Why I hate dOSU

EvanstonCat

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This is as much for stpaulcat as anyone else, but I thank him for raising the topic in his note asking why we must hate dOSU. It allows for the opportunity to revisit things of importance that some too easily overlook or too readily aim to forget.

He like others on this board wonder why I appear to be obsessed with dOSU and why I truly and absolutely hate them to my bone. And why this game means so much to me every year, despite the stark odds that Vegas puts against us in most years including this one.

The truth is that if this were a program run by Woody Hayes, that won championships, beat the snot of NU, and worked to educate and graduate its kids, I'd have nothing but the utmost respect for them and wished we could emulate them.

The truth is that dOSU is far from what it was under Woody Hayes. When Buckeye players were pushed to study and graduate. And make something useful of their lives regardless of what football might do for them. No, I do not wish to emulate them. I choose to despise them. And Hayes himself would be rolling in his grave if he knew what has become of dOSU.

Simply put, dOSU is a cheater. A football factory that has absurdly poor grad rates, particularly for its exploited African-American players. A school that cheats its star athletes through school, and runs off players when they fall in the depth chart. A school whose roster is filled with players who largely come in clean, but who leave with criminal and sometimes felony records. And still play football.

I hate dOSU and it is my opinion that we all should hate dOSU. Because they are the antithesis of what we represent. They cheat and get 5 star recruits and then brag when they succeed on the field, looking the other way and playing with smoke and mirrors to cause the rest of the nation to the same when it comes the the cost of integrity and the future of the kids it exploits. Because they have no integrity and are willing to do anything to win, it comes easy for them. And some how they think the empty accomplishments they have made while sacrificing their souls are worth being proud of. We do not have it easy. We claw and scratch, toeing the line without losing our integrity. We are the good guys. Which is why when we win Big 10 championships, it means so much more than any dOSU championship that has been won since the Hayes era.

Sure, there are other schools who have similarly appalling albeit hardly equal records of shame. But, clearly none moreso in our own conference than dOSU, and none reap as much in ill-begotten fruits of those crimes and fraud as dOSU. And that's why I hate them.

This is more than a football game. And let's not lose perspective - it is no rivalry either. Michigan and dOSU is a cute rivalry. But, nothing real is truly at stake there, as Michigan is further along the curve towards dOSU than anyone would like them to be. This is truly a battle between good and evil. A test of justice. We are putting to question a principle. When dOSU wins, it proves that cheating works and is the way of the world. When we win, we demonstrate to the world that winning can go hand in hand with integrity and the scholar athlete ideal.

My heart goes out to the brave and noble Wildcat players, who have done it right all year, have struggled through adversity, and who are finally coming of age and are taking on the demon. The stage is set. The nation is watching. The battle lines are drawn. I have faith in our boys, whom most outside of Evanston believe to be outmatched, because I still believe in justice. I believe we beat the snot out of them this weekend and deliver a just blow for all that is good in the world. And when they do, applaud them not because they are heroes. They are heroes for even fighting the battle. Applaud them for slaying the beast and becoming legends in process, to be remembered forever.

You wanna know who we are playing this weekend? You wanna open your eyes and not be fooled by the blind who would say dOSU isn't that bad? Read on, Wildcat patriot. This list of criminal travails has been posted on the NU board several times before, but its worth going through again, lest some of us (not just stpaulcat) forget.

It is an old list, because when we started logging the entries, we eventually concluded that there would be no end. So, we gave up. Although the players names from yesteryear, they are really still the same. They are Buckeyes and they still wear the Scarlet and Grey, tainted as those colors may be. And they are still coached by an agent of inaction, whether his name be Cooper, Tressell or Meyer. Or at best an inconsequential chess piece in the effed up institution that is dOSU. This may be Tressell's list, but it mind as well be Meyer's. If you think things have changed under Urban Meyer - he who employs and covers up wife beaters - then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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EvanstonCat

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Buckeye Hall of Shame 2001-2004

Pick any four seasons. How about Jim Tressell's first 4 at tOSU? 19 different Buckeyes got into trouble with the law under Jim Tressell's reign through the end of 2004. It would be 20, if you count Robert Reynolds who should have been charged with attempted murder and at least felonious assault and battery in his brutal choking of Wisconsin QB Jim Sorgi.

For reference, Jan 18, 2001 is when Tressell was hired. Thats 19 Buckeye players in just less than 4 seasons of play in trouble with the law under Jim Tressell's reign. Parents gotta love the fact that Jim Tressell's players get into trouble with the law almost at the same rate as his players graduate.

We can at another time delve into the chronicles of Maurice Clarett, whose story epitomizes all that is wrong with dOSU. Tales of academic fraud. Favoritism. Hundred dollar handshakes. Abandonment when things get hard and when value diminishes. Clarett's sad journey from beloved freshman star of the National Championship game to utter pariah and finally to institutionalized prisoner is a dark one, and one that cannot be fully given justice here -- read the ESPN chronicles for a deeper look into the real face of dOSU.

But, I digress. The point is that this is an incomplete list, simply because keeping up with the infractions at dOSU is too much for anyone. We gave up on updating this list, so please forgive us for not being able to keep this outrageous pace. Chances are by the time you've read this, yet another Buckeye player has gotten into trouble with the law.


