WHY is Antwane still granted use of the football facilities???? Make it make sense.

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Video circulating with him getting his hair cut in the football facility, talking about how Carolina folks are crazy.

This is purely unacceptable. Even if you’re support his decision, you can’t go on allowing the use of such facilities to guys who have quit the team.

Totally wild.
 

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Video circulating with him getting his hair cut in the football facility, talking about how Carolina folks are crazy.

This is purely unacceptable. Even if you’re support his decision, you can’t go on allowing the use of such facilities to guys who have quit the team.

Totally wild.
Bc he’s still on scholarship and the semester is not over yet.
 

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Regular students aren’t on athletic scholarships. And he could still pull his name out and say he wants to stay.

Oh brother. Like saying "Well, my wife is screwing another man, but I'm letting them use our bedroom because she might decide she wants to stay with me."

Our program/fan base is seriously lacking in having dignity.
 

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Yea, the second a player enters the portal they should then no longer be considered part of the program, and should immediately be considered a regular student. If a regular student couldn’t go in to get a haircut, he shouldn’t be allowed either.

More and more this kid seems like a head case and a locker room cancer. Definite addition by subtraction with this one.
 

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Yea, the second a player enters the portal they should then no longer be considered part of the program, and should immediately be considered a regular student. If a regular student couldn’t go in to get a haircut, he shouldn’t be allowed either.

More and more this kid seems like a head case and a locker room cancer. Definite addition by subtraction with this one.

Spot on. How in the world can you possibly have a player using your facilities while he's actively engaging with other schools about transferring there. Schools, who you may very well play next season on top of that.

This is just mind boggling and baffling to me. I hope it's just an oversight on someone's part and his continued access to the facility just slipped through the cracks.
 

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Oh brother. Like saying "Well, my wife is screwing another man, but I'm letting them use our bedroom because she might decide she wants to stay with me."

Our program/fan base is seriously lacking in having dignity.
Haha. You guys are taking this waaaay too seriously.
 
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You have to strain at missing the obvious in order to think it makes any sense at all for him to still be using our facilities.
Hale over on TOS says he believes it’s a NCAA type deal. So unless you guys just think we should just go ahead and kick kids out of school for going into the portal, it’s likely a moot point that Beamer has no control over.
 

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Hale over on TOS says he believes it’s a NCAA type deal. So unless you guys just think we should just go ahead and kick kids out of school for going into the portal, it’s likely a moot point that Beamer has no control over.
Agreed. They are still in school and still on a football scholarship. Maybe we should stop feeding them if they go in the portal? Make them live on the streets?
 
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Hale over on TOS says he believes it’s a NCAA type deal. So unless you guys just think we should just go ahead and kick kids out of school for going into the portal, it’s likely a moot point that Beamer has no control over.

On what level do you equate "you're no longer on the team so you can't use the team facilities" to "we're kicking you out of school"?
 

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Agreed. They are still in school and still on a football scholarship. Maybe we should stop feeding them if they go in the portal? Make them live on the streets?

They are still in school, and still on a scholarship (they have to finish up the semester to be eligible elsewhere) - however, they are specifically no longer members of the football program. You can't contact members of another program per NCAA rules. Once in the portal, the players aren't a part of any program.
 

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They are still in school, and still on a scholarship (they have to finish up the semester to be eligible elsewhere) - however, they are specifically no longer members of the football program.
There have been players in the portal that have played in bowl games. From my understanding, it's up to the coaches if they continue to be a part of the football program. Maybe the rules have recently changed?
 

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Hey, since Antwane is still such a valuable member of this team, maybe he can be our goodwill ambassador for Rocket Sanders' visit this weekend.

He's still got access to all the football facilities, so it should work well.

Our fan base has been so beaten down by 130 years of mediocrity many have forsaken our dignity altogether. "Maybe he'll change his mind and decide he still wants to be my friend!"
 
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Hale over on TOS says he believes it’s a NCAA type deal. So unless you guys just think we should just go ahead and kick kids out of school for going into the portal, it’s likely a moot point that Beamer has no control over.

Could be a NCAA type deal, some sort of regulation.

Could be Beamer's approach, to not over react like some on here would if they were in his position.

When Beamer was asked that question by Mike Uva about a player going to the portal and then coming back, his answer was very diplomatic along the lines of each situation is different and each will be analyzed on a individual basis.

I could see Beamer allowing it, if you don't want to totally separate or disengage from the player, it keeps him in your facility which allows more chances to check in, see how things are going, get some inside information, recruit them if you choose to, while they are in the portal, update them if their is a change in our NIL offer, etc.

Makes sense to me from a business standpoint, now if a player is bad mouthing the program and harming existing relations, then I could see where you ask them to stop coming or remove privileges' etc. Treat each situation individually.
 

