Will We Ever Know Who Divided the 2015 Locker Room?

BlueRattie_rivals

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Looking back at UK's football season, it is clear that UK played virtually the entire season with a divided locker room. Players formed factions, picked which players and coaches they were willing to play for, and may have even dogged it when they were on the field with those they didn't like. In short, it was the worst case scenario for team culture: a group of players and coaches that were actively working against each other, not for each other.

The comments of Phillips and Towles in the aftermath of the season point strongly toward a case of narcissistic triangulation a passive-aggressive tactic where co-workers, teammates, or family members pit people against each other in a backhanded attempt at gaining power, prestige, or some other type of advantage over those around them. Narcissistic triangulation takes many forms, from the manipulative girlfriend that complains to others about you because she knows it will eventually get back to you, to the co-worker that undermines his boss by fomenting discontent among his co-workers. It is especially "effective" when used in competitive situations (FDR famously pitted his own aides against each other) and even more effective when used on young people, whose insecurities and fragile egos are vulnerable to the type of manipulative back-biting engendered by triangulation.

Somewhere along the 2015 season, the metal of UK football team was broken into shards that could not be reforged. We had the Towles vs. Barker faction, the pre-Stoops vs. post-Stoops faction, and the Stoops vs. Dawson faction. Someone on the team and/or coaching staff (perhaps more than one person) was the underlying cause of this diseased dynamic. But who was it?

Was Mark Stoops, as a first time head coach, so insecure that he created a rift between his own players and offensive coordinator? Was Shannon Dawson attempting to undermine the authority of his own coach by pitting Towles (and his faction) against other coaches/players? In an effort to keep his job, did Towles band together the upperclassmen? Or did Barker come after Towles, taking advantage of his recruiting ties with the younger players? Will we ever know?
 

KapitalCat

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Where ever it was it definitely was on the offensive side of the ball. I don't recall any major issues when Neal Brown was here. Doesn't mean there wasn't any but Neal did a good job as the manager of the offense to keep things at bay. Based upon things said by Towles and Phillips and their praise for Dawson, I think somewhere in that triangle were the major issues.
 
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Rumor is that Towels and Dawson has a weird relationship. Not inappropriate, just strange. They were best friends, not a normal coach/player relationship.
Ticked a lot of players off.
 
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In team sports there is often a very fine line between winning and losing. Any division can tilt the scales in the wrong direction.
Hopefully the poor product what UK put on the field was a mental thing and not a lack of talent. I believe that there was enough talent on board to have gotten to 6-6 and maybe with getting back on course it can happen in 2016.
And yes I want to win the SEC but the very first step in building a program is winning more than you lose. If you do that you have a foundation and hopefully go forward from there.
 

docholiday51

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I think it is safe to say that if the divide is just somewhat more minimal then 6 or 7 wins were there for the taking, which puts a whole different spin on the season, direction of the program and Stoops tenure as coach. Would Dawson have been gone anyway, would Towles,? Maybe it is a good thing we didn't win that 6th game, probably a first for UK football, lucky we didn't win one more.
 

KapitalCat

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losing...

all those other little soap operas can coexist if the team wins...

it's not on one side or the other...its on all of them...

No doubt wining cures a lot of ills. Some of the best Yankee baseball teams were dysfunctional.

But at the same time a dysfunctional locker room can sabotage wins and I think that's what happened this year. Cost us at least between 1-3 wins.
 

seccats04

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I think Gran can be that father like figure on offense that those guys need. They are a young unit and need guidance. Dawson seemed more like a friend than mentor.
 
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dyersburgcatfan

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Here may be the root: New recruits ranked higher than the ones Stoops inherited from the previous staff. Inherited plahyers are upper classmen who feel they should play, because they are more experienced. New recruits are superior athletes and feel they have the right to play ahead of the old guys. Jealousies take over and coach doesn't know how to handle it properly. Coaches get divided...and trouble results. Some of this should go away as all the recruits belong to the new regime.
 

