Why is NU 24th in ESPN BPI?

freewillie07

Sophomore
Aug 22, 2017
5,240
100
33
Apologies if this was already discussed and I missed it. I was just scanning the schedule and looking at win probabilities and saw the BPI. Seems weird to have NU as third in the Big Ten.
 

NUCat320

Senior
Dec 4, 2005
19,469
495
0
Apologies if this was already discussed and I missed it. I was just scanning the schedule and looking at win probabilities and saw the BPI. Seems weird to have NU as third in the Big Ten.
Probably ESPN read about Pete Nance here.
 

rwhitney014

Sophomore
Dec 5, 2007
5,246
180
27
I'll say this: like the spread displaced the I-formation, positionless basketball appears to be the future. If it goes that way, concerns over "who's the lead guard" will seem quaint by the time these freshmen are seniors.

Whether this batch of players has the requisite abilities to make it work remains to be seen. But if Friday is any indication, we will be at less of a pure athleticism deficit relative to our opponents than we have been before. I still want to see better shotmaking ability than previous rosters under Collins, both at the line and from 3. But I think we're going to see more play above the rim, both on primary shots and on putbacks, because Nance/Turner/Gaines can get UP. Not to mention the seniors, whom we know can.
 

SmellyCat

Junior
May 29, 2001
7,290
340
83
I'd like to see a few of these guys break Pardon's unofficial NU record for dunks in a season. Hell, I'd like to see Pardon break it too.
 

NJCat

All-Conference
Mar 7, 2016
21,326
1,500
113
I'll say this: like the spread displaced the I-formation, positionless basketball appears to be the future. If it goes that way, concerns over "who's the lead guard" will seem quaint by the time these freshmen are seniors.

Whether this batch of players has the requisite abilities to make it work remains to be seen. But if Friday is any indication, we will be at less of a pure athleticism deficit relative to our opponents than we have been before. I still want to see better shotmaking ability than previous rosters under Collins, both at the line and from 3. But I think we're going to see more play above the rim, both on primary shots and on putbacks, because Nance/Turner/Gaines can get UP. Not to mention the seniors, whom we know can.
This.

Although I'd still like to see a Collins guard with the ability to break someone down off the dribble, go to the rack and slam it. Someone like Lathon.

[sigh]
 

scru

Redshirt
Sep 4, 2005
2,388
8
0
This.

Although I'd still like to see a Collins guard with the ability to break someone down off the dribble, go to the rack and slam it. Someone like Lathon.

[sigh]

This is what still concerns me. Against great defensive teams that really play aggressively tight, it helps to have a guy who can simply beat his man 1v1 off the dribble. Agree, Lathon, sigh.
 

BobbCat14

Redshirt
Aug 30, 2018
338
1
0
This.

Although I'd still like to see a Collins guard with the ability to break someone down off the dribble, go to the rack and slam it. Someone like Lathon.

[sigh]

This is a great point. Basically all sports are won from the inside-out. Basketball is no exception. Own the middle and you own the game.
 

Gladeskat

All-Conference
Feb 16, 2004
116,627
1,823
113
This is a great point. Basically all sports are won from the inside-out. Basketball is no exception. Own the middle and you own the game.

Basketball is definitely an exception. Own the 3-point line and you own the game. Just ask the GSW.
 

zeek55

Junior
Nov 21, 2010
3,651
275
83
Basketball is definitely an exception. Own the 3-point line and you own the game. Just ask the GSW.
Yeah these days basketball has warped into such a different game.

Look at a team like Houston: they've completely eliminated their long 2 point shots and just go for 3s or layups (which are in lanes opened up by spreading the floor).
 

ricko6543211

Junior
Nov 15, 2006
4,222
207
47
This is what still concerns me. Against great defensive teams that really play aggressively tight, it helps to have a guy who can simply beat his man 1v1 off the dribble. Agree, Lathon, sigh.
Yeah, and related, against any decent defensive team once B1G conference season starts and they stop calling every little hold or touch foul for “freedom of movement”. Then we can struggle on offense if the shots are not falling. At that point it would be helpful to have someone who can reliably create their own shot.
 

Katatonic

Sophomore
Oct 23, 2004
86,854
134
0
This.

Although I'd still like to see a Collins guard with the ability to break someone down off the dribble, go to the rack and slam it. Someone like Lathon.

[sigh]

While I've sighed about that as well, don't forget the other side of the ball.

Imagine also having a plus defender at the 1.

But think Buie is better than his star rating and from the sounds of it, Greer should develop into a pretty decent PG.