The Members from 2001-2004:

December 21, 2004: Albert Dukes, a freshman WR was arrested 12/21 in Palm Beach County, FL for felonious lewd and lascivious battery involving a 13 year old girl.

October 23, 2004: Lydell Ross is arrested at Pure Platinum gentlemen's club on Bethel Road in Columbus for attempting to pass fake money to a 24-year-old woman at the club. Ross was suspended for two games and the charges were later dropped.

June 7, 2004: Ohio State University police arrested tight end Louis Irizarry and charged him with Criminal Trespassing at Neil and Tuttle Park Place.

May 17, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is arrested again for underaged drinking. This time, it was by Perkins Township police near Sandusky, Oh.

May 5, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is charged with underage drinking. The all-state punter was cited after the Spring Game along East 15th Avenue near campus, authorities said.

May 1, 2004: Sophomore backups Louis Irizarry and Ira Guilford are arrested and charged with robbery after a student is assaulted and his wallet is stolen at 3 a.m. They are held in Franklin County jail through the weekend. Both plead innocent to the robbery charge, with Guilford released after paying a $25,000 bond. Irizarry is held pending a hearing to determine if he had violated his probation from an earlier assault conviction.

April 29, 2004: Ohio State fullback Branden Joe was cited for an alleged misdemeanor open container violation, according to Columbus police.

Nov. 16, 2003: At 3 a.m. after a win over Purdue and six days before the Michigan game, wide receiver Santonio Holmes and quarterback Troy Smith are charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a fight in a parking lot on campus. A window in a car is kicked out and one woman reported her jaw was broken. Holmes is held out of the starting lineup at Michigan but returns to play most of the game. Holmes also started in the Buckeyes' Fiesta Bowl game. He pleads innocent to the disorderly conduct after the team returns to Columbus. The disorderly conduct charge is dismissed against Holmes on March 30, 2004. Smith is found guilty of the charge.

Oct. 27, 2003: Louis Irizarry is charged with three counts of first-degree misdemeanor assault after three people sustain minor injuries during a fight in a Park Hall dorm room. Irizarry is suspended two days later. He is found guilty of one charge each of assault, negligent assault and disorderly conduct and pays $404 court costs and is put on probation. He is later reinstated to the team and is listed as the second-team tight end on the 2004 spring depth chart before he is suspended indefinitely after the May 1, 2004, arrest.

June 2003: Sophomore tight end Redgie Arden of Ohio State pleaded innocent Monday to his second drunken driving charge in 15 months. Arden, 21, was arrested at 5:54 a.m. Sunday on a charge of operating a motor vehicle under the influence, the Ironton Police Department said. In March 2002, Arden pleaded guilty to a drunken driving charge in Ironton. He was sentenced to three days in jail and fined.

April 2003: Running back Maurice Clarett reports that a car he has borrowed from a local used-car dealer was broken into and thousands of dollars in cash, CDs, stereo equipment and clothing was stolen. The car was in the parking lot at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center and Clarett calls police from a telephone in Tressell's office. Clarett was later charged with lying to police about the value of the stolen items and is charged with misdemeanor falsification of the police report on the theft. Clarett pleads guilty on Jan. 14, 2004, to the reduced charge of failure to aid a law enforcement officer. He is ordered to pay the maximum fine of $100 and serves no jail time.

Oct. 13, 2002: Linebacker Fred Pagac Jr. is charged with persistent disorderly conduct. Pagac was arrested at 3:45 a.m. after police said he was intoxicated and had a role in a fight involving two women outside a campus-area bar about 12 hours after the Buckeyes' homecoming victory over San Jose State. The police report said an officer told Pagac to stop but he continued to fight. Pagac was suspended for the team's next game at Wisconsin. Pagac pleaded innocent. In December, before the team's national championship game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl, Pagac was acquitted in a jury trial.

Aug. 17, 2002: Defensive lineman Quinn Pitcock is charged with underage drinking in his hometown of Piqua. Despite fleeing from police, and possessing Buckeye football speed, he is chased down by the Piqua cops and puts up a brief struggle, but is not charged with resisting arrest. He is suspended from the team for the three weeks of preseason workouts, then worked out with the team and is not held out of any games. He pleaded no contest to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct.

Aug. 24, 2002: Flanker Chris Vance, the Buckeyes' second-leading receiver from 2001, is suspended from the team before the season opener for what Tressel called a violation of team policy. Vance was with the team on the sidelines but did not play against Texas Tech. He rejoined the team for practice the following week but did not play in the second game against Kent State. Athletic director Andy Geiger later said Vance's unspecified violation took place the previous winter. Vance returned for the third game.

July 29, 2002: Wide receiver Angelo Chattams is investigated for the alleged theft of a set of golf clubs from a sport utility vehicle in West Carrollton. Prosecutors approve but do not file a theft charge, permitting Chattams to enroll in a program for nonviolent, first-time offenders and avoid a charge. He was excused from the team to deal with the legal matter, then reinstated and played in the season-opener. He does not play again for the Buckeyes.

July 26, 2002: Police find Branden Joe, a sophomore fullback, asleep in a car on a highway ramp near campus. The police report says he refused to take a Breathalyzer test. He was suspended for the three weeks of preseason camp and the team's season opener against Texas Tech, then returns to the team although his playing time is limited by injuries.

