Wire-fraud charges should not be dismissed against Randolph Morris

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To all of those who cry about paying their taxes well you have to make it before you can pay it, these people that try to get around that are pathetic. Most of the time it's those that make huge amounts of money that try to avoid paying their share. They will hunt you down for years, just not a smart thing to do yet a lot of people try it.
 
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He has to pay Kentucky taxes on income he made working and living in another country? Yikes!

US is one of the only countries that taxes you on income earned abroad while living abroad. I think the argument is that even living abroad you benefit from American citizenship, diplomatic services, the power of the American passport, and the security and economic hegemony provided by our global military deployment. It is the US Navy that patrols like 90% of the world's trade routes. Depending on their exact situation they may also be eligible for social security and medicare and have to pay into those.

But state taxes? I don't see any reasonable argument for that.
 

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He has to pay Kentucky taxes on income he made working and living in another country? Yikes!
I was in the Navy for 22yrs and never lived n Kentucky during that time, but it was listed as my permanent residence when I enlisted so I paid KY state tax until I was stationed in Florida and changed residence (No state tax) saved me around $400-600 a year in taxes.
 

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Taxation is theft and anyone who’d imprison a man for not accurately reporting Chinese basketball income is the real criminal

Taxation is theft? What a ridiculous statement. If you live in Kentucky it's even more ridiculous as KY is a net taker from federal tax revenue (our citizens pay less money in federal taxes than KY receives in federal funding).

For me, I'll pay taxes because I'm smart enough to realize how much we all benefit from tax revenue.

But maybe you live out in the woods and don't use any governmental services, and maybe if your house is burning down you wouldn't call the fire department.
 

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To all of those who cry about paying their taxes well you have to make it before you can pay it, these people that try to get around that are pathetic. Most of the time it's those that make huge amounts of money that try to avoid paying their share. They will hunt you down for years, just not a smart thing to do yet a lot of people try it.
Yeah because the government doesn't steal, commit fraud, abuse, or waste taxpayer money so do what you're told you sheeple!
 

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Taxation is theft? What a ridiculous statement. If you live in Kentucky it's even more ridiculous as KY is a net taker from federal tax revenue (our citizens pay less money in federal taxes than KY receives in federal funding).

For me, I'll pay taxes because I'm smart enough to realize how much we all benefit from tax revenue.

But maybe you live out in the woods and don't use any governmental services, and maybe if your house is burning down you wouldn't call the fire department.
Taxation is theft and anyone who’d imprison a man for not accurately reporting Chinese basketball income is the real criminal
I agree with you both. We do get services and protections, and, in principle at least, we have representation among the bodies who assign what we pay for those services and protections.

Buuut,

Taxation as a scalar quantity, which grows when your income grows even though you aren’t getting any more services and protections, and disappears when your income shrinks enough even though you aren’t getting any less services and protections, is theft in significant proportion.
 

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Morris’ crime is not being an obedient economic unit. The US has no business taxing income made outside the US. I realize they do, and I believe it is immoral and criminal.
 

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Morris’ crime is not being an obedient economic unit. The US has no business taxing income made outside the US. I realize they do, and I believe it is immoral and criminal.

I'm sure they do it bc it'd be another loophole for tax evasion. But in a circumstance like Morris' situation, seems a but ridiculous to me.
 

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Morris’ crime is not being an obedient economic unit. The US has no business taxing income made outside the US. I realize they do, and I believe it is immoral and criminal.
All he had to do to avoid paying the tax is renounce his US Citizenship. You won't owe a penny of US income tax on money you earn in a foreign country while living outside the US, if you are not a US citizen. I wouldn't give up my US citizenship to save a few tax dollars, but that is an option for people living in another country.
 
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Taxation is theft? What a ridiculous statement. If you live in Kentucky it's even more ridiculous as KY is a net taker from federal tax revenue (our citizens pay less money in federal taxes than KY receives in federal funding).

For me, I'll pay taxes because I'm smart enough to realize how much we all benefit from tax revenue.

But maybe you live out in the woods and don't use any governmental services, and maybe if your house is burning down you wouldn't call the fire department.
Tread lightly lol
 

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I agree, pay your taxes like all of us working stiffs.
I use every thing I can find to cut paying taxes down as much as possible.. Worked a lot of cash jobs in my life.. Taxes is nothing but thievery..

Just seen post above mine.. Let er burn..
 

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US is one of the only countries that taxes you on income earned abroad while living abroad. I think the argument is that even living abroad you benefit from American citizenship, diplomatic services, the power of the American passport, and the security and economic hegemony provided by our global military deployment. It is the US Navy that patrols like 90% of the world's trade routes. Depending on their exact situation they may also be eligible for social security and medicare and have to pay into those.

