change the fact that it's art. Art can be beautiful, innocent, violent, perverse. If you want to say something is not my taste then that's fine. It's still art. That said, not all hip hop is art. In fact a huge portion of it is formulated to target and exploit a demographic for money.
So in a sense we agree on most of it?
 
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I'm sorry , but something that is filthy and degrading to a society is not music or artistic. Yes, I am an old fart and I have a lot of different genres of music that I listen to on a regular basis. But I will never understand this one. Just my opinion and my taste.
They said the same thing amount Michelangelo's David. It's now considered top 10 greatest works of art. It's about understanding.
 
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Why, because someone has a different opinion than yours. I am waiting to hear what is good about it . Anytime you can be sitting in a car and the person next to you is playing something that is not fit for women and children to listen to and is degrading to mothers, sisters, wives everywhere it should not be considered music.

Your brush is wide sluggo. Were you this mad when Elvis was shaking his hips in what many considered an obscene manner?
 
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Pretty much anytime any music hits the Billboard charts these days it has lost nearly all artistic integrity. High quality art doesn't sell or go mainstream. All the Billboard music is the junk that has a catchy tune or beat.
 
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Pretty much anytime any music hits the Billboard charts it has lost nearly all artistic integrity. High quality art doesn't sell or go mainstream.
If something sells or becomes popular it doesn't necessarily mean it has lost it's artistic integrity. No one knows who Truffaut or Godard are but they know who Tarantino and Scorsese are. All four are great artists.
 

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Your brush is wide sluggo. Were you this mad when Elvis was shaking his hips in what many considered an obscene manner?
That's funny...so you are comparing Elvis's hips to the filth and degrading stuff that comes out of rapper's mouths. You are going to have to do better than that. Bet your mom likes Elvis, but would you sit and listen to rap with her or your daughter
 

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That's funny...so you are comparing Elvis's hips to the filth and degrading stuff that comes out of rapper's mouths. You are going to have to do better than that. Bet your mom likes Elvis, but would you sit and listen to rap with her or your daughter

Every genre of music has been offensive to certain groups throughout history. Rap is nothing new gramps.
 
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Every genre of music has been offensive to certain groups throughout history. Rap is nothing new gramps.
Yes. I am a grandpa 7 times Thank You, but I damn sure don't need some young blank feeding me a line of bull that rap music is nothing more than what past forms of music have been. If you truly believe that then you are stupid. I will ask again...If you think it is so great would you listen to it with your mother, sister or 13 year old daughter. You cannot be serious!!
 

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Had a cassette tape of the many various versions of/replies to 'Roxanne, Roxanne'. What group was that? UTFO?
 

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Yes. I am a grandpa 7 times Thank You, but I damn sure don't need some young blank feeding me a line of bull that rap music is nothing more than what past forms of music have been. If you truly believe that then you are stupid. I will ask again...If you think it is so great would you listen to it with your mother, sister or 13 year old daughter. You cannot be serious!!

What a stupid question. I wouldn't watch a R rated movie with my "13 y/o daughter", doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Why is that the litmus test? Also, what you are describing doesn't cover all rap regardless.
 
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What a stupid question. I wouldn't watch a R rated movie with my "13 y/o daughter", doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Why is that the litmus test? Also, what you are describing doesn't cover all rap regardless.
I am aware of that , but is there actually anything but gansta rap left? And why was the question stupid. Do you want men taking out your daughter that will play this kind of music in front of her?
 

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I remember listening to Rhapsody In Black on the radio on Saturday nights back in the early 80's. It was some Cincy station that must have bumped up their wattage during that time because I could only tune that station in on Saturday night during that show.

I remember hearing these groups on that show: Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5, Sugar Hill Gang, Jam Master Jay, Curtis Blow. I also remember "The Adventures of Super Rymes" or something like that. Song was like 15 minutes long and they played it in it's entirety during that show. A 15 minute tune on the radio? Blew my mind.
 

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I remember listening to Rhapsody In Black on the radio on Saturday nights back in the early 80's. It was some Cincy station that must have bumped up their wattage during that time because I could only tune that station in on Saturday night during that show.

I remember hearing these groups on that show: Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5, Sugar Hill Gang, Jam Master Jay, Curtis Blow. I also remember "The Adventures of Super Rymes" or something like that. Song was like 15 minutes long and they played it in it's entirety during that show. A 15 minute tune on the radio? Blew my mind.

Jimmy Spicer. :)
 

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After 15 seconds I was about to gong that one hoojy, but then it became so stupid it was hilarious, especially delivery of The Riddler. Good stuff.
 

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Gangsta Rap was invented by white people to cause black people to kill each other.

The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."

This might not belong here, but I heard her say this and much more in an interview on tv. I still laugh about it when reminded of it. Pretty sure she mentioned old, white, Jewish guys were behind it all.
 

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So this thread says:

The only good music is not well known music.

Rap is not music because it doesn't appeal to people who are older than ****.

Michaelangelo was gay because he sculpted penis.

Sculpted penis =/= rap.

Gangster rap is the weapon of the white man.