Will Payne Resign..,
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If Cards don't win a game all season then yeah Payne should resign. I've said that CKP deserves time but I never thought it was going to be this bad. This is just atrocious basketball so far and I don't see things getting better.
Wasn’t for Payne being hired due to the lack of HC / running a program experience but, I did think that there were some things that we could count on.
1. Recruiting - nope. Never mind pulling high level recruits, he couldn’t convince existing players to stay. I don’t want to hear the ncaa excuse either - other teams under a cloud continue to recruit well. His statement about not wanting to use NIL because he only wanted players here for the “right reasons” is incredibly naive and chasing away existing players that could have helped this year’s team was poor.
2. Effort - nope. None of really had an idea what offensive and defensive systems he would employ but, I sure thought he would be able to get the players to play hard for him. You never want to have to coach effort but the fact that these players give so little of it tells me that he hasn’t reached them and, that they don’t believe in what he’s doing.
3. Development of the bigs - nope. I mean that’s what Payne and manning are known for - right? Bigs are out of shape and don’t play hard.
4. Player cohesion - nope. As a players first coach(es) - you would think that he / they would not have a problem getting everyone on the same page. And all this nonsense about the players being “damaged” is ridiculous - now it seems that they’ve bought into that sort of negative thinking.
This year couldn’t have gone worse if Payne was a yut plant trying to eff up the program.
1. Recruiting - nope. Never mind pulling high level recruits, he couldn’t convince existing players to stay. I don’t want to hear the ncaa excuse either - other teams under a cloud continue to recruit well. His statement about not wanting to use NIL because he only wanted players here for the “right reasons” is incredibly naive and chasing away existing players that could have helped this year’s team was poor.
2. Effort - nope. None of really had an idea what offensive and defensive systems he would employ but, I sure thought he would be able to get the players to play hard for him. You never want to have to coach effort but the fact that these players give so little of it tells me that he hasn’t reached them and, that they don’t believe in what he’s doing.
3. Development of the bigs - nope. I mean that’s what Payne and manning are known for - right? Bigs are out of shape and don’t play hard.
4. Player cohesion - nope. As a players first coach(es) - you would think that he / they would not have a problem getting everyone on the same page. And all this nonsense about the players being “damaged” is ridiculous - now it seems that they’ve bought into that sort of negative thinking.
This year couldn’t have gone worse if Payne was a yut plant trying to eff up the program.
5. Creating a culture. Nope. If he has, I hate this culture.
6. Creating cohesiveness within the program. Nope. Fans/supporters are more divided than ever.
7. utilizing his connections to Nike and the NBA. Nope. If he has it sure isn’t visible.
It's looking like they won't win a game this season. But even if they win one or two Payne needs to resign. This is so far gone that rock bottom is a step up.
“Should” or “needs to” isn’t the OP’s question… It’s WILL he resign.
IMO he will not…
IMO he will not…
It's just hard for me to imagine Louisville sitting at 2 and 24 in February and KP still on the sidelines.
Barring something unforseen, Payne will be here at least for one full season and probably more.
Do y’all think that there will be a settlement reached in order for a buyout to take place?
preferably ASAP
preferably ASAP
From a standpoint of looking after #1, there's absolutely no logic in him resigning. I'm sure that he has been well paid at both Kentucky and with the Knicks, but probably nothing like he's getting now. Also, he's fifty-five years old and has his family's long term financial security to consider, and he ain't getting any younger. Face it, he landed the contract and now the University of Louisville is going to have to pay big time to get rid of him. I don't blame him one bit for that, I'd do the same.
Judging by the sound of KP’s post-game presser today, he has no plans of resigning. Listening to KP… I see why he may not be getting buy in from his players. Rough!!! It’s like it’s not registering that he’s the head coach. Something is amiss here!
We have to start seeing progress. Every game so far seems to be worse than the last. UofL basketball, a revenue generating conglomerate, can’t afford this kind of continued performance. Bottom lines matter.
I’m gonna eat crow, there was a poster who said we might not win a game this year. Can’t remember who it was, but he may be right. This is absolutely awful, and I think this team may already be checked out at this point. I think Payne stays another year, but if we can’t get any players in the portal, you will see similar results. So far we have two top 75 guys for next year, and have heard nothing from potential recruits. This just isn’t working out, and it’s a damn shame.
If I got a sweet settlement to walk, yes. UofL can’t afford, literally cannot afford, ****** basketball.
It depends. There's more than money on the line for KP. I'm not sure if already has millions of dollars or not but he has to consider his future as a head coach.
It's on the line and he has two options.
1. Resign and admit he wasn't ready to take on the enormous challenge it was to coach Louisville in 2022. Be contrite and say that the program needs immediate help from a more experienced coach.
This could go a long way down the road after he has coached in the American conference or the MAC conference. His integrity would be noticed by a power conference school on how he dealt with the Louisville experience.
KP has to know going this route would be much easier, less stressful and ultimately his best chance to be a major college head coach. It just takes a little bit of humility and a bit more patience.
2. He could stay on and collect the checks until UofL is forced to fire him. If Louisville continues to lose like this the fallout will be so drastic, KP wouldn't want to endure it anyway. The university can't endure it.
KP has to know that to fight the firing by demanding his contract, isn't going to do him any favors down the road when he tries to coach again. How can he explain or complain about being fired when his team was 2 - 20? Wouldn't every other traditional power do the same?
KP and UofL are both at a crossroads. 0 and 8 is ugly. 1 and 14 is disgusting and 2 and 20 is downright nauseating. Something has to change. It could be player or coach departures but something has to change and for the sake of us tortured fans, hopefully both KP and UofL has the programs best interest in mind when the time comes.
