Would also help if Nance learned how to assert himself on offense
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disappointing that he doesn't try to get low and just wants to shot jumpers
i think he is a big part of the loss today. for someone of his size and skill set to be wiped out by a team like hartford - its hard for a team like NU to win when theyre not getting about 8 from nance
and i think he got scored on twice in the last couple minutes
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What he needs to do is learn how to score when he is not the primary scoring option and try some pick and roll with buie.
On the one hand, I want to say its the guards' and wings' responsibility to make sure that Nance has the ball in a meaningful way each possession.
On the other, Nance needs to place himself in the middle of the action and demand the ball.
Very young team. Very young mentality.
On the other, Nance needs to place himself in the middle of the action and demand the ball.
Very young team. Very young mentality.
Gato, not sure if you are addressing me.
Idaho has been pretty outspoken about Collins' coaching and I cannot dispute the facts he puts forward.
Personally, I don't get why AJ is not playing more minutes after what he did for NU last year. Why wasn't AJ sent in to play next to Boo and told to bounce the ball off of Nance's head every possession and to direct Nance into the post?
But then I don't sit in practice.
What Idaho has put out there is fact based and now needs to be disproven.
Idaho has been pretty outspoken about Collins' coaching and I cannot dispute the facts he puts forward.
Personally, I don't get why AJ is not playing more minutes after what he did for NU last year. Why wasn't AJ sent in to play next to Boo and told to bounce the ball off of Nance's head every possession and to direct Nance into the post?
But then I don't sit in practice.
What Idaho has put out there is fact based and now needs to be disproven.
Turner was hurt in the 2nd half but I get your point. It’s weird because when you sit close enough to the court at games you see that Nance is probably the most vocal guy out there directing people where to go but someone(Collins) needs to direct him to take advantage of the huge mismatch he creates. The fact that he didn’t get at least 12-15 shots down low yesterday is criminal. With him and Young in the game at the same time, he should’ve dominated that team offensively. The lane was open all day when Hartford played zone and your 6’10” athletic wing is roaming around on the 3 point line. Crazy.
100% correct. There were times he was in the middle of the zone offense and had a guy about a foot shorter on him and never seemed to take advantage of what should've been repeated scoring opportunities. All that said, we had a lot of good, wide open 3's that we missed and you have to make a better percentage than what we shot yesterday.
Ridiculous that we have 6'10-11 guys with no inside game. Only one that tries down there is Young. Need to feed him the ball and have someone moving to the basket on the other side.
Not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just a statement that while I agree blame is to be put on Nance himself and other players (mostly guards), some of the blame is to be shared by CC.
I think we have 3 guys that tall. Young has a pretty nice inside game for a RS frosh. Jones is a true frosh and not ready. Nance played guard in high school so developing an inside game is taking some time.
Also, don't want to hear about Nance's weight/strength.
Swop was a slight 210 lbs when he manned the PF spot for the 'Cats and battled for rebounds.
Nance was heavier coming into the program than Shurna and Coble.
Law was a stick (now we know in part due to his medical issue) and yet, as frosh, battled for rebounds w/ players thicker than him.
The best example of this is probably Durant, who couldn't even do 1 rep on the bench at the NBA combine (and yet was a monster in scoring and rebounds).
Swop was a slight 210 lbs when he manned the PF spot for the 'Cats and battled for rebounds.
Nance was heavier coming into the program than Shurna and Coble.
Law was a stick (now we know in part due to his medical issue) and yet, as frosh, battled for rebounds w/ players thicker than him.
The best example of this is probably Durant, who couldn't even do 1 rep on the bench at the NBA combine (and yet was a monster in scoring and rebounds).
Swop was a fifth year senior at NU which was also his best college rebounding year at 6.7/game.
Right now Nance is averaging 6.7/game.
Swop was sub 4 rebounds/game for his career.
Right now Nance is averaging more pts/game than Swop averaged his year at NU.
Law was a stick who never had a season rebound average as high as Nance's is right now.
The really soft play has him within 1/2 a rebound/game of Ryan Young who is parked under the rim the entire game.
How does that happen?
Nance can be frustrating with his lack of aggressiveness, but people should realize he is a work in progress. He is LIGHT years ahead of last year. If he wasn’t the highest recruit we ever got he would be cut some slack. He needs to take that next step of taking advantage of the mismatches.
I am not sure what people expected, but to me on an individual basis everyone has performed as expected or better with the exception of Gaines and Turner. Both have been or are clearly not at 100%. Boo, Young and yes Spencer are way better than I expected them to be. You can’t expect Spencer to be John Stockton having not played any high level ball for years. Yes, the ball can go into the black hole at times, but the man is not afraid. Same with Boo. I would much rather have aggressive guards that make some mistakes than what we saw last year.
I am not sure what people expected, but to me on an individual basis everyone has performed as expected or better with the exception of Gaines and Turner. Both have been or are clearly not at 100%. Boo, Young and yes Spencer are way better than I expected them to be. You can’t expect Spencer to be John Stockton having not played any high level ball for years. Yes, the ball can go into the black hole at times, but the man is not afraid. Same with Boo. I would much rather have aggressive guards that make some mistakes than what we saw last year.
This is his second year playing while it is Young's first. Needs to make the transition soon
I was curious how his older brother developed. Here are his stats at Wyoming:
2011-12 4.1 ppg, 4.0 boards
2012-13 10.7/6.9
2013-14 15.4/8.6
2014-15 16.1/7.2
The Mountain West conference is no where near the grinder the B1G is. Yet a case can be made that Pete is pretty much on big brothers development path......
2011-12 4.1 ppg, 4.0 boards
2012-13 10.7/6.9
2013-14 15.4/8.6
2014-15 16.1/7.2
The Mountain West conference is no where near the grinder the B1G is. Yet a case can be made that Pete is pretty much on big brothers development path......
to be far i think people are being hard on nance because of high expectations. his production is solid be we want "star" production
i just want him to stop complaining about EVERYTHING on the court
i just want him to stop complaining about EVERYTHING on the court
All fair comments. We do have high expectations for the young man. It's hard not to see him as a guy born with the tools to be more "Durant-like".
I hope he just understand that going inside and taking advantage of the mismatches is not only for the team's sake. It will make his outside game also better. Defenders will have a much harder time guarding him. And more bigger, less mobile guys, will be put on him.
I hope he just understand that going inside and taking advantage of the mismatches is not only for the team's sake. It will make his outside game also better. Defenders will have a much harder time guarding him. And more bigger, less mobile guys, will be put on him.
I keep coming back to Frank Kaminsky as a Nance ceiling comparison. FK didn't start to become "Frank Kaminsky, NBA player" until his junior year.
2011-12: 1.8 ppg, 1.4 boards
2012-13: 4.2/1.8
2013-14: 13.9/6.3
2014-15: 18.8/8.2
Nance will keep getting better, he just needs time.
2011-12: 1.8 ppg, 1.4 boards
2012-13: 4.2/1.8
2013-14: 13.9/6.3
2014-15: 18.8/8.2
Nance will keep getting better, he just needs time.
FK did average 8/10/27/34 minutes in those seasons. So his jump from 2nd to the 3rd season does not look as impressive as it could.
But point taken, because Nance is averaging 10/7 in 29 minutes. Even if competition gets tougher, he's also likely to develop within season and keep said averages.
One can actually argue Nance is a sophomore with closer numbers to a junior FK.