April 27, 2002: Linebacker Marco Cooper is arrested hours after the Buckeyes' annual intrasquad scrimmage and charged with felony drug abuse and carrying a concealed weapon in his sports-utility vehicle. Cooper pleads guilty to two charges in November and is put on probation.

March 2, 2002: Tight end Redgie Arden is arrested on a charge of drunken driving in his hometown of Ironton. The redshirt freshman is found guilty and is sentenced to three days in jail and fined. Suspended indefinitely from the team, he does not participate in summer workouts before the 2002 season but is reinstated before the start of the 2002 season and played in 11 games.

Nov. 15, 2001: Quarterback Steve Bellisari is arrested two days before the Illinois game for drunken driving. Tressell suspends the Buckeyes' three-year starter indefinitely and then reinstates him to the team three days later. A senior, he practiced with the team for the Michigan game but did not play, then came off the bench to play most of the team's Outback Bowl loss to South Carolina. He later served a weekend in jail.

March 21, 2001: Cornerback Derek Ross is arrested on charges of driving without a license and providing false information to police, giving an incorrect name when pulled over for speeding. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He is suspended from Ohio State's 2001 spring practices, then played most of the 2001 season, leading the Big Ten in interceptions and earning second-team all-conference honors. Left team to make himself available for the NFL draft a year early.
 

EvanstonCat

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Buckeye Dishonorable Mentions

Note that the above list does NOT include other incidents that have happened while on Tressell's watch, which include:

May, 2003: Chris Gamble and 9 other players are ruled ineligible by the university for signing autographs at a health care group's convention. The players were paid an hourly salary for working at a booth operated by a central Ohio health care company at the Ohio Health Care Association's convention May 5-8 in Columbus.

October 11, 2003: Robert Reynolds chokes Wisconsin QB, Jim Sorgi, knocking him out of the Badgers' 17-10 win over the Buckeyes. The act was so violent, that Sorgi clearly could have pressed charges for felony assault, but alas Reynolds's act fails to join the Hall of Shame by the refusal of the victim to press charges.

Fall 2003: NCAA investigates Ohio State players for possible academic ineligibility. Maurice Clarett is the focus of the investigation. Chris Gamble's name was mentioned, but either nothing was found against him or the entire investigation was turned against Maurice when a teacher admitted that Clarett got preferential treatment. She was then was later fired by the university. Clarett was guilty of 14 violations of the ethical-conduct bylaw and two violations of receiving preferential treatment or benefits because he is an athlete. Clarett was suspended for the entire 2003 season.

Fall 2004: Maurice Clarett blows the whistle on dOSU. ESPN does an excellent series of articles exposing the dark undercurrents and cheating of the Ohio State football machine, citing cases from a number of ex-Buckeye players, both those who were rode off the team after they were seen not to merit a scholarship for their play as well as a corroborations of a number of successful Buckeye players who were drafted and played in the NFL and had no reason to lie. Travesties included putting players like Sam "the Bull" Maldonaldo on a Mickey Mouse course curriculum, and then dropping all academic "assistance," after they fell out of favor with the coaches. Abandoned players found later that they couldn't transfer Ohio State earned credits, because they did not stand up to academic standards for other schools in and outside of Division I. Others discuss hundred dollar handshakes, and receiving money, cars, and gifts from boosters for performing in games. Others talked about "tutors" who would write papers for players and take tests for them.


And you people wonder why I hate dOSU. I hate criminals (yes, stpaulcat, they are criminals) and I hate cheats. And I hate institutions that celebrate and cultivate them. And so should you.
 

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eh, my second favorite team after the Cats !! Let's take tOSU to the cleaners in the B1G CCG.

.02 and, Go Cats !!
 

Hungry Jack

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When I read ECat’s litany of complaints against TOSU, I am not sure if I should laugh, or if I should cry.
 

M1Buckeye

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During the off season, Urban is Director of Concentration Camps for Kim Jung-un in North Korea.
 

MotownMedilldo

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Don't forget their fearless leader also harbored a future murderer who was already exhibiting serious criminal behavior at Florida and OSU still hired him.
 

stpaulcat

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This is as much for stpaulcat as anyone else, but I thank him for raising the topic in his note asking why we must hate dOSU. It allows for the opportunity to revisit things of importance that some too easily overlook or too readily aim to forget.

He like others on this board wonder why I appear to be obsessed with dOSU and why I truly and absolutely hate them to my bone. And why this game means so much to me every year, despite the stark odds that Vegas puts against us in most years including this one.

The truth is that if this were a program run by Woody Hayes, that won championships, beat the snot of NU, and worked to educate and graduate its kids, I'd have nothing but the utmost respect for them and wished we could emulate them.

The truth is that dOSU is far from what it was under Woody Hayes. When Buckeye players were pushed to study and graduate. And make something useful of their lives regardless of what football might do for them. No, I do not wish to emulate them. I choose to despise them. And Hayes himself would be rolling in his grave if he knew what has become of dOSU.

Simply put, dOSU is a cheater. A football factory that has absurdly poor grad rates, particularly for its exploited African-American players. A school that cheats its star athletes through school, and runs off players when they fall in the depth chart. A school whose roster is filled with players who largely come in clean, but who leave with criminal and sometimes felony records. And still play football.