And ladies and gentlemen, it's almost time. A 40 point loss to UK may just do it.
Louisville is 1 of 4 remaining winless D1 teams this season.
Winless Teams:
Louisville
California
Central Connecticut
Green Bay
I’m calling over/under on wins 2.5. At this rate, no way they get 3 wins. I only see 1 potential win left on their schedule - FAMU.
Spoiler Alert - They are not going to get a win over Lipscomb. This team seriously may not win a game.
A 1-30/31 record with mostly blowout losses is on the table. KP is staring a potential winless season in the face.
Winless Teams:
Louisville
California
Central Connecticut
Green Bay
I’m calling over/under on wins 2.5. At this rate, no way they get 3 wins. I only see 1 potential win left on their schedule - FAMU.
Spoiler Alert - They are not going to get a win over Lipscomb. This team seriously may not win a game.
A 1-30/31 record with mostly blowout losses is on the table. KP is staring a potential winless season in the face.
After to day’s Satterfield move by Josh Hierd, in which he showed massive cajones, I would expect a meeting in the near future where Josh makes an offer that Kenny literally cannot refuse as he did with Mack. I think Josh feels he was forced to hire KP and has never really been happy about it. That group that threatened, cajoled and harassed JH to get KP hired now needs to STFU and let the man do his job.
If CKP is going to be here next year then he had better make some assistant changes or at least add some assistant coaches that can help out more. IDK just something to show that he is making every effort he can to right the ship.
It probably wouldn't help much but something has to change if it isn't going to be the head coach himself.
It probably wouldn't help much but something has to change if it isn't going to be the head coach himself.
problem is the head coach sets the culture--the work ethic, the spirit you play with, enthusiasm. And he is really bad at this. Only so much assistants can do
If he only wins 2 or less games (zero?), then it is a very extreme situation and the AD would not look bad in making arrangements for CKP to exit in a friendly and mutual manner. People were pretty lenient coming into the season, no one expected the very realistic possibility of going somewhere between 0-33 and 2-31 (my prediction at this point).
Oh that's what I and most others are hoping for but not sure if Payne would feel the same. It's really up to Kenny at this point, but as others have said, why would he voluntarily resign with the money he is making?
Hiring a new football HC might matter here, hard to say.
That's Zipp's wheelhouse, @the artist FKA zipp
That's Zipp's wheelhouse, @the artist FKA zipp
I don't think there's anyway he just walks away without getting some kind of a payoff. I also don't think he would mind much to stand on the sidelines and take beating after beating year after year..
If we are truly going to pay Brohm 7 million a year, get usesd to seeing KP on the sidelines because we won't have money for a buyout or to pay a better coach to come in and right the ship.
If we are truly going to pay Brohm 7 million a year, get usesd to seeing KP on the sidelines because we won't have money for a buyout or to pay a better coach to come in and right the ship.
I just don't see how KP could make any argument he should stay on if his team is 1 and 20 being beaten by an average of 15 or more points. Or when the team is 2 and 25.
The outrage from the fans, only a couple thousand people at the Yum center. How could he believe he should be paid millions for that? Will he throw the players under the bus? Blame them?
Everyone is expecting some kind of improvement as the games go, but that's not been the case so far. Next up is a 1 and 9 FSU team who if not for Louisville, would be the story of the ACC. If the Cards get blown out by the Seminoles, I just don't see Louisville winning a conference game.
I just can't believe anyone would still make the case that KP should retain the position of head coach after such a unprecedented disaster of a basketball season. The fallout from such a embarrassing season would set back the program for years. KP would need to sign 5 one and dones and is that what Cards fans want? UK Jr?
This has been a collasal error of judgement and the sooner it is over, the sooner it will be in the rear view mirror. We would be better off hiring a experienced coach from a division 2 school who wouldn't make 3 million dollars a year.
The outrage from the fans, only a couple thousand people at the Yum center. How could he believe he should be paid millions for that? Will he throw the players under the bus? Blame them?
Everyone is expecting some kind of improvement as the games go, but that's not been the case so far. Next up is a 1 and 9 FSU team who if not for Louisville, would be the story of the ACC. If the Cards get blown out by the Seminoles, I just don't see Louisville winning a conference game.
I just can't believe anyone would still make the case that KP should retain the position of head coach after such a unprecedented disaster of a basketball season. The fallout from such a embarrassing season would set back the program for years. KP would need to sign 5 one and dones and is that what Cards fans want? UK Jr?
This has been a collasal error of judgement and the sooner it is over, the sooner it will be in the rear view mirror. We would be better off hiring a experienced coach from a division 2 school who wouldn't make 3 million dollars a year.
What costs more, a perpetually empty YUM! center or buying out the coach?
It may come down to that.
It may come down to that.
If you stretch out his buyout $ for the length of the contract I believe it’s about 1.5mil a year. In which I think pails in comparison of the lost revenue of a perpetually empty YUM! Center.
At least the YUM center will help regain $ again if they get back to winning which I don’t see KP turning it around to a winner.
A better coach with more experience could provide that.
Zipp was right, looking back. We should have hired Davenport to weather the storm until the cloud lifted - and THEN hire a coach. Looking back I don't think the results would have been any worse and truthfully probably would have been much better. Much friendlier financially, as well.
Problem was - they didn’t ask Zipp or, any of the thousands of fans who questioned this hire. The only opinions that mattered were Bridgeman’s, Eaves, Maybin and the rest of that crowd.
FWIW…I was told by a very reliable person that Davenport would’ve taken interim job when Padgett got job and certainly would’ve taken full time gig if offered. His son Doug is ready and able to take over at Bellarmine.