But state taxes? I don't see any reasonable argument for that.
We’ve got half the population voting for politicians that love Taxes. The new tax bill will cripple the middle class people keep voting it in. Time to wake up.
 

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Oh, thought he may have conned someone out of money. Turns out govt is mad it couldn't steal from him their share.
 

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There are plenty of legal ways to not pay taxes outside the US if your truely outside the US. As far as state taxes, it doesn’t take much to make primary residence in a state that doesn’t have state income tax. If he was truely intent on not paying why didn’t he hire a CPA is beyond me. They really aren’t that expensive compared to the time, legal fees, and fines this will cost him.
 

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Taxation is theft? What a ridiculous statement. If you live in Kentucky it's even more ridiculous as KY is a net taker from federal tax revenue (our citizens pay less money in federal taxes than KY receives in federal funding).

For me, I'll pay taxes because I'm smart enough to realize how much we all benefit from tax revenue.

But maybe you live out in the woods and don't use any governmental services, and maybe if your house is burning down you wouldn't call the fire department.


I live in the sticks and don't recieve the benefits you guys get. Don't even have internet in my home. If the house is on fire it's the local volunteer fire department that comes out. By that time it's gone anyways.

What needs to happen is you guys who love paying taxes and want everyone else to pay more need to just pony up and give more of your paycheck to the commies in charge.

Id rather not pay any income tax like Americans used to not do.

Don't pay your property tax and you will find out real quick who really controls that piece of dirt your living on.
 
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Go calculate how much money you'd have if you invested what you pay into social security yourself vs what social security pays you. Then convince yourself it's not theft and a ponzi scheme.
I said it’s not an entitlement. I didn’t say a single thing about ROI. By the way, a very small percent of people would actually invest the SS withheld from their pay. Most would piss it away. It’s a sad fact, but it’s a fact nonetheless. And by the way, I’m very much a Conservative.
 

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The Fair Tax is much better than a flat tax. Flat tax is more of a burden on the poor.
I’ve always heard this yet nothing changes and they are currently taxed at a higher rate so not sure how it would be worse for them. I can see that you’d need to do returns for people below a certain threshold. I’ll look into the fair tax plan. Pretty sure anything would be better than what we currently have.
 

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I’ve always heard this yet nothing changes and they are currently taxed at a higher rate so not sure how it would be worse for them. I can see that you’d need to do returns for people below a certain threshold. I’ll look into the fair tax plan. Pretty sure anything would be better than what we currently have.
Approximately 50% of the U.S. population pays zero federal income tax. In fact, a good percentage get refunds on money they didn’t even earn due to various tax credits. It’s completely false to say the poor people in this country pay a high rate of federal income tax. In fact, they pay little to nothing.
 

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To all of those who cry about paying their taxes well you have to make it before you can pay it, these people that try to get around that are pathetic. Most of the time it's those that make huge amounts of money that try to avoid paying their share. They will hunt you down for years, just not a smart thing to do yet a lot of people try it.
This is partly true. The wealthy tax cheats obviously commit bigger dollar tax evasion schemes. But, billions upon billions of dollars of tax fraud is committed each year by lower income people, including illegal aliens. How? By falsifying claims for Earned Income Credits and Child Tax Credits. Millions get tax refunds as large as $15,000+ that they are not entitled to. That adds up to a LOT of fraud. There are numerous other methods they use as well. Believe me, I know this for a fact.
 
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chroix

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Approximately 50% of the U.S. population pays zero federal income tax. In fact, a good percentage get refunds on money they didn’t even earn due to various tax credits. It’s completely false to say the poor people in this country pay a high rate of federal income tax. In fact, they pay little to nothing.
That's why I said a flat tax at 15% for everyone. I didn't say anything about poor people paying high taxes. Just to be clear that was another poster that I was responding to.
 

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That's why I said a flat tax at 15% for everyone. I didn't say anything about poor people paying high taxes. Just to be clear that was another poster that I was responding to.
Go back and read your post. You said, “they are currently taxed at a higher rate”. That’s completely false.
 
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Go back and read your post. You said, “they are currently taxed at a higher rate”. That’s completely false.
A higher rate than the 15% flat tax I proposed.

But when I look it up people making under ~$40k are paying a 12% rate and then getting credits so definitely less than 15% and I stand corrected.
 
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Approximately 50% of the U.S. population pays zero federal income tax. In fact, a good percentage get refunds on money they didn’t even earn due to various tax credits. It’s completely false to say the poor people in this country pay a high rate of federal income tax. In fact, they pay little to nothing.


Tax is built into everything you buy. A poor person uses 100% of their money to survive which means all their money is going back into the system. Like buy some alcohol or cigarettes and they have taxes on em. Buy gas and it has tax built into it. Etc
Everyone pays taxes just some pay more $ because they are worth more.

Those 50% you talk about... how much wealth combined do they have compared to say the top 100 richest?