I hate dOSU and it is my opinion that we all should hate dOSU. Because they are the antithesis of what we represent. They cheat and get 5 star recruits and then brag when they succeed on the field, looking the other way and playing with smoke and mirrors to cause the rest of the nation to the same when it comes the the cost of integrity and the future of the kids it exploits. Because they have no integrity and are willing to do anything to win, it comes easy for them. And some how they think the empty accomplishments they have made while sacrificing their souls are worth being proud of. We do not have it easy. We claw and scratch, toeing the line without losing our integrity. We are the good guys. Which is why when we win Big 10 championships, it means so much more than any dOSU championship that has been won since the Hayes era.

Sure, there are other schools who have similarly appalling albeit hardly equal records of shame. But, clearly none moreso in our own conference than dOSU, and none reap as much in ill-begotten fruits of those crimes and fraud as dOSU. And that's why I hate them.

This is more than a football game. And let's not lose perspective - it is no rivalry either. Michigan and dOSU is a cute rivalry. But, nothing real is truly at stake there, as Michigan is further along the curve towards dOSU than anyone would like them to be. This is truly a battle between good and evil. A test of justice. We are putting to question a principle. When dOSU wins, it proves that cheating works and is the way of the world. When we win, we demonstrate to the world that winning can go hand in hand with integrity and the scholar athlete ideal.

My heart goes out to the brave and noble Wildcat players, who have done it right all year, have struggled through adversity, and who are finally coming of age and are taking on the demon. The stage is set. The nation is watching. The battle lines are drawn. I have faith in our boys, whom most outside of Evanston believe to be outmatched, because I still believe in justice. I believe we beat the snot out of them this weekend and deliver a just blow for all that is good in the world. And when they do, applaud them not because they are heroes. They are heroes for even fighting the battle. Applaud them for slaying the beast and becoming legends in process, to be remembered forever.

You wanna know who we are playing this weekend? You wanna open your eyes and not be fooled by the blind who would say dOSU isn't that bad? Read on, Wildcat patriot. This list of criminal travails has been posted on the NU board several times before, but its worth going through again, lest some of us (not just stpaulcat) forget.

It is an old list, because when we started logging the entries, we eventually concluded that there would be no end. So, we gave up. Although the players names from yesteryear, they are really still the same. They are Buckeyes and they still wear the Scarlet and Grey, tainted as those colors may be. And they are still coached by an agent of inaction, whether his name be Cooper, Tressell or Meyer. Or at best an inconsequential chess piece in the effed up institution that is dOSU. This may be Tressell's list, but it mind as well be Meyer's. If you think things have changed under Urban Meyer - he who employs and covers up wife beaters - then I have a bridge to sell you.
Thank you General ECat!
"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a goddamned thing. Let the Buckeyes do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living **** out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy." (General George Patton, more or less)
 
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montana_cat

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Buckeye Hall of Shame 2001-2004

Pick any four seasons. How about Jim Tressell's first 4 at tOSU? 19 different Buckeyes got into trouble with the law under Jim Tressell's reign through the end of 2004. It would be 20, if you count Robert Reynolds who should have been charged with attempted murder and at least felonious assault and battery in his brutal choking of Wisconsin QB Jim Sorgi.

For reference, Jan 18, 2001 is when Tressell was hired. Thats 19 Buckeye players in just less than 4 seasons of play in trouble with the law under Jim Tressell's reign. Parents gotta love the fact that Jim Tressell's players get into trouble with the law almost at the same rate as his players graduate.

We can at another time delve into the chronicles of Maurice Clarett, whose story epitomizes all that is wrong with dOSU. Tales of academic fraud. Favoritism. Hundred dollar handshakes. Abandonment when things get hard and when value diminishes. Clarett's sad journey from beloved freshman star of the National Championship game to utter pariah and finally to institutionalized prisoner is a dark one, and one that cannot be fully given justice here -- read the ESPN chronicles for a deeper look into the real face of dOSU.

But, I digress. The point is that this is an incomplete list, simply because keeping up with the infractions at dOSU is too much for anyone. We gave up on updating this list, so please forgive us for not being able to keep this outrageous pace. Chances are by the time you've read this, yet another Buckeye player has gotten into trouble with the law.


The Members from 2001-2004:

December 21, 2004: Albert Dukes, a freshman WR was arrested 12/21 in Palm Beach County, FL for felonious lewd and lascivious battery involving a 13 year old girl.

October 23, 2004: Lydell Ross is arrested at Pure Platinum gentlemen's club on Bethel Road in Columbus for attempting to pass fake money to a 24-year-old woman at the club. Ross was suspended for two games and the charges were later dropped.

June 7, 2004: Ohio State University police arrested tight end Louis Irizarry and charged him with Criminal Trespassing at Neil and Tuttle Park Place.

May 17, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is arrested again for underaged drinking. This time, it was by Perkins Township police near Sandusky, Oh.

May 5, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is charged with underage drinking. The all-state punter was cited after the Spring Game along East 15th Avenue near campus, authorities said.

May 1, 2004: Sophomore backups Louis Irizarry and Ira Guilford are arrested and charged with robbery after a student is assaulted and his wallet is stolen at 3 a.m. They are held in Franklin County jail through the weekend. Both plead innocent to the robbery charge, with Guilford released after paying a $25,000 bond. Irizarry is held pending a hearing to determine if he had violated his probation from an earlier assault conviction.

