“Religious Mission”

[HugoHugo]

A couple truths:

1. As they say, don’t hate the player - hate the game.

2. Iowas roster is not in a position to take advantage of the mission exemption.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

You surely understand that even religious folks do not respect using religion as a crutch for their own personal greed/gain. It's not above questioning the good faith and timing.

Either use the mission prior to enrollment- bridge between HS to college or make it count against them if used any other time once enrollment has started. Only then would us fans respect their sacrfice.

Religion loses nothing pulling this stunt. At least if its the military exception they possibly risk their lives for the country. Henckel is certainly no Nile Kinnick or Ted Williams.

You are assuming the worst motives without knowing the motives. So be it.

But this idea that only missions with timing that satisfies you based on your partisanship (yes, I am also assuming the worst motives without knowing the motives) is just ridiculous. Either missions are allowed or they are not. Timing has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact the Mormon church does not even allow missions prior to turning 18.

As for risk, tell that to the missionaries. My former CEO died from a disease he contracted while on a mission trip. There is risk, but so what. The NCAA does not allow this because of risk. They allow it because of service.

 

[A Fistful of Hawkeyes]

I'm religious and a man of deep faith, so I don't want to criticize or overanalyze anyone answering a call, but man the timing of this interesting - and I think that's where most people are at right now - regardless of their view on faith.

Were these guys enrolled at PSU during this fall semester? If so, then I feel like the clock should be ticking since half the season takes place during the first semester. I get that missions will never line up perfectly with classes and athletics, but I also feel it's gaming the system. We're over a month into official team practices and 2 weeks into formal competition and just now this is being kicked into gear? Okay.

Lastly, I have two big questions that I think are valid:
1. Were they going to start and decided to answer the call anyways?
2. Was it their idea or was it presented to them from the coaching staff?

Personally, I think questions #2 is the bigger and more important question, but unfortunately we'll never get an answer to that.

 

[Gusaford1]

I doubt it , but have you ever considered some of these guys have lives off the mat and might have faith.

Who knows? You will never know.

Well, that's a convincing answer.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

I'm religious and a man of deep faith, so I don't want to criticize or overanalyze anyone answering a call, but man the timing of this interesting - and I think that's where most people are at right now - regardless of their view on faith.

Were these guys enrolled at PSU during this fall semester? If so, then I feel like the clock should be ticking since half the season takes place during the first semester. I get that missions will never line up perfectly with classes and athletics, but I also feel it's gaming the system. We're over a month into official team practices and 2 weeks into formal competition and just now this is being kicked into gear? Okay.

Lastly, I have two big questions that I think are valid:
1. Were they going to start and decided to answer the call anyways?
2. Was it their idea or was it presented to them from the coaching staff?

Personally, I think questions #2 is the bigger and more important question, but unfortunately we'll never get an answer to that.

Agreed, we will never get an answer to that.

As for timing, we also do not know that. We only know when we were told, not when they decided or acted. Sanderson never said a word about the lineup before then, including that Ono was on the roster, or Blaze was going 141. He never says anything until the last minute, and sometimes not even then.

 

[PSU Mike]

My sense is that this is a direct result of Cael’s frustration with the eligibility chaos that’s rampant (Haines, Ono, Jax training in Stilly, etc).

 

[mvattivo]

why do I suspect the only Cael you talk to is the poster you have of him on your bedroom ceiling?

How did you know? Busted!

 

[AndreTheHawk]

You surely understand that even religious folks do not respect using religion as a crutch for their own personal greed/gain. It's not above questioning the good faith and timing.

Either use the mission prior to enrollment- bridge between HS to college or make it count against them if used any other time once enrollment has started. Only then would us fans respect their sacrfice.

Religion loses nothing pulling this stunt. At least if its the military exception they possibly risk their lives for the country. Henckel is certainly no Nile Kinnick or Ted Williams.

Slightly OT..................I don't know if you're a great mind or not, but there's a thread on the Football board recently concerning a reporter suggesting WR Jeremiah Smith of Ohio State quitting mid season "so he doesn't get hurt" before the NFL Draft. So basically quitting on his Team (a Team that will have plenty of other players get drafted next year as per normal BTW, no mention of them however...........).

The first two names I thought of during that topic were also...........Nile Kinnick and Ted Williams. I don't think any further explanation is necessary.

Anyway, now back to anxiously awaiting Carl's next move to circumvent the system..........which is amazing considering he has zero reason to do so. He's spent a couple of decades telling everyone who he is, I think it's well past time we all believe him..........

 

[mvattivo]

Agreed, we will never get an answer to that.

As for timing, we also do not know that. We only know when we were told, not when they decided or acted. Sanderson never said a word about the lineup before then, including that Ono was on the roster, or Blaze was going 141. He never says anything until the last minute, and sometimes not even then.

We have our answer. Cael demanded that they go!

 

[el dub]

I’m having a tough time figuring out how this warrants getting out of the 5/5 rule. If their faith is so important, wouldn’t these athletes gladly give up that 5th year for a mission?

 

[BroncHawk]

We have our answer. Cael demanded that they go!

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What a waste of water

You, not the AI generated photo.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Bro, they aren’t Mormon no matter how much you try to get AI to agree with you.

