Why Virginia is a lock-in for a 1-seed

basedhoop

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If anything, Duke will be knocked off the 1-seed line. Duke has three losses, all in the double-digits, and two of these losses were to unranked teams. Duke won neither the regular season title nor the tournament title. Virginia has both a better conference record and overall record. Its three losses are to T20 teams. Since seeding began in 1979, there has never been an ACC team that didn't win either the conference regular season or tournament title that was then given a 1-seed. If any of the two ACC teams are knocked down from the 1-seed, it will be Duke.

There isn't a way to justify knocking Virginia down from a 1-seed, even if Wiscy wins their conference title. Virginia is playing basketball in undoubtedly the toughest conference in college basketball. Take a look at last night, where both favorites were knocked off. That is how unpredictable and competitive the ACC is. Virginia has wins at Maryland, at Notre Dame, at UNC, at Syracuse, at NC State, at VCU, and vs. Louisville. Duke got lucky in the last few minutes hitting threes down the stretch winning by only 6, and Virginia's losses at Louisville and UNC (which we can nearly consider a road game, since loss to UNC took place in Greensboro) came by no more than 4 points.

Furthermore, Wiscy lost to Rutgers, who was able to put up 67 points on them, and Virginia held Rutgers to 26 points. It doesn't even matter if Wiscy was missing one of its best players that game. If we want to talk about injuries, Virginia played without its best player Anderson for 8 straight games. What would happen if Duke lost Okafor, if UNC lost Paige, if ND lost Grant? Certainly you would expect them to drop a few. In its last two games, Virginia had Anderson playing a very limited number of minutes, and he was playing in both of these games just 7 and 8 days respectively after his appendectomy. Injury isn't a reason to justify Wiscy's loss to Rutgers for the purpose of seeding, since Virginia has seen injury all too well.

I still believe the 1-seeds will be as follows:
UKNovaVirginiaDuke


This post was edited on 3/14 1:56 PM by basedhoop
 

UKWildcats#8

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No one gives a **** about some goofy UVA fan trying to justify his overrated team as a 1 seed.
 

RAB86

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This post is completely worthless and if whisky wins hey will be a 1 seed.
 

Kmoney121

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Originally posted by basedhoop:
If anything, Duke will be knocked off the 1-seed line. Duke has three losses, all in the double-digits, and two of these losses were to unranked teams. Duke won neither the regular season title nor the tournament title. Virginia has both a better conference record and overall record. Its three losses are to T20 teams. Since seeding began in 1979, there has never been an ACC team that didn't win either the conference regular season or tournament title that was then given a 1-seed. If any of the two ACC teams are knocked down from the 1-seed, it will be Duke.

There isn't a way to justify knocking Virginia down from a 1-seed, even if Wiscy wins their conference title. Virginia is playing basketball in undoubtedly the toughest conference in college basketball. Take a look at last night, where both favorites were knocked off. That is how unpredictable and competitive the ACC is. Virginia has wins at Maryland, at Notre Dame, at UNC, at Syracuse, at NC State, at VCU, and vs. Louisville. Duke got lucky in the last few minutes hitting threes down the stretch winning by only 6, and Virginia's losses at Louisville and UNC (which we can nearly consider a road game, since loss to UNC took place in Greensboro) came by no more than 4 points.

Furthermore, Wiscy lost to Rutgers, who was able to put up 67 points on them, and Virginia held Rutgers to 26 points. It doesn't even matter if Wiscy was missing one of its best players that game. If we want to talk about injuries, Virginia played without its best player Anderson for 8 straight games. What would happen if Duke lost Okafor, if UNC lost Paige, if ND lost Grant? Certainly you would expect them to drop a few. In its last two games, Virginia had Anderson playing a very limited number of minutes, and he was playing in both of these games just 7 and 8 days respectively after his appendectomy. Injury isn't a reason to justify Wiscy's loss to Rutgers for the purpose of seeding, since Virginia has seen injury all too well.

I still believe the 1-seeds will be as follows:


UK
Nova
Virginia
Duke



This post was edited on 3/14 1:56 PM by basedhoop
Valid points, but Wisconsin played the Rutgers game without Kaminsky and Jackson. I agree its a bad loss, but they have played two months without their 2nd best player who will return for the tournament.
 

KYCAT78

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You need to prepare yourself for a 2 seed pal. Duke beat you and UW on your home court.
 
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I drive Uber part time here in Atlanta for some extra cash (really amping it up over the next few weeks for Final 4 money).