April 29, 2004: Ohio State fullback Branden Joe was cited for an alleged misdemeanor open container violation, according to Columbus police.

Nov. 16, 2003: At 3 a.m. after a win over Purdue and six days before the Michigan game, wide receiver Santonio Holmes and quarterback Troy Smith are charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a fight in a parking lot on campus. A window in a car is kicked out and one woman reported her jaw was broken. Holmes is held out of the starting lineup at Michigan but returns to play most of the game. Holmes also started in the Buckeyes' Fiesta Bowl game. He pleads innocent to the disorderly conduct after the team returns to Columbus. The disorderly conduct charge is dismissed against Holmes on March 30, 2004. Smith is found guilty of the charge.

Oct. 27, 2003: Louis Irizarry is charged with three counts of first-degree misdemeanor assault after three people sustain minor injuries during a fight in a Park Hall dorm room. Irizarry is suspended two days later. He is found guilty of one charge each of assault, negligent assault and disorderly conduct and pays $404 court costs and is put on probation. He is later reinstated to the team and is listed as the second-team tight end on the 2004 spring depth chart before he is suspended indefinitely after the May 1, 2004, arrest.

June 2003: Sophomore tight end Redgie Arden of Ohio State pleaded innocent Monday to his second drunken driving charge in 15 months. Arden, 21, was arrested at 5:54 a.m. Sunday on a charge of operating a motor vehicle under the influence, the Ironton Police Department said. In March 2002, Arden pleaded guilty to a drunken driving charge in Ironton. He was sentenced to three days in jail and fined.

April 2003: Running back Maurice Clarett reports that a car he has borrowed from a local used-car dealer was broken into and thousands of dollars in cash, CDs, stereo equipment and clothing was stolen. The car was in the parking lot at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center and Clarett calls police from a telephone in Tressell's office. Clarett was later charged with lying to police about the value of the stolen items and is charged with misdemeanor falsification of the police report on the theft. Clarett pleads guilty on Jan. 14, 2004, to the reduced charge of failure to aid a law enforcement officer. He is ordered to pay the maximum fine of $100 and serves no jail time.

Oct. 13, 2002: Linebacker Fred Pagac Jr. is charged with persistent disorderly conduct. Pagac was arrested at 3:45 a.m. after police said he was intoxicated and had a role in a fight involving two women outside a campus-area bar about 12 hours after the Buckeyes' homecoming victory over San Jose State. The police report said an officer told Pagac to stop but he continued to fight. Pagac was suspended for the team's next game at Wisconsin. Pagac pleaded innocent. In December, before the team's national championship game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl, Pagac was acquitted in a jury trial.

Aug. 17, 2002: Defensive lineman Quinn Pitcock is charged with underage drinking in his hometown of Piqua. Despite fleeing from police, and possessing Buckeye football speed, he is chased down by the Piqua cops and puts up a brief struggle, but is not charged with resisting arrest. He is suspended from the team for the three weeks of preseason workouts, then worked out with the team and is not held out of any games. He pleaded no contest to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct.

Aug. 24, 2002: Flanker Chris Vance, the Buckeyes' second-leading receiver from 2001, is suspended from the team before the season opener for what Tressel called a violation of team policy. Vance was with the team on the sidelines but did not play against Texas Tech. He rejoined the team for practice the following week but did not play in the second game against Kent State. Athletic director Andy Geiger later said Vance's unspecified violation took place the previous winter. Vance returned for the third game.

July 29, 2002: Wide receiver Angelo Chattams is investigated for the alleged theft of a set of golf clubs from a sport utility vehicle in West Carrollton. Prosecutors approve but do not file a theft charge, permitting Chattams to enroll in a program for nonviolent, first-time offenders and avoid a charge. He was excused from the team to deal with the legal matter, then reinstated and played in the season-opener. He does not play again for the Buckeyes.

July 26, 2002: Police find Branden Joe, a sophomore fullback, asleep in a car on a highway ramp near campus. The police report says he refused to take a Breathalyzer test. He was suspended for the three weeks of preseason camp and the team's season opener against Texas Tech, then returns to the team although his playing time is limited by injuries.

April 27, 2002: Linebacker Marco Cooper is arrested hours after the Buckeyes' annual intrasquad scrimmage and charged with felony drug abuse and carrying a concealed weapon in his sports-utility vehicle. Cooper pleads guilty to two charges in November and is put on probation.

March 2, 2002: Tight end Redgie Arden is arrested on a charge of drunken driving in his hometown of Ironton. The redshirt freshman is found guilty and is sentenced to three days in jail and fined. Suspended indefinitely from the team, he does not participate in summer workouts before the 2002 season but is reinstated before the start of the 2002 season and played in 11 games.

Nov. 15, 2001: Quarterback Steve Bellisari is arrested two days before the Illinois game for drunken driving. Tressell suspends the Buckeyes' three-year starter indefinitely and then reinstates him to the team three days later. A senior, he practiced with the team for the Michigan game but did not play, then came off the bench to play most of the team's Outback Bowl loss to South Carolina. He later served a weekend in jail.


March 21, 2001: Cornerback Derek Ross is arrested on charges of driving without a license and providing false information to police, giving an incorrect name when pulled over for speeding. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He is suspended from Ohio State's 2001 spring practices, then played most of the 2001 season, leading the Big Ten in interceptions and earning second-team all-conference honors. Left team to make himself available for the NFL draft a year early.

