Who's done more with less?

[TBrown4UK]

Rivals average recruiting ranking 2013 - 2016.

Kentucky 28TH
Louisville 36TH
Houston 64TH

Regardless if they are a 2,3 or 4 star, you have to be able to help your players gain the advantage by putting them in the right positions at the right times and call the right plays. You have to be able to coach them up.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Are the transfers and players in the system already a consideratuon in this discussion?

 

[Kats23]

It's Louisville as a whole but as mentioned above getting talented castaways from other schools sure does help UL's cause. From just a recruiting standpoint, it's Houston. Small conference and being shadowed by bigger programs in Texas, Houston has stubbed their toe a couple times this year but they're doing more with less. Just like UK, Houston has to learn to win. I think Houston overlooked an opponent or two this year bc of who they have beaten in the past.

 

[Nuke99m.]

Rankings mean nothing till you get them in to school and through a few years. Also you are bringing in recruits to a team that had mid level OVC talent when Joker left.

Why did you start at 2013. Did the #67 ranking in 2012(Jon Toths class) for UK skew your results?

Nice try at an agenda post though.

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Come on OP..you should know better than to try and bring numbers and logic on here..this is the same board that was arguing to give Joker "more time" because of his "young talent" during his final year

 

[akaukswoosh]

this is the same board that was arguing to give Joker "more time" because of his "young talent" during his final year

Yeah, there were hundreds here that wanted to keep Joker for a few more years. LOL

 

[jauk11]

Come on OP..you should know better than to try and bring numbers and logic on here..this is the same board that was arguing to give Joker "more time" because of his "young talent" during his final year

He knows, but it doesn't fit you guys agendas, why don't you go find a team you can pull for instead of trying to tear down our team?

News, Bulletin, just in, Stoops won't be fired in 15, or 16 and quite possibly NEVER after the 17 season. If enough of you irrational critics hang around though he might skip out to a school with a lot more potential than UK, although I think he can do quite well here.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Rivals average recruiting ranking 2013 - 2016.

Kentucky 28TH
Louisville 36TH
Houston 64TH

Regardless if they are a 2,3 or 4 star, you have to be able to help your players gain the advantage by putting them in the right positions at the right times and call the right plays. You have to be able to coach them up.

What is Washington St's?

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Rankings mean nothing till you get them in to school and through a few years. Also you are bringing in recruits to a team that had mid level OVC talent when Joker left.

Why did you start at 2013. Did the #67 ranking in 2012(Jon Toths class) for UK skew your results?

Nice try at an agenda post though.

It was not midlevel OVC talent. We were still ranked way higher than any ovc team ever thought about.

 

[jauk11]

Are the transfers and players in the system already a consideratuon in this discussion?

Come on, that doesn't fit their agenda. At Bama they have a large stockpile of fifth year FOUR star players, at UK (up until Stoops) any really talented player HAD to play NOW, we will start having a few of these talented AND experienced players as team leaders-------in a couple of years, thanks to Stoops. We have very few senior leaders this year, (very few at all, really) let alone fifth year talented ones, maybe a couple like Toth, but they certainly weren't all world coming in...

 

[JC CATS]

Yeah, there were hundreds here that wanted to keep Joker for a few more years. LOL

Yeah hundreds at the games, a lot of them didn't want to keep Joker but he did give it a good try

 

[Pike 96]

Cant judge and compare the entire body of work across conferences. Houston and UL have clearly been much better than us the last two years...but they also were lucky enough to have serious difference makers at QB and on the DLine. And in UL's case...a handful of transfers... including Fields, Harvey Clemons, Wiggins, Staples that didn't count towards those rankings...and that's just from this year. Several more over the last couple of years.

 

[BigBoyBlueMMA]

also got to take into account starting position

Kentucky 1,000,002TH
Louisville 24TH
Houston 94TH

relativity must include all aspects of one's argument

 

[BlueRunner11]

Yeah, there were hundreds here that wanted to keep Joker for a few more years. LOL

Even some in this thread lol

 

[KyCatFan1]

What is Washington St's?