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I think possibly new rules need to be made for the future for our players. Once you enter the portal…you are no longer on the team. You are welcome to return to the facilities…if you decide to return to the program. Or…once you enter the portal…you are no longer allowed to film from the athletic facilities. Something that would not allow such unethical postings like Juice is doing. Certainly we would not kick them out of school.
 
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haha, ok. I guess I shouldn't be shocked at the total lack of dignity and self-respect from a fan base and program that has been mired in mediocrity for 130 years.
Lack of dignity? You funny. I don't make the rules. Bitching and moaning by know it all fans like yourself is certainly not contributing to incremental wins.

Lack of dignity is claiming the basketball season is over because we are down in our first preseason game.
 
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haha, ok. I guess I shouldn't be shocked at the total lack of dignity and self-respect from a fan base and program that has been mired in mediocrity for 130 years.
Are you saying top programs restrict access, to the football building after players enter the portal? Does Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State? And we are doing something different then they are? Is that your position?

I just researched and cant find any evidence they are doing anything different then South Carolina, do you have some evidence that South Carolina's approach is different then top programs?
 
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From my research, I did find interesting article on what happens from the interaction of a player and the school once they enter the transfer portal

Hard to imagine if a school immediately revoked all rights of the player for the facilities, once they entered the portal, there would not be articles or tweets all over the place about it from players who experienced it, and complained, and people trying to slant that fact negatively against the schools, given this recruiting environment.

This article says access is up to the school and not a NCAA rule but in teh case UNLV basketball continues to offer, and I bet this is the common practice

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/may/06/how-does-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-work/

How does the NCAA transfer portal work?​

Eight of UNLV’s 11 returning scholarship players have entered the portal this offseason​

UNLV VS UNR BB1

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UNLV forward Cheikh Mbacke Diong (34) chats with Joel Ntambwe (24) prior to the start of a game against UNR at Thomas & Mack Center Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2019.
By Mike Grimala (contact)
Monday, May 6, 2019 | 2 a.m.
The busiest place for basketball news this offseason has been, without a doubt, the NCAA transfer portal. It seems as though players are entering and exiting the portal on a daily basis, and UNLV has been no exception — eight of the Rebels’ returning scholarship players have put their names in the portal since the end of the season and five are still in the portal.

So what exactly is the transfer portal? And how does it work? Here are the key details on how players use to portal to initiate the transfer process:
What is the NCAA transfer portal?
In technical terms, the portal is a website that acts as a centralized database for players who are interested in transferring. The website is not public; coaches and administrators for NCAA schools have access. Once a player enters his name into the portal it becomes viewable by coaches from every other school.
For coaches nationwide, the portal has become a one-stop destination to search for available players; for the players, the portal is a convenient way to solicit recruiting inquiries and generally explore their options.

How does a player enter the portal?
If a player wants to explore a transfer, he will provide written notification to his university’s designated administrator. That administrator will then gather the player’s pertinent information (email address, phone number, etc.) and enter it into the portal website. At UNLV, Eric Nepomuceno, senior associate athletics director for compliance, along with his staff, oversee that process.

Does a player have to inform his coach of his intent to enter the portal?
No. Once a player decides to enter the portal he can bypass his coach and give his written notification directly to the compliance admin. That’s a departure from the old system, in which players would have to request permission from the coach to be released from their scholarships. The coach would also have to grant permission for the players to begin a dialogue with other schools.

Can a player enter the portal and then decide to remain at his current school?
Yes. Several UNLV players have done this, including Amauri Hardy, Bryce Hamilton, Cheickna Dembele and Nick Blair. In the Rebels’ case, the players decided to enter the portal after head coach Marvin Menzies was fired in March. After fielding correspondence from other schools and meeting with new coach T.J. Otzelberger, they decided to remove their names from the portal and stay at UNLV.
At the same time, UNLV was not under any obligation to honor their scholarships and accept them back…

What happens to a player’s current scholarship when he enters the portal?
The risk for athletes entering the transfer portal is that their scholarship at their current school is no longer guaranteed. Once a player is officially in the portal his scholarship can be rescinded and offered to another incoming student-athlete.
The decision to continue honoring a scholarship is up to the school and can be decided on a case-by-case basis. At most universities, the head coach and/or athletic director would make that call. Nepomuceno said UNLV has not pulled scholarships from any of its players who entered the portal.