Thanks ECat. Shared the list on Facebook with my mostly Montana friends, who generally don't follow Big 10 football. Their focus is on the fortunes of Montana State University and the University of Montana, so I hope this gives them a broader perspective on what a truly corrupt football program is.
 

EvanstonCat

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Thanks ECat. Shared the list on Facebook with my mostly Montana friends, who generally don't follow Big 10 football. Their focus is on the fortunes of Montana State University and the University of Montana, so I hope this gives them a broader perspective on what a truly corrupt football program is.

Thanks MontanaCat. You're a good Cat, and you do the people of Montana a great service. Everyone should know what dOSU is all about. Your evangelism is appreciated.
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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eh, my second favorite team after the Cats !! Let's take tOSU to the cleaners in the B1G CCG.

.02 and, Go Cats !!
Agree, when they are playing Mich, or Pedophile State. Or Illinois. Or MSU (short for Michigan Sex Criminal U). Although Ohio "harboring a violent felon coach" State is absolutely not a beacon of integrity, not to mention the ECat stuff above

BTW, I think the two things that will bring down CFB are concussions and unpunished sex crimes
 

nobuck

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Buckeye Dishonorable Mentions

Note that the above list does NOT include other incidents that have happened while on Tressell's watch, which include:

May, 2003: Chris Gamble and 9 other players are ruled ineligible by the university for signing autographs at a health care group's convention. The players were paid an hourly salary for working at a booth operated by a central Ohio health care company at the Ohio Health Care Association's convention May 5-8 in Columbus.

October 11, 2003: Robert Reynolds chokes Wisconsin QB, Jim Sorgi, knocking him out of the Badgers' 17-10 win over the Buckeyes. The act was so violent, that Sorgi clearly could have pressed charges for felony assault, but alas Reynolds's act fails to join the Hall of Shame by the refusal of the victim to press charges.

Fall 2003: NCAA investigates Ohio State players for possible academic ineligibility. Maurice Clarett is the focus of the investigation. Chris Gamble's name was mentioned, but either nothing was found against him or the entire investigation was turned against Maurice when a teacher admitted that Clarett got preferential treatment. She was then was later fired by the university. Clarett was guilty of 14 violations of the ethical-conduct bylaw and two violations of receiving preferential treatment or benefits because he is an athlete. Clarett was suspended for the entire 2003 season.

Fall 2004: Maurice Clarett blows the whistle on dOSU. ESPN does an excellent series of articles exposing the dark undercurrents and cheating of the Ohio State football machine, citing cases from a number of ex-Buckeye players, both those who were rode off the team after they were seen not to merit a scholarship for their play as well as a corroborations of a number of successful Buckeye players who were drafted and played in the NFL and had no reason to lie. Travesties included putting players like Sam "the Bull" Maldonaldo on a Mickey Mouse course curriculum, and then dropping all academic "assistance," after they fell out of favor with the coaches. Abandoned players found later that they couldn't transfer Ohio State earned credits, because they did not stand up to academic standards for other schools in and outside of Division I. Others discuss hundred dollar handshakes, and receiving money, cars, and gifts from boosters for performing in games. Others talked about "tutors" who would write papers for players and take tests for them.


And you people wonder why I hate dOSU. I hate criminals (yes, stpaulcat, they are criminals) and I hate cheats. And I hate institutions that celebrate and cultivate them. And so should you.

Haha...I hope that this giant run on sentence is not the product of a NW education...And, you may want to get a tetanus shot tout de suite....

I notice the subsequent shame lists seem to get as thin as Fitz's hair after 2004..Oops...

Speaking on behalf of The Ohio State University:

1) Love your University and our experiences at Ryan Field have been enjoyable..Great environment..
2) We have the utmost respect for Pat...Solid citizen and a great leader of young men..Congrats on COY..
3) We respect the 2018 edition of the NW Wildcats...Smart, disciplined team who are more than capable of beating us...Now, if that happens, it would only be the second time since the Munich Olympics..

Good luck in the future...
 
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Note that the above list does NOT include other incidents that have happened while on Tressell's watch, which include:

May, 2003: Chris Gamble and 9 other players are ruled ineligible by the university for signing autographs at a health care group's convention. The players were paid an hourly salary for working at a booth operated by a central Ohio health care company at the Ohio Health Care Association's convention May 5-8 in Columbus.

October 11, 2003: Robert Reynolds chokes Wisconsin QB, Jim Sorgi, knocking him out of the Badgers' 17-10 win over the Buckeyes. The act was so violent, that Sorgi clearly could have pressed charges for felony assault, but alas Reynolds's act fails to join the Hall of Shame by the refusal of the victim to press charges.

Fall 2003: NCAA investigates Ohio State players for possible academic ineligibility. Maurice Clarett is the focus of the investigation. Chris Gamble's name was mentioned, but either nothing was found against him or the entire investigation was turned against Maurice when a teacher admitted that Clarett got preferential treatment. She was then was later fired by the university. Clarett was guilty of 14 violations of the ethical-conduct bylaw and two violations of receiving preferential treatment or benefits because he is an athlete. Clarett was suspended for the entire 2003 season.