55th average between 2013-2016.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Ul got real lucky with Jackson. Wasn't he a 3 star? How high was bridgewater ranked in HS?

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

I would argue UL because they've run roughshod in a P5 and until recently were in play off talks.

Outstanding considering all in all their talent isn't significantly better than UK's.

I would say that is largely coaching and developing to succeed with in a system. Give Sneaky P UK's roster the past few years and he'll have close to the same record.

Lamar Jackson is great, but Sneaky P's offense will produce no matter who the qb is. Don't forget he made Brian Brohm appear all world, I think he could have worked with Patrick Towles, Drew Barker and even Steven Johnson.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Ul got real lucky with Jackson. Wasn't he a 3 star? How high was bridgewater ranked in HS?

Think both were 4 stars. They also have a 4 star waiting behind Jackson. They used a QB from Lexington who looked like Tom Brady against us to beat us 2 years ago.
No excuse for us to lose that game last year

 

[catscratchfever3215]

Rivals average recruiting ranking 2013 - 2016.

Kentucky 28TH
Louisville 36TH
Houston 64TH

Regardless if they are a 2,3 or 4 star, you have to be able to help your players gain the advantage by putting them in the right positions at the right times and call the right plays. You have to be able to coach them up.

With all of this you need to take into account transfers and dismissals for each school. UK has lost a lot of player while UL has gained some very talented players.

Josh Harvey-Clemons rated 6.1 5 star and the 31st ranked high schooler.
Davonte Fields 4 star rated 170 ranked high schooler.
Shaq Wiggins 4 star ranked as the 31st best cornerback coming out.

Those 3 would boost UL rankings pretty good. They seem to get a few transfers every year. So recruiting ranking can be misleading in their case.

 

[buckkiller]

UL gets alot of good quality transfers so they are doing more with more. I would say Houston is doing more with less. I think most of our quality talent is in the younger classes and redshirted IMO.

 

[mtn cat1]

Think both were 4 stars. They also have a 4 star waiting behind Jackson. They used a QB from Lexington who looked like Tom Brady against us to beat us 2 years ago.
No excuse for us to lose that game last year

Are posters on this board "open minded" enough to entertain the thought that there are paradoxes being expressed in the "point - counter point views" being expressed here??????

 

[jauk11]

UL gets alot of good quality transfers so they are doing more with more. I would say Houston is doing more with less. I think most of our quality talent is in the younger classes and redshirted IMO.

i assume by good quality you are only referring to their football playing ability/

 

[buckkiller]

i assume by good quality you are only referring to their football playing ability/

Lol i see what you did there

 

[Anon1660081258]

What is "less"? I'd suggest that in no small part the disparity between recruiting rankings and on the field results largely suggests that recruiting rankings are much less indicative of prospects of future success than the "experts" would have all of us believe. There are too many intangibles they just don't adequately assess, not the least of which are intellect, motivation, and personal character. Recruiting rankings are too dependent on physical measurables and gameday performance against kids who are too often physically overmatched. What happens to the 4 or 5 star lineman when he is thrown in to a world full of giants? This is what really tells. Was he really just a playground bully, who shrinks from the fight the first time he gets hit in the mouth? Often, it is a kid who must still grow and mature who has the real tools to get the job done down the road.

 

[TBrown4UK]

Good conversation guys. Yes, we've had our share of attrition, transfers in and out. We've also picked up our share of JuCo players as well.

 

[Snarks]

UL has had some incredibly talented players transfer in (after getting dismissed from another team). That, plus LJ is the difference between UL and UK.

Houston has a great coach and a good recruiting base. Oliver was the #1 DT recruit last year, so they have gotten some studs as well as players UT and A&M overlooked.