One of my final fares this early AM (around 3 AM) argued with me that Virginia was by far the best defensive team in the nation. That is laughable. And I just laughed at him.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by ukfan79:
I drive Uber part time here in Atlanta for some extra cash (really amping it up over the next few weeks for Final 4 money).

One of my final fares this early AM (around 3 AM) argued with me that Virginia was by far the best defensive team in the nation. That is laughable. And I just laughed at him.
It is comical. UK is better than UVA in every defensive stat pretty much other than points given up....and that is because UK does not play sissy stall ball on offense and thus limit the other team's offensive possessions.
 

Levibooty

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Doesn't Gonzaga, Wisky, AZ, and Villanova all have fewer losses than Duke and VA?
 

KingOfBBN

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Virginia is trash especially with a weakened Anderson. By no means, do they deserve a one seed especially with losses to the actual good teams they played.

The eye test makes it even easier. Virginia is not one of the four best teams and by no means is better than Wisconsin.

Kentucky
Wisconsin
Villanova
Duke

Duke is better than Virginia.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by Levibooty:

Doesn't Gonzaga, Wisky, AZ, and Villanova all have fewer losses than Duke and VA?
Yes to both, No to UVA and yes to Duke, No to UVA and yes to Duke, Yes to both.

That said, there is a lot more to it than who has the fewest losses. If that was the case Gonzaga would still be a 1 and no one with a brain thinks they are probably even a 2, but we have to give them one I guess.
 

JohnBlue

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Before everyone gets all giddy over Wisconsin there something you need to consider. 0. That is how many wins they have over a top 20 team this year. Think about that.
 

BlueFE

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I like when arguments are constructed with hypothetical situations. The moment anyone does that to make a case for their team, it should automatically be dismissed. UVA will be #2 if Wisc. and Arizona both win out. Duke has some bad losses, but they also have the better wins, including that win at UVA and at Wisc.

Also, the committee tends to judge a team based upon how they look going in. UVA has been shakey the last few weeks, and they did not help their cause. Get ready for a two by the Cavs name on Sunday.
 

Conn501

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Virginia just lost 2 of 3 and their best player is injured. I dont care if anderson is logging minutes, hes no more than a poor role player at this point due to injury. Its unfortunate, but the committee will and should see the big picture amd move UVA down. Barring a very fast recovery, anderson and UVA are a nonfactor in the ncaa tourney.
 

JackBauerRulz

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Originally posted by JohnBlue_:
Before everyone gets all giddy over Wisconsin there something you need to consider. 0. That is how many wins they have over a top 20 team this year. Think about that.
So does that mean that Duke is the only ranked team they have played all season? Or did they beat ranked teams when they played and now they are not ranked? Ohio St should have been ranked when they played just off top of my head.
 

KingOfBBN

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Originally posted by JohnBlue_:
Before everyone gets all giddy over Wisconsin there something you need to consider. 0. That is how many wins they have over a top 20 team this year. Think about that.
How many chances did they get to play one? No shame in losing to Duke at the beginning of the season. The eye test says it all. Outside of us, I think they're the second or third best team
 

Goingfor9

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Here the Bottomline their rpi is outside of the top 4 and their top player is going to be a liability. If you need more they played a light ACC schedule compared to duke. At this point unless Wisconsin loses UVA is a two seed
 

TigerPawsSC

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Originally posted by basedhoop:
If anything, Duke will be knocked off the 1-seed line. Duke has three losses, all in the double-digits, and two of these losses were to unranked teams. Duke won neither the regular season title nor the tournament title. Virginia has both a better conference record and overall record. Its three losses are to T20 teams. Since seeding began in 1979, there has never been an ACC team that didn't win either the conference regular season or tournament title that was then given a 1-seed. If any of the two ACC teams are knocked down from the 1-seed, it will be Duke.

There isn't a way to justify knocking Virginia down from a 1-seed, even if Wiscy wins their conference title. Virginia is playing basketball in undoubtedly the toughest conference in college basketball. Take a look at last night, where both favorites were knocked off. That is how unpredictable and competitive the ACC is. Virginia has wins at Maryland, at Notre Dame, at UNC, at Syracuse, at NC State, at VCU, and vs. Louisville. Duke got lucky in the last few minutes hitting threes down the stretch winning by only 6, and Virginia's losses at Louisville and UNC (which we can nearly consider a road game, since loss to UNC took place in Greensboro) came by no more than 4 points.