Fall 2004: Maurice Clarett blows the whistle on dOSU. ESPN does an excellent series of articles exposing the dark undercurrents and cheating of the Ohio State football machine, citing cases from a number of ex-Buckeye players, both those who were rode off the team after they were seen not to merit a scholarship for their play as well as a corroborations of a number of successful Buckeye players who were drafted and played in the NFL and had no reason to lie. Travesties included putting players like Sam "the Bull" Maldonaldo on a Mickey Mouse course curriculum, and then dropping all academic "assistance," after they fell out of favor with the coaches. Abandoned players found later that they couldn't transfer Ohio State earned credits, because they did not stand up to academic standards for other schools in and outside of Division I. Others discuss hundred dollar handshakes, and receiving money, cars, and gifts from boosters for performing in games. Others talked about "tutors" who would write papers for players and take tests for them.


And you people wonder why I hate dOSU. I hate criminals (yes, stpaulcat, they are criminals) and I hate cheats. And I hate institutions that celebrate and cultivate them. And so should you.


Dude get a life - and try to educate yourself. Ohio State Football APR sits at #21 out of 129 universities across the nation. (link below).

Congratulations, NW sits at #1 just ahead of MY alma mater, The US Air Force Academy. But there's a lot more that goes into being an AFA cadet/athlete/graduate than there is just going to class at NW - so we'll let that one slide.

It sounds to me like you've been jilted by an OSU coed - or five - in your past. It's ok to let go. Besides they probably weren't very good looking but were still out of your league.

2018 NCAA Academic Progress Rate: Football APR Rankingshttps://collegefootballnews.com/.../2018-ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-apr-ran...

And of course we all know no NW athletes get in trouble - ever.

2 NU athletes charged with disorderly conduct - The Daily Northwesternhttps://dailynorthwestern.com/2003/.../2-nu-athletes-charged-with-disorderly-conduct/

Police: Northwestern football player arrested for cocaine possession ...https://www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-evr-evanston-northwestern-football-player-coca...

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Ex-Northwestern Players Charged in Point ...https://www.nytimes.com/.../college-basketball-ex-northwestern-players-charged-in-poin...

COLLEGE FOOTBALL; 4 Are Indicted in Northwestern Football Scandalhttps://www.nytimes.com/.../college-football-4-are-indicted-in-northwestern-football-sca...
 
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Congratulations, NW sits at #1 just ahead of MY alma mater, The US Air Force Academy. But there's a lot more that goes into being an AFA cadet/athlete/graduate than there is just going to class at NW - so we'll let that one slide.
 
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Dude get a life - and try to educate yourself. Ohio State Football APR sits at #21 out of 129 universities across the nation. (link below).

Congratulations, NW sits at #1 just ahead of MY alma mater, The US Air Force Academy. But there's a lot more that goes into being an AFA cadet/athlete/graduate than there is just going to class at NW - so we'll let that one slide.

It sounds to me like you've been jilted by an OSU coed - or five - in your past. It's ok to let go. Besides they probably weren't very good looking but were still out of your league.

2018 NCAA Academic Progress Rate: Football APR Rankingshttps://collegefootballnews.com/.../2018-ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-apr-ran...

And of course we all know no NW athletes get in trouble - ever.

2 NU athletes charged with disorderly conduct - The Daily Northwesternhttps://dailynorthwestern.com/2003/.../2-nu-athletes-charged-with-disorderly-conduct/

Police: Northwestern football player arrested for cocaine possession ...https://www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-evr-evanston-northwestern-football-player-coca...

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Ex-Northwestern Players Charged in Point ...https://www.nytimes.com/.../college-basketball-ex-northwestern-players-charged-in-poin...

COLLEGE FOOTBALL; 4 Are Indicted in Northwestern Football Scandalhttps://www.nytimes.com/.../college-football-4-are-indicted-in-northwestern-football-sca...

You're seriously comparing NU to Ohio State on shady recruiting tactics and scandals? Think you lose that one, bud. As for the Air Force Academy, I seem to remember them having a couple of problems out there with religion, female cadets etc.
 

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You're seriously comparing NU to Ohio State on shady recruiting tactics and scandals? Think you lose that one, bud. As for the Air Force Academy, I seem to remember them having a couple of problems out there with religion, female cadets etc.

NW doesn’t recruit dirty, but it’s well known the team is one of the dirtiest on the field squads in the nation. Look at the scores of OSU games under Tressel. He did his best to not pour it on anyone in the BIG, with one exception. Tress used to love to hang 50 on the Cats. He thought the dirty play was shameful and justly hammered the nail that was NW. Good luck
 
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NW doesn’t recruit dirty, but it’s well known the team is one of the dirtiest on the field squads in the nation. Look at the scores of OSU games under Tressel. He did his best to not pour it on anyone in the BIG, with one exception. Tress used to love to hang 50 on the Cats. He thought the dirty play was shameful and justly hammered the nail that was NW. Good luck
Huh. That's a new one.
 

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Did you hear about the underage recruit that got into a fight with an SEC football player at fraternity party while drinking? Still signed.

Same guy got charged for multiple counts of battery, using fake ID, disorderly conduct and punched a police officer after his freshman year. Didn't get kicked off team!

Same guy then beat up a taxi driver and tried to rob him. They finally suspended him.

Not even a year later, he was going to be allowed to rejoin football team. While on campus, he got arrested AGAIN and assaulted two security officers.