Are athletes in the portal still part of the team?
At UNLV, players in the portal still retain access to core student-athlete amenities such as medical treatment and academic services (tutors, advisors, etc.). Players are encouraged to keep up their studies and maintain their course work during the transfer process.
Sport-specific privileges, such as locker-room access, weight-room access and equipment/apparel are not guaranteed, however. The coach and/or athletic director decide whether to continue offering those “elective services” on a case-by-case basis; Nepomuceno said UNLV has continued to offer those services to its players in the portal.
“Whether it’s academics, whether it’s sports medicine, we’re not taking that away from them,” Nepomuceno said. “But should a coach say, ‘I don’t want you in the gym, I don’t want you to use the locker room, you can’t be here when we’re practicing,’ that’s fair game. Have we had to implement that? No. But within our policy it does give us the discretion.”

Are there any deadlines during the portal process?
No. The only “deadlines” that may arise are normal enrollment periods and other eligibility guidelines that apply to all student-athletes. Players can enter or remove their names from the portal at any time.

How does recruitment work for players in the portal?
Once a player enters the portal, his transfer profile can be viewed by coaches from every school. Schools are then allowed to contact the player in order to gauge interest and set up visits. But if a player has an idea of where he wants to go and wishes to narrow his options he can place a “Do not contact” designation on his profile, which bars schools from contacting him first. The player can then reach out to schools of his choosing.

How does the transfer portal apply to incoming freshmen?
High-school players who have signed a National Letter of Intent but have not yet enrolled at the university are not subject to the transfer portal. If those players wish to de-commit, they must request an NLI release through the school. UNLV signees Ethan Anderson and Josh Pierre-Louis both requested and were granted their release from NLI’s after Menzies was fired; athletic director Desiree Reed-Francois made the decision to release them.

Is the transfer portal here to stay?
Though it has been in place for less than a year, the portal has quickly become the new norm. Since its debut, the portal has become the central hub for football and basketball players with intentions to transfer.
The landscape has changed, and the portal appears to be working for players and coaches alike.
“I think we should have had a centralized tracking system for a long time,” Nepomuceno said. “I think what the student-athletes care about is the fact now that they have the right to essentially transfer at will. Under the old rule they were asking a coach, ‘Hey, can I have permission to contact [other schools]?’ The new rule is, they’re telling a coach, ‘I’m leaving, I’m transferring.’ I think what they really do like is the fact that they can now have the control in that situation.”
 
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Are you saying top programs restrict access, to the football building after players enter the portal? Does Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State? And we are doing something different then they are? Is that your position?

I just researched and cant find any evidence they are doing anything different then South Carolina, do you have some evidence that South Carolina's approach is different then top programs?
He is just making his daily knee jerk posts.
 

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On what level do you equate "you're no longer on the team so you can't use the team facilities" to "we're kicking you out of school"?
Well, our scholarships are guaranteed. Beamer would probably be on an island if he wanted to revoke scholarships for guys that enter the portal. Not even sure he’d have that power to be honest.
 

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Well, our scholarships are guaranteed. Beamer would probably be on an island if he wanted to revoke scholarships for guys that enter the portal. Not even sure he’d have that power to be honest.

Also, if top schools were revoking access to the football building and perks like a haircut once a player entered the portal, I believe there would be tweets all over the place of complaints about that school from disgruntled former players. It would not be hard to identify which schools are doing this.

I don't think Beamer is doing anything different then top schools, so I don't understand how to correlate us doing something the same as top schools as being a reason we are mediocre as some have strongly suggested.
 

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Are you saying top programs restrict access, to the football building after players enter the portal? Does Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State? And we are doing something different then they are? Is that your position?

I just researched and cant find any evidence they are doing anything different then South Carolina, do you have some evidence that South Carolina's approach is different then top programs?
If they are opening their legs to these guys once they have essentially estranged themselves, then they're ALL doing wrong.
 
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From my research, I did find interesting article on what happens from the interaction of a player and the school once they enter the transfer portal

Hard to imagine if a school immediately revoked all rights of the player for the facilities, once they entered the portal, there would not be articles or tweets all over the place about it from players who experienced it, and complained, and people trying to slant that fact negatively against the schools, given this recruiting environment.

This article says access is up to the school and not a NCAA rule but in teh case UNLV basketball continues to offer, and I bet this is the common practice

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/may/06/how-does-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-work/

How does the NCAA transfer portal work?​

Eight of UNLV’s 11 returning scholarship players have entered the portal this offseason​

UNLV VS UNR BB1

WADE VANDERVORT
UNLV forward Cheikh Mbacke Diong (34) chats with Joel Ntambwe (24) prior to the start of a game against UNR at Thomas & Mack Center Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2019.
By Mike Grimala (contact)
Monday, May 6, 2019 | 2 a.m.
The busiest place for basketball news this offseason has been, without a doubt, the NCAA transfer portal. It seems as though players are entering and exiting the portal on a daily basis, and UNLV has been no exception — eight of the Rebels’ returning scholarship players have put their names in the portal since the end of the season and five are still in the portal.