TBCat

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Guarantee there were multiple problems...

Stoops vs Dawson
Joker guys vs Stoops guys
Towles guys vs Barker guys
offense vs defense
experience vs youth

And losing just exposed the problems
I agree with all of this except the offense vs defense. It looks to me like 100% of the issues were on offense. Even the Joker players on the defense that were getting replaced found a way to step up instead of mope. Khalid Henderson being an example. He was a Joker guy that was being passed by but he still had his best year as a Cat.
 

Anon1639625937

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I think some people just want another thread to subtly bash on Stoops. Just my opinion though.

You just may be 100% correct. At the same time, do not fool yourself into thinking that the inaction of Stoops did not contribute to a devided locker room.
 

Madison Cat

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There were no serious divisions in Stoops first 2 years so I would assume that the house has been swept clean and ready to be put in order again.

Great hires for UK with Gran and Hinshaw that should strengthen our offense next year and I believe our defense will show some great improvement if we can just take care of the D line. The young guys have a year of expertinence now and we now add in some LB transfers and we are looking stronger and deeper. Next year is a tough schedule but I believe that we can win 6 plus have at least 1 surprise win next year.

No reason to think Stoops can't do this as we were on track with everything until the inner team turmoil manifested.
 

docholiday51

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Here may be the root: New recruits ranked higher than the ones Stoops inherited from the previous staff. Inherited plahyers are upper classmen who feel they should play, because they are more experienced. New recruits are superior athletes and feel they have the right to play ahead of the old guys. Jealousies take over and coach doesn't know how to handle it properly. Coaches get divided...and trouble results. Some of this should go away as all the recruits belong to the new regime.
Three years removed this doesn't hold as much water as it once might have, the divide was probably more personality driven, offense vs defense or cliques within the team.
 

Poetax

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Where ever it was it definitely was on the offensive side of the ball. I don't recall any major issues when Neal Brown was here. Doesn't mean there wasn't any but Neal did a good job as the manager of the offense to keep things at bay. Based upon things said by Towles and Phillips and their praise for Dawson, I think somewhere in that triangle were the major issues.

Kap, everyone has an opinion on this and here is mine. Towles and Phillips probably loved Dawson's new offense of throwing the ball vertical and down the field. The first half of our opener was great but we saw the downside of it when you stop executing and don't put on the breaks. I bet after the game him and Stoops did not quite agree on how no adjustments allow the other team back in the game. And if Dawson maintained that his way was the way he wanted to do it, coach failure happened between those two. I will say this if Dawson ever gets with a team with elite athletes on both sides of the ball, and be able to make those adjustments he might have a really exciting offense but it would have to be the perfect storm to happen.
 
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ArtSmass

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Rumor is that Towels and Dawson has a weird relationship. Not inappropriate, just strange. They were best friends, not a normal coach/player relationship.
Ticked a lot of players off.

If there is truth to THIS, I can certainly see why there'd have been a division.

Football players -- worse than any other athlete I believe -- get into the "he has his favorites" stuff to the n-th degree. Even if THEIR OWN playing time isn't affected they still will act like jealous middle school girls about the player who seems to be a coach's 'favorite.'
 
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BigBoyBlueMMA

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Sound great, like menage a trois. :cool2:
GREAT WINE THAT MENAGE A TROIS
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sefus12

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You just may be 100% correct. At the same time, do not fool yourself into thinking that the inaction of Stoops did not contribute to a devided locker room.

I'm not saying who's to blame or not to blame, I'm just saying there are some on here who won't be happy until Stoops either goes 12-0 or gets fired.

The season is over, Stoops is here, and he's made moves to try and improve things. May as well just hope for the best and move forward as opposed to continuing to beat every dead horse out there with a marginally different stick.
 

Poetax

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And if some of the problems are still on the team? What if the primary problem is the head coach?