The reason he wasn't in your Hall of Shame was because he didn't play for Ohio State. He played for Northwestern, so nobody gave a **** and it wasn't worthy of an ESPN headline.

I'm not going to trash him by printing his name because of mistakes he made in his teens, but I'm sure you likely know who he is since he was a contributor on the team.

I've always respected Northwestern and have family who attended. After reading your post though, I hope Meyer drops 85 on the Cats. Go Bucks!
 

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Did you hear about the underage recruit that got into a fight with an SEC football player at fraternity party while drinking? Still signed.

Same guy got charged for multiple counts of battery, using fake ID, disorderly conduct and punched a police officer after his freshman year. Didn't get kicked off team!

Same guy then beat up a taxi driver and tried to rob him. They finally suspended him.

Not even a year later, he was going to be allowed to rejoin football team. While on campus, he got arrested AGAIN and assaulted two security officers.

The reason he wasn't in your Hall of Shame was because he didn't play for Ohio State. He played for Northwestern, so nobody gave a **** and it wasn't worthy of an ESPN headline.

I'm not going to trash him by printing his name because of mistakes he made in his teens, but I'm sure you likely know who he is since he was a contributor on the team.

I've always respected Northwestern and have family who attended. After reading your post though, I hope Meyer drops 85 on the Cats. Go Bucks!

Gotcha. Great example from 16 years ago. And is that a point shaving reference from 21 years ago in another post?

Y'all are reaching. Not sure why you are fighting it - it's okay. You've got all your wins over the years to go home happy at night. It makes up for all the actions of your players, right? Ends justify the means?

And on behalf of Zack Smith's wife, I hope Meyer enjoys that special place in hell.
 
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Dude get a life - and try to educate yourself. Ohio State Football APR sits at #21 out of 129 universities across the nation. (link below).

Congratulations, NW sits at #1 just ahead of MY alma mater, The US Air Force Academy. But there's a lot more that goes into being an AFA cadet/athlete/graduate than there is just going to class at NW - so we'll let that one slide.

It sounds to me like you've been jilted by an OSU coed - or five - in your past. It's ok to let go. Besides they probably weren't very good looking but were still out of your league.

2018 NCAA Academic Progress Rate: Football APR Rankingshttps://collegefootballnews.com/.../2018-ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-apr-ran...

And of course we all know no NW athletes get in trouble - ever.

2 NU athletes charged with disorderly conduct - The Daily Northwesternhttps://dailynorthwestern.com/2003/.../2-nu-athletes-charged-with-disorderly-conduct/

Police: Northwestern football player arrested for cocaine possession ...https://www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-evr-evanston-northwestern-football-player-coca...

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Ex-Northwestern Players Charged in Point ...https://www.nytimes.com/.../college-basketball-ex-northwestern-players-charged-in-poin...

COLLEGE FOOTBALL; 4 Are Indicted in Northwestern Football Scandalhttps://www.nytimes.com/.../college-football-4-are-indicted-in-northwestern-football-sca...

Hmmm - 2003, 1998. Reaching, don't you think? You got one from the past 10 years, there are two (or three depending on your views) more. You seem to be bored, find 'em!
 

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NW doesn’t recruit dirty, but it’s well known the team is one of the dirtiest on the field squads in the nation. Look at the scores of OSU games under Tressel. He did his best to not pour it on anyone in the BIG, with one exception. Tress used to love to hang 50 on the Cats. He thought the dirty play was shameful and justly hammered the nail that was NW. Good luck

Yep - nothing to do with how bad our teams were those two years. Congrats on this HOT TAKE!

Now, if he was around when O'Dwyer was around, well, different story...
 

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Gotcha. Great example from 16 years ago. And is that a point shaving reference from 21 years ago in another post?

Y'all are reaching. Not sure why you are fighting it - it's okay. You've got all your wins over the years to go home happy at night. It makes up for all the actions of your players, right? Ends justify the means?

And on behalf of Zack Smith's wife, I hope Meyer enjoys that special place in hell.

LOL. The original post was about OSU's team from 2001-2004, and your going to gripe about me referencing a player from NW 16 years ago? Interesting take considering a Northwestern player was arrested for cocaine possession just last year.
 

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Huh. That's a new one.

Well, we did have a problem under Colby when we used to have our guys punch or grab dudes in the junk all the time. I think Doug Szymul was a particularly guilty party based on him appearing in multiple photos and videos. Opponent fans used to document it and it was difficult to refute the photographic evidence. It was also very difficult to condone and was another reason to get rid of Colby. That crap was put to an end when Hankwitz came aboard.

Now, Illinois is doing the same. I guess when you can't play any D, you have to resort to that sort of crap.
 
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Well, we did have a problem under Colby when we used to have our guys punch or grab dudes in the junk all the time. I think Doug Szymul was a particularly guilty party based on him appearing in multiple photos and videos. Opponent fans used to document it and it was difficult to refute the photographic evidence. It was also very difficult to condone and was another reason to get rid of Colby. That crap was put to an end when Hankwitz came aboard.

Now, Illinois is doing the same. I guess when you can't play any D, you have to resort to that sort of crap.
Sure, but OSU hung 50 on us twice in the Tressel years and if you look at the scores none of them seem "run up". Just doesn't seem to be a correlation there.
 

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