So what exactly is the transfer portal? And how does it work? Here are the key details on how players use to portal to initiate the transfer process:
What is the NCAA transfer portal?
In technical terms, the portal is a website that acts as a centralized database for players who are interested in transferring. The website is not public; coaches and administrators for NCAA schools have access. Once a player enters his name into the portal it becomes viewable by coaches from every other school.
For coaches nationwide, the portal has become a one-stop destination to search for available players; for the players, the portal is a convenient way to solicit recruiting inquiries and generally explore their options.

How does a player enter the portal?
If a player wants to explore a transfer, he will provide written notification to his university’s designated administrator. That administrator will then gather the player’s pertinent information (email address, phone number, etc.) and enter it into the portal website. At UNLV, Eric Nepomuceno, senior associate athletics director for compliance, along with his staff, oversee that process.

Does a player have to inform his coach of his intent to enter the portal?
No. Once a player decides to enter the portal he can bypass his coach and give his written notification directly to the compliance admin. That’s a departure from the old system, in which players would have to request permission from the coach to be released from their scholarships. The coach would also have to grant permission for the players to begin a dialogue with other schools.

Can a player enter the portal and then decide to remain at his current school?
Yes. Several UNLV players have done this, including Amauri Hardy, Bryce Hamilton, Cheickna Dembele and Nick Blair. In the Rebels’ case, the players decided to enter the portal after head coach Marvin Menzies was fired in March. After fielding correspondence from other schools and meeting with new coach T.J. Otzelberger, they decided to remove their names from the portal and stay at UNLV.
At the same time, UNLV was not under any obligation to honor their scholarships and accept them back…

What happens to a player’s current scholarship when he enters the portal?
The risk for athletes entering the transfer portal is that their scholarship at their current school is no longer guaranteed. Once a player is officially in the portal his scholarship can be rescinded and offered to another incoming student-athlete.
The decision to continue honoring a scholarship is up to the school and can be decided on a case-by-case basis. At most universities, the head coach and/or athletic director would make that call. Nepomuceno said UNLV has not pulled scholarships from any of its players who entered the portal.

Are athletes in the portal still part of the team?
At UNLV, players in the portal still retain access to core student-athlete amenities such as medical treatment and academic services (tutors, advisors, etc.). Players are encouraged to keep up their studies and maintain their course work during the transfer process.
Sport-specific privileges, such as locker-room access, weight-room access and equipment/apparel are not guaranteed, however. The coach and/or athletic director decide whether to continue offering those “elective services” on a case-by-case basis; Nepomuceno said UNLV has continued to offer those services to its players in the portal.
“Whether it’s academics, whether it’s sports medicine, we’re not taking that away from them,” Nepomuceno said. “But should a coach say, ‘I don’t want you in the gym, I don’t want you to use the locker room, you can’t be here when we’re practicing,’ that’s fair game. Have we had to implement that? No. But within our policy it does give us the discretion.”

Are there any deadlines during the portal process?
No. The only “deadlines” that may arise are normal enrollment periods and other eligibility guidelines that apply to all student-athletes. Players can enter or remove their names from the portal at any time.

How does recruitment work for players in the portal?
Once a player enters the portal, his transfer profile can be viewed by coaches from every school. Schools are then allowed to contact the player in order to gauge interest and set up visits. But if a player has an idea of where he wants to go and wishes to narrow his options he can place a “Do not contact” designation on his profile, which bars schools from contacting him first. The player can then reach out to schools of his choosing.

How does the transfer portal apply to incoming freshmen?
High-school players who have signed a National Letter of Intent but have not yet enrolled at the university are not subject to the transfer portal. If those players wish to de-commit, they must request an NLI release through the school. UNLV signees Ethan Anderson and Josh Pierre-Louis both requested and were granted their release from NLI’s after Menzies was fired; athletic director Desiree Reed-Francois made the decision to release them.

Is the transfer portal here to stay?
Though it has been in place for less than a year, the portal has quickly become the new norm. Since its debut, the portal has become the central hub for football and basketball players with intentions to transfer.
The landscape has changed, and the portal appears to be working for players and coaches alike.
“I think we should have had a centralized tracking system for a long time,” Nepomuceno said. “I think what the student-athletes care about is the fact now that they have the right to essentially transfer at will. Under the old rule they were asking a coach, ‘Hey, can I have permission to contact [other schools]?’ The new rule is, they’re telling a coach, ‘I’m leaving, I’m transferring.’ I think what they really do like is the fact that they can now have the control in that situation.”
So, not a rule, so keep the core scholarship and medical commitments and retract the rest. This man is making a monkey out of our program and its fans.
 
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