Would love to know what Cambell is paying Becht and Franklin is paying Grunk. Keep in mind, Grunk wanted to stay, Campbell choose....

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......to PAY-UP for a downgrade at QB in his last year of eligibility?

This is not amateur football anymore - this is Professional Football in a league that has absolute Unrestricted Free Agency across the board - Coaches & Players. This nonsense about "recruiting" taking years to take effect is beyond laughable. Recruiting is NOT the key to success in a Professional League like this - "Talent Evaluation" and Resources are the keys to success.

Kraft "paid up" for a DOWNGRADE in both coaching and roster completely due to the inane way HE, and no one else, handled the situation last year (mirroring the decisions that the coach he hired made). This is UNACCEPTABLE in a PROFESSIONAL football league paying the sums of $$$ being paid to people like Kraft and Campbell (but Kraft is primarily responsible as he absolutely has caused this crapshow ridiculousness for "paying up" for massive downgrades across the board - again, Campbell's assembled roster is being paid more than Franklin and his team at the same time Campbell is driving out a player like Grunk, who wanted to stay, to PAY-UP significantly for a one--&-done year player who is physically, and talent-wise, a massive downgrade to the inexpensive player with multiple years of eligibiity who wanted to stay!?!?).

At its root, this inanity lies completely at the feet of Krafty The Clown and he needs to be held accountable for this insanity in a Professional Sports League. He needs to be gone yesterday and get someone in here who has a freaking clue what their doing when running a Professional Team (in a league with absolute Unrestricted Free Agency) with the annual Payroll (including what the HC is being paid) that PSU is shelling out - which isn't chump-change or entirely unmanageable as some are claiming. Isn't the most, but is well above average and within the top quintile of FBS.).

The only thing Kraft has managed to do with his inanity and clown-show antics is pay more $$$ for a significant DOWNGRADE in both Coaching and the Coach's decisions - i.e., Player Roster. You don't need to pay someone a ton of $$$ the way Kraft (and his boy Campbell) is/are to make these kind of reckless, and massively detrimental, decisions with PSU's finite budget in a Professional Sports League - an idiot off the street could make these types of decisions for nothing relative to what Krafty The Clown is being paid to render this trainwreck. PSU's President should be holding a Presser this morning that Kraft is fired and a search is in place to bring in a new AD that has a semblance of an idea what they are doing managing a Professional Sports Team in a league with absolute UFA in regards to Coaches and Players with annual budgets in the $50-$75 million per annum like we're talking about at the top-level of FBS. Kraft's idea that he should go unaccountable for creating an environment of total unaccountability for big-$$$ decision-making, and the RESULTS of those decisions, is UNACCEPTABLE and has to stop IMMEDIATELY. Kraft has done enough damage to PSU and he needs to be canned TODAY if the President of the University expects alumns to continue to support the Athletic Programs.
 
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Krafty has yet to nail down a jersey patch deal. For a program that has nil issues it’s an easy revenue enhancement that our top competitors have already accomplished.
 
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Grunk was never going to stay--it was never Grunk or Rocco
Not saying Rocco's been good but his QBR is 13 points higher than Grunk's so far.
Neither is elite
We have another QB on the roster that MC believes in
 

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Grunk was never going to stay--it was never Grunk or Rocco
Not saying Rocco's been good but his QBR is 13 points higher than Grunk's so far.
Neither is elite
We have another QB on the roster that MC believes in
Here we go again. More nonsense; different day. Grunk left because Campbell prioritized bringing in his boy Becht. Grunk said publicly that he is a loyal person who would have stayed but it was obvious to anyone who has a clue that Campbell was going to play Becht regardless of how Grunk looked had he stayed (kind of like how Hansen is still first on the RB depth chart). I said before the season that Grunk would play better than Becht and stand by that comment. Don’t know if Grunk will be elite or not but he sure as hell has a better chance than Rocco. Does Campbell believe in Manske like he believes in Becht?
 

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Here we go again. More nonsense; different day. Grunk left because Campbell prioritized bringing in his boy Becht. Grunk said publicly that he is a loyal person who would have stayed but it was obvious to anyone who has a clue that Campbell was going to play Becht regardless of how Grunk looked had he stayed (kind of like how Hansen is still first on the RB depth chart). I said before the season that Grunk would play better than Becht and stand by that comment. Don’t know if Grunk will be elite or not but he sure as hell has a better chance than Rocco. Does Campbell believe in Manske like he believes in Becht?
That's utterly false. Grunk was always going to follow James. Just a story the Franklin obsessed base created. If anything he felt Manske was better than Grunk

Why do people believe what guys say in public. Next you'll say Beau is loyal

Hansen and Peoples are the best two backs. Your judgment of Hansen while injured would be alarming if not predictable
 

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Here we go again. More nonsense; different day. Grunk left because Campbell prioritized bringing in his boy Becht. Grunk said publicly that he is a loyal person who would have stayed but it was obvious to anyone who has a clue that Campbell was going to play Becht regardless of how Grunk looked had he stayed (kind of like how Hansen is still first on the RB depth chart). I said before the season that Grunk would play better than Becht and stand by that comment. Don’t know if Grunk will be elite or not but he sure as hell has a better chance than Rocco. Does Campbell believe in Manske like he believes in Becht?