Furthermore, Wiscy lost to Rutgers, who was able to put up 67 points on them, and Virginia held Rutgers to 26 points. It doesn't even matter if Wiscy was missing one of its best players that game. If we want to talk about injuries, Virginia played without its best player Anderson for 8 straight games. What would happen if Duke lost Okafor, if UNC lost Paige, if ND lost Grant? Certainly you would expect them to drop a few. In its last two games, Virginia had Anderson playing a very limited number of minutes, and he was playing in both of these games just 7 and 8 days respectively after his appendectomy. Injury isn't a reason to justify Wiscy's loss to Rutgers for the purpose of seeding, since Virginia has seen injury all too well.

I still believe the 1-seeds will be as follows:
UKNovaVirginiaDuke


This post was edited on 3/14 1:56 PM by basedhoop
No. It's not.
 

HenryMuto

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Interesting this is 1 guy I read and how he thinks things will look come tomorrow after all games are played. Interesting he has both Virginia and Duke falling out if Arizona, Nova and Wisky win their conf tournaments. He has Xavier moving all the way to the 5 line. He has North Carolina moving to a 3 seed with a win over Notre Dame.

http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2015/03/d-1-bp68_14.html

1. KENTUCKY (SEC)
1. VILLANOVA (BIG EAST)
1. ARIZONA (PAC-12)
1. WISCONSIN (BIG TEN)

2. Duke
2. Virginia
2. KANSAS (BIG 12)
2. GONZAGA (WCC)

3. Oklahoma
3. NORTH CAROLINA (ACC)
3. Baylor
3. Iowa State

4. Maryland
4. Notre Dame
4. Utah
4. SMU (AAC)

5. NORTHERN IOWA (MISSOURI VALLEY)
5. West Virginia
5. Louisville
5. Xavier

6. Arkansas
6. Georgetown
6. Wichita State
6. Providence

7. Butler
7. Michigan State
7. SAN DIEGO STATE (MOUNTAIN WEST)
7. VCU (ATLANTIC TEN)

8. Cincinnati
8. St. John's
8. Davidson
8. Oregon

9. Colorado State
9. Iowa
9. Temple
9. Dayton

10. Oklahoma State
10. North Carolina State
10. Georgia
10. Ohio State

11. Purdue
11. Texas
11. Boise State
11. Indiana
11. LSU

12. BYU
12. Mississippi
12. STEPHEN F. AUSTIN (SOUTHLAND)
12. WOFFORD (SOCON)
12. VALPARAISO (HORIZON)

13. CENTRAL MICHIGAN (MAC)
13. HARVARD (IVY)
13. EASTERN WASHINGTON (BIG SKY)
13. GEORGIA STATE (SUN BELT)

14. NORTHEASTERN (COLONIAL)
14. NORTH DAKOTA STATE (SUMMIT)
14. UC-IRVINE (BIG WEST)
14. BELMONT (OVC)

15. ALBANY (AMERICA EAST)
15. UAB (CONFERENCE USA)
15. NEW MEXICO STATE (WAC)
15. TEXAS SOUTHERN (SWAC)

16. COASTAL CAROLINA (BIG SOUTH)
16. LAFAYETTE (PATRIOT)
16. NORTH FLORIDA (ATLANTIC SUN)
16. MANHATTAN (MAAC)
16. ROBERT MORRIS (NEC)
16. DELAWARE STATE (MEAC)
 

OHIO COLONEL

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Originally posted by JackBauerRulz:
Originally posted by JohnBlue_:
Before everyone gets all giddy over Wisconsin there something you need to consider. 0. That is how many wins they have over a top 20 team this year. Think about that.
So does that mean that Duke is the only ranked team they have played all season? Or did they beat ranked teams when they played and now they are not ranked? Ohio St should have been ranked when they played just off top of my head.
Maryland? OSU was about 23rd.
 

crazyqx83_rivals88013

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Virginia is awful. I sincerely hope they are our 2 seed. No way they are a 1 seed.

Only halfway decent team they beat this year was Maryland.
 

Rhavic

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Would rather have UVA as a 2. Not enough offensive firepower to hang.
Duke is better than UVA though, and they deserve the 1 over UVA.
 

Cats78

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How many UVA fly by threads is this guy gonna start? It's kind of cute and you guys have had a neat year and stuff, but you're nowhere near being in our league. I'd say we'd destroy you in the tournament, but I dout you make it very far. At all. Sorry.
 

dnabbott25

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OP are you a Virginia fan or something? You start a million Virginia threads. And Virginia is out as a 1 man.