 

[EnPassant]

Come on, that doesn't fit their agenda. At Bama they have a large stockpile of fifth year FOUR star players, at UK (up until Stoops) any really talented player HAD to play NOW, we will start having a few of these talented AND experienced players as team leaders-------in a couple of years, thanks to Stoops. We have very few senior leaders this year, (very few at all, really) let alone fifth year talented ones, maybe a couple like Toth, but they certainly weren't all world coming in...

Huge misnomer that there are a lot of 5th year players in college football. Alabama and Georgia both have only 2 kids from the 2012 playing any - we only have 2 left who are even on the team. No one has "stockpiles" of kids from the 2012 class and really you don't see that many from 2013 by now. Pretty much every team is "young" as you define it.

 

[jauk11]

Huge misnomer that there are a lot of 5th year players in college football. Alabama and Georgia both have only 2 kids from the 2012 playing any - we only have 2 left who are even on the team. No one has "stockpiles" of kids from the 2012 class and really you don't see that many from 2013 by now. Pretty much every team is "young" as you define it.

Almost always #1 or at least top ten recruiting classes every year, not a valid comparison to UK. Most of their commits probably think they have some chance of going pro after three years.

Try Missouri when they were successful the past couple of years, maybe even this year, a much more comparable situation, although I think we are way above them in recruiting rankings by now...

 

[football follies]

UL offense minus Jackson = average offense and average team.

UK lost its starting QB early. How many wins does ul have if Jackson's season ended the same week as Barker's did?

6, 7 ?

 

[Black Diamond Cat]

Rivals average recruiting ranking 2013 - 2016.

Kentucky 28TH
Louisville 36TH
Houston 64TH

Regardless if they are a 2,3 or 4 star, you have to be able to help your players gain the advantage by putting them in the right positions at the right times and call the right plays. You have to be able to coach them up.

There are some holes in your theory OP. UofL keeps the ' Waver Wire ' open always for thieves and rapist to transfer to the River city, and neither Louisville or Houston plays in the SEC, even the SEC East, as down as it is, would pop both the Cougars and the Cards in the mouth 2 or 3 times each year !

 

[reflaine]

Where would those rankings compare to teams in the same conference and ratings. Kentucky might be 27th but 12th in the sec.

Where Louisville might be 36th and 3rd in their conference. Since 75 percent of your games are against conference teams might show something else.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Boise State does well for what recruits it gets.
Colorado had been a doormat till this year.
and Troy is near dead last in recruiting.

 

[BlueRunner11]

UL offense minus Jackson = average offense and average team.

UK lost its starting QB early. How many wins does ul have if Jackson's season ended the same week as Barker's did?

6, 7 ?

While you're first statement is defintely true, comparing a Jackson loss to a Barker loss is apples to oranges.

Barker has never won a single game as a UK QB and it's debatable if a Barker led team would've had any more if even as much success as this S. Johnson led team.

 

[buckkiller]

Yeah Difference between UL AND UK is 1 OBVIOUSLY LJ and 2 might have lil bit better D and maybe few more skill players. I think other then LJ when we are talking fresh -soph I believe we have talent edge there. The thing that puts them over the top is the criminal studs that transfer in IMO.

 

[football follies]

While you're first statement is defintely true, comparing a Jackson loss to a Barker loss is apples to oranges.

Barker has never won a single game as a UK QB and it's debatable if a Barker led team would've had any more if even as much success as this S. Johnson led team.

How many wins would ul have?

 

[BlueRunner11]

How many wins would ul have?

Obviously UL would not have anywhere near the success without Jackson this year, but my point is Barker/S. Johnson for us is likely a push if not a slight edge to Johnson.

Johnson has allowed us to rely more on our backs, keep the clock moving, control time of possession, and keep our D off the field. That has translated to wins.

Do you honestly think we're sitting at 8-2 right now with Barker? I don't. I'm not sure we are even 5-5 right now with him.