LOL... Let's call it the Loado Shuffle. Boz Scaggs would have a laugh.
 
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......to PAY-UP for a downgrade at QB in his last year of eligibility?

This is not amateur football anymore - this is Professional Football in a league that has absolute Unrestricted Free Agency across the board - Coaches & Players. This nonsense about "recruiting" taking years to take effect is beyond laughable. Recruiting is NOT the key to success in a Professional League like this - "Talent Evaluation" and Resources are the keys to success.

Kraft "paid up" for a DOWNGRADE in both coaching and roster completely due to the inane way HE, and no one else, handled the situation last year (mirroring the decisions that the coach he hired made). This is UNACCEPTABLE in a PROFESSIONAL football league paying the sums of $$$ being paid to people like Kraft and Campbell (but Kraft is primarily responsible as he absolutely has caused this crapshow ridiculousness for "paying up" for massive downgrades across the board - again, Campbell's assembled roster is being paid more than Franklin and his team at the same time Campbell is driving out a player like Grunk, who wanted to stay, to PAY-UP significantly for a one--&-done year player who is physically, and talent-wise, a massive downgrade to the inexpensive player with multiple years of eligibiity who wanted to stay!?!?).

At its root, this inanity lies completely at the feet of Krafty The Clown and he needs to be held accountable for this insanity in a Professional Sports League. He needs to be gone yesterday and get someone in here who has a freaking clue what their doing when running a Professional Team (in a league with absolute Unrestricted Free Agency) with the annual Payroll (including what the HC is being paid) that PSU is shelling out - which isn't chump-change or entirely unmanageable as some are claiming. Isn't the most, but is well above average and within the top quintile of FBS.).

The only thing Kraft has managed to do with his inanity and clown-show antics is pay more $$$ for a significant DOWNGRADE in both Coaching and the Coach's decisions - i.e., Player Roster. You don't need to pay someone a ton of $$$ the way Kraft (and his boy Campbell) is/are to make these kind of reckless, and massively detrimental, decisions with PSU's finite budget in a Professional Sports League - an idiot off the street could make these types of decisions for nothing relative to what Krafty The Clown is being paid to render this trainwreck. PSU's President should be holding a Presser this morning that Kraft is fired and a search is in place to bring in a new AD that has a semblance of an idea what they are doing managing a Professional Sports Team in a league with absolute UFA in regards to Coaches and Players with annual budgets in the $50-$75 million per annum like we're talking about at the top-level of FBS. Kraft's idea that he should go unaunacceptable for creating an environment of total unaccountability for big-$$$ decision-making, and the RESULTS of those decisions, is UNACCEPTABLE and has to stop IMMEDIATELY. Kraft has done enough damage to PSU and he needs to be canned TODAY if the President of the University expects alumns to continue to support the Athletic Programs.

Personally, I liked the upside of Grunk. It was disappointing he seemingly didn't get any consideration.

This ain't Iowa State anymore. Lose to NW on Friday, and the pressure will be on.
 

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That's utterly false. Grunk was always going to follow James. Just a story the Franklin obsessed base created. If anything he felt Manske was better than Grunk

Why do people believe what guys say in public. Next you'll say Beau is loyal

Hansen and Peoples are the best two backs. Your judgment of Hansen while injured would be alarming if not predictable

Utterly full of crap as per usual. You are provably wrong via Grunk's own public words. Grunk stuck around long past Campbell's arrival, but Campbell made it quite clear Gronk was going to get nothing from him when he cut an extremely lucrative deal with Becht (a one-&-done x-fer) while refusing to discuss any deal or payment to keep Grunk on board. You don't keep players on the roster in this era of Professional College Football by refusing to sign them to anything whatsoever, let alone refusing to even discuss staying on-board, while you're busy signing a one-&-done extremely lucrative contract for a new starting QB! You are such a tool it's ridiculous. Krafty The Clown is at the heart of this crap-show and he deserves to be canned, TODAY, for his empty-suit, absurd handling of the past year. Let the new AD decide what to do about Campbell and the absurd L/T massively lucrative contract Krafty the Clown signed him to. Kraft could have signed Smith to an incentive-based short-term contract with no L/T guarantees and we would be in lightyears better shape than we are now stuck with a downgrade in Coach, downgrade in roster and a clown AD who is clueless as to what he is doing and in so far over his head in a Professional Football league it isn't even funny! All while paying the Coach, the team and the AD more than we did last year! You couldn't make this zero-accountabilty bs up except at PSU and its Board of self-serving Clowns since 2011.
 