If so, it's not over and may not be over for some time. :(

But then again what if he wasn't ? It could be very over.
 

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Here may be the root: New recruits ranked higher than the ones Stoops inherited from the previous staff. Inherited plahyers are upper classmen who feel they should play, because they are more experienced. New recruits are superior athletes and feel they have the right to play ahead of the old guys. Jealousies take over and coach doesn't know how to handle it properly. Coaches get divided...and trouble results. Some of this should go away as all the recruits belong to the new regime.

This
 

wildcatdon

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Looking back at UK's football season, it is clear that UK played virtually the entire season with a divided locker room. Players formed factions, picked which players and coaches they were willing to play for, and may have even dogged it when they were on the field with those they didn't like. In short, it was the worst case scenario for team culture: a group of players and coaches that were actively working against each other, not for each other.

The comments of Phillips and Towles in the aftermath of the season point strongly toward a case of narcissistic triangulation a passive-aggressive tactic where co-workers, teammates, or family members pit people against each other in a backhanded attempt at gaining power, prestige, or some other type of advantage over those around them. Narcissistic triangulation takes many forms, from the manipulative girlfriend that complains to others about you because she knows it will eventually get back to you, to the co-worker that undermines his boss by fomenting discontent among his co-workers. It is especially "effective" when used in competitive situations (FDR famously pitted his own aides against each other) and even more effective when used on young people, whose insecurities and fragile egos are vulnerable to the type of manipulative back-biting engendered by triangulation.

Somewhere along the 2015 season, the metal of UK football team was broken into shards that could not be reforged. We had the Towles vs. Barker faction, the pre-Stoops vs. post-Stoops faction, and the Stoops vs. Dawson faction. Someone on the team and/or coaching staff (perhaps more than one person) was the underlying cause of this diseased dynamic. But who was it?

Was Mark Stoops, as a first time head coach, so insecure that he created a rift between his own players and offensive coordinator? Was Shannon Dawson attempting to undermine the authority of his own coach by pitting Towles (and his faction) against other coaches/players? In an effort to keep his job, did Towles band together the upperclassmen? Or did Barker come after Towles, taking advantage of his recruiting ties with the younger players? Will we ever know?

Most of us already know.. Not sure how much you have been reading but it is out there. put 2 and 2 together and you will get it.
 

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Can't read because it is premium but Rowland tweeted Stoops to crack down on social media. If so maybe good thing to keep players focused.
 
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WildCard

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Congratulations on the first known use of the phrase "narcissistic triangulation" on a sports message board. [roll]

Peace
 

CB3UK

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Can't read because it is premium but Rowland tweeted Stoops to crack down on social media. If so maybe good thing to keep players focused.
I'd agree its a good thing, but you know it will create more resentment amongst the less mature members of the team.
 

CatsFanGG24

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I agree with all of this except the offense vs defense. It looks to me like 100% of the issues were on offense. Even the Joker players on the defense that were getting replaced found a way to step up instead of mope. Khalid Henderson being an example. He was a Joker guy that was being passed by but he still had his best year as a Cat.
I do think the defense got pissed off about offensive performance.
 

law1127

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I think it should be obvious to any reasonable fan,that Towles took this football team as far as he could! Time to move on!
 

NCukcat62

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I think it definitely lies with that loser Dawson. Maybe not all of it but he had of been the main reason. I hope he never gets another big time gig.
 

billoliver40

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Lots of great thoughts guys....but I think the one word sums it up...losing. it's a habit that is ingrained into Kentucky football for some reason.....and expecting to lose works even better than expecting to win.
 

BlueRattie_rivals

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Most of us already know.. Not sure how much you have been reading but it is out there. put 2 and 2 together and you will get it.

My gut is telling me that it's Dawson. Stoops, while not perfect, managed to work for multiple successful coaches in a variety of situations and was never accused of being a locker room cancer. Dawson's first real authority with a P5 program and suddenly the kids want to kill each other. There are no coincidences.