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Utterly full of crap as per usual. You are provably wrong via Grunk's own public words. Grunk stuck around long past Campbell's arrival, but Campbell made it quite clear Gronk was going to get nothing from him when he cut an extremely lucrative deal with Becht (a one-&-done x-fer) while refusing to discuss any deal or payment to keep Grunk on board. You don't keep players on the roster in this era of Professional College Football by refusing to sign them to anything whatsoever, let alone refusing to even discuss staying on-board, while you're busy signing a one-&-done extremely lucrative contract for a new starting QB! You are such a tool it's ridiculous. Krafty The Clown is at the heart of this crap-show and he deserves to be canned, TODAY, for his empty-suit, absurd handling of the past year. Let the new AD decide what to do about Campbell and the absurd L/T massively lucrative contract Krafty the Clown signed him to. Kraft could have signed Smith to an incentive-based short-term contract with no L/T guarantees and we would be in lightyears better shape than we are now stuck with a downgrade in Coach, downgrade in roster and a clown AD who is clueless as to what he is doing and in so far over his head in a Professional Football league it isn't even funny! All while paying the Coach, the team and the AD more than we did last year! You couldn't make this zero-accountabilty bs up except at PSU and its Board of self-serving Clowns since 2011.
Can people stop believing what is said "in public"?
Those that know have all said Grunk was leaving--ESPN's article about Beau also hints heavily at this
Lucrative deal with Becht? lol
You have no idea what you're talking about--per usual
 

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Grunk was never going to stay--it was never Grunk or Rocco
Not saying Rocco's been good but his QBR is 13 points higher than Grunk's so far.
Neither is elite
We have another QB on the roster that MC believes in
Had Campbell not announced he was bringing Becht to provide leadership etc. yes, Grunkemeyer was very interested in staying. There was a decent amount of consternation over Campbell announcing he was going to be doing things the Penn State way then making the announcement bypassing the Penn State player responsible for turning last season around. Prior to the Campbell announcement, it was wait and see with Grunkemeyer who most definitely wanted to remain with the program.

Campbell forced the hand of Grunemeyer to look elsewhere.
 
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Had Campbell not announced he was bringing Becht to provide leadership etc. yes, Grunkemeyer was very interested in staying. There was a decent amount of consternation over Campbell announcing he was going to be doing things the Penn State way then making the announcement bypassing the Penn State player responsible for turning last season around. Prior to the Campbell announcement, it was wait and see with Grunkemeyer who most definitely wanted to remain with the program.

Campbell forced the hand of Grunemeyer to look elsewhere.
He was not interested in staying--you don't have to believe me--this is not an opinion but you're welcome to your opinion without knowing. The only way he would have even thought about it was if it was Smith and even then he was still likely gone. The moment MC was announced he was gone.
 

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Can people stop believing what is said "in public"?
Those that know have all said Grunk was leaving--ESPN's article about Beau also hints heavily at this
Lucrative deal with Becht? lol
You have no idea what you're talking about--per usual

You're such a pos moron a-hole, it's beyond ridiculous. Your - don't listen to what the actual person has unequivocally stated publicly.... listen to my a-hole bs, because I know what he was doing and he's a liar saying he wanted to stay but Campbell wouldn't have it (your bs ad populus "everybody in the know like me" is the biggest weak-sauce bs you've brought yet.). You are such an a-hole clownboy, it's just ridiculous.
 
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You're such a pos moron a-hole, it's beyond ridiculous. Your - don't listen to what the actual person has unequivocally stated publicly.... listen to my a-hole bs, because I know what he was doing and he's a liar saying he wanted to stay but Campbell wouldn't have it (your bs ad populus "everybody in the know like me" is the biggest weak-sauce bs you've brought yet.). You are such an a-hole clownboy, it's just ridiculous.
Oh no--a JoeBot is yelling at me
Do you always believe everything people say in public? Even you can't be that naive.
He's not a liar--he's handling things as he has to for PR
You don't have to believe me--ask those that know
 

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He was not interested in staying--you don't have to believe me--this is not an opinion but you're welcome to your opinion without knowing. The only way he would have even thought about it was if it was Smith and even then he was still likely gone. The moment MC was announced he was gone.

It is an opinion, you insufferable jackwad. Not only is it an opinion, but it is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE what Grunk has publicly stated so you are calling Grunk a liar. You are some kind of pos douchebag, pal.
 

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It is an opinion, you insufferable jackwad. Not only is it an opinion, but it is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE what Grunk has publicly stated so you are calling Grunk a liar. You are some kind of pos douchebag, pal.
Not an opinion--he was just handling his PR responsibilities
Beau is the liar--Grunk just was paying lip service to Penn State
 

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Utterly full of crap as per usual. You are provably wrong via Grunk's own public words. Grunk stuck around long past Campbell's arrival, but Campbell made it quite clear Gronk was going to get nothing from him when he cut an extremely lucrative deal with Becht (a one-&-done x-fer) while refusing to discuss any deal or payment to keep Grunk on board. You don't keep players on the roster in this era of Professional College Football by refusing to sign them to anything whatsoever, let alone refusing to even discuss staying on-board, while you're busy signing a one-&-done extremely lucrative contract for a new starting QB! You are such a tool it's ridiculous. Krafty The Clown is at the heart of this crap-show and he deserves to be canned, TODAY, for his empty-suit, absurd handling of the past year. Let the new AD decide what to do about Campbell and the absurd L/T massively lucrative contract Krafty the Clown signed him to. Kraft could have signed Smith to an incentive-based short-term contract with no L/T guarantees and we would be in lightyears better shape than we are now stuck with a downgrade in Coach, downgrade in roster and a clown AD who is clueless as to what he is doing and in so far over his head in a Professional Football league it isn't even funny! All while paying the Coach, the team and the AD more than we did last year! You couldn't make this zero-accountabilty bs up except at PSU and its Board of self-serving Clowns since 2011.

Yup. As usual.

Reminds me of the scenario where two directors are competing for a VP job. The person that doesn't get the nod goes away.
 

Tgar

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He was not interested in staying--you don't have to believe me--this is not an opinion but you're welcome to your opinion without knowing. The only way he would have even thought about it was if it was Smith and even then he was still likely gone. The moment MC was announced he was gone.
Yeah, no.
 
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Campbell made his choice, Grunk made his. IF you want to place blame, both deserve some. I don’t blame either. Each made what they thought was best decision. Hindsight is hell of a drug. 🤪
 
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He was not interested in staying--you don't have to believe me--this is not an opinion but you're welcome to your opinion without knowing. The only way he would have even thought about it was if it was Smith and even then he was still likely gone. The moment MC was announced he was gone.
Both getting $2M?
 

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Is there a Cliffs Notes version of this post available?
I asked AI to summarize his post:

Here is a clear, structured summary of what the poster is saying, broken down into his main arguments:

1. Modern College Football is a Professional Sport
  • Unrestricted Free Agency: The author argues that college football is no longer an amateur game. Because players and coaches can move freely via the transfer portal, it must be run like a professional league.
  • Evaluation Over Recruiting: The idea that a coach needs multiple years to "recruit and build a program" is outdated. Success now depends entirely on immediate talent evaluation and smart resource management.

2. A Costly Overpayment for Worse Talent
  • Coaching & Roster Downgrade: The poster believes Penn State paid a financial premium to bring in head coach Matt Campbell, but the results on the field and the quality of the roster have significantly worsened.
  • The Quarterback Disconnect: The primary example of bad talent evaluation is at quarterback. The poster is furious that Campbell chose to spend massive resources to bring in Rocco Becht (whom they view as a physical downgrade with only one year of eligibility left) while pushing out Ethan Grunkemeyer. Grunkemeyer wanted to stay, had multiple years of eligibility left, was cheaper, and is viewed by the author as the superior talent.

3. Total Blame Placed on Athletic Director Pat Kraft
  • Financial Waste: Penn State operates with a massive top-tier athletic budget of $50 to $75 million. The poster claims Pat Kraft is completely mismanaging these finite resources by overpaying for a "trainwreck."
  • Creation of a Bad Culture: Kraft is accused of creating an environment entirely lacking in accountability for big-money decision-making.

4. Direct Call to Action
  • Immediate Firing: The poster demands that Penn State’s University President hold a press conference to fire Pat Kraft immediately and launch a search for a competent general manager.
  • Alumni Ultimatum: The author concludes with a warning: if the administration does not hold Kraft accountable and replace him today, the university will lose the financial and moral support of its alumni network.
 
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