I'm not necessarily saying they are Mormon, I'm saying it's likely that they are but other religions can qualify if it meet certain criteria.

If you are Mormon, this is a part of something that you have to do between 18 and 25 so that's the most likely answer. But it's not the only answer.

Either

Well, that's a convincing answer.

cell? How are you gonna know if people are doing something for this reason or not reason? It requires mind reading. Now when I first heard about this was yesterday so I asked Grok about the rules. They appeared to think they were probably Mormon because the LDS church has an established missionary program and like I said young men are supposed to do a mission somewhere between 18 and 25.

Now I don't know if they are Mormon, and if they're not, and they are somehow still doing this, their church would have to meet whatever rules the NCAA has in place.

mind reading and assume a motive or considered logical fallacies. Because there's no way you could discern the true models or intentions.

I’m having a tough time figuring out how this warrants getting out of the 5/5 rule. If their faith is so important, wouldn’t these athletes gladly give up that 5th year for a mission?

Why do so in the NCAA already has a rule in place that allows this?

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Slightly OT..................I don't know if you're a great mind or not, but there's a thread on the Football board recently concerning a reporter suggesting WR Jeremiah Smith of Ohio State quitting mid season "so he doesn't get hurt" before the NFL Draft. So basically quitting on his Team (a Team that will have plenty of other players get drafted next year as per normal BTW, no mention of them however...........).

The first two names I thought of during that topic were also...........Nile Kinnick and Ted Williams. I don't think any further explanation is necessary.

Anyway, now back to anxiously awaiting Carl's next move to circumvent the system..........which is amazing considering he has zero reason to do so. He's spent a couple of decades telling everyone who he is, I think it's well past time we all believe him..........

How does Ted Williams relate to this? From what I understand, he gave up close to six years of his major league baseball career for military service. He wasn't a college student at the time it had nothing to do with his eligibility. As for Nile Kinnick , I don't know his story so I can't comment on that.

 

[UNIHawk]

How does Ted Williams relate to this? From what I understand, he gave up close to six years of his major league baseball career for military service. He wasn't a college student at the time it had nothing to do with his eligibility. As for Nile Kinnick , I don't know his story so I can't comment on that.

Perhaps sacrifice vs benefit. Perhaps sincerity vs fraudulence.

 

[namenoonechose]

Many religions have missions. Also Mormon missions are 2 years . Cael said in his press conference 1 year. See if GROK can help you with that one

Mormon missions are 2 years
Lessmon missions are only 1 year

 

[IRON HAWK]

WOW!!!!

Some of you really/ honestly want to try and make this out for something other then it is???? For the love of GOD!!!!

Let me try it again. The SCUMBAG aka the GR8 Krailure is NOTHING more then a LARGE POS!!!! Some want to give him a pass for "gaming the system" using FatMoneyMans dough to bring in 5Xs more recruits then anyone else!!!!

It AMAZES me the STUPIDITY that todays world is!!!!!

This is just more of the BS that this PRICK has come up with to do his best to drive wrestling to extinction!!! These Wrestlers( at least wanna be) should be WRESTLING for some other team!!!

So STOP sugar coating EVERY darn thing!!! Just say it how it is. F*** st and those involved are COCKROACHES!!! They will do everything and ANYTHING to cheat/lie/ steal !!!! Where is the POS ncaa on this????? I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

I mean a guy like the BULL for example. You saw it, heard it etc.... and if it was a wrestler like him, you might say, OK I get it kinda?!?!?!? BUTTs these F*** st guys?????? I bet you in less then a week I could BLOW UP the whole darn thing!!!! Where do they go to church? What church were they brought up in? Have they been going to church all along? where? Start with <<<<< this!!!!

 

[JoeBagobagels]

WOW!!!!

Some of you really/ honestly want to try and make this out for something other then it is???? For the love of GOD!!!!

Let me try it again. The SCUMBAG aka the GR8 Krailure is NOTHING more then a LARGE POS!!!! Some want to give him a pass for "gaming the system" using FatMoneyMans dough to bring in 5Xs more recruits then anyone else!!!!

It AMAZES me the STUPIDITY that todays world is!!!!!

This is just more of the BS that this PRICK has come up with to do his best to drive wrestling to extinction!!! These Wrestlers( at least wanna be) should be WRESTLING for some other team!!!

So STOP sugar coating EVERY darn thing!!! Just say it how it is. F*** st and those involved are COCKROACHES!!! They will do everything and ANYTHING to cheat/lie/ steal !!!! Where is the POS ncaa on this????? I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

I mean a guy like the BULL for example. You saw it, heard it etc.... and if it was a wrestler like him, you might say, OK I get it kinda?!?!?!? BUTTs these F*** st guys?????? I bet you in less then a week I could BLOW UP the whole darn thing!!!! Where do they go to church? What church were they brought up in? Have they been going to church all along? where? Start with <<<<< this!!!!

Up your meds

 

[sdvike]

A couple truths:

1. As they say, don’t hate the player - hate the game.

2. Iowas roster is not in a position to take advantage of the mission exemption.

Maybe, maybe. I heard Mocco has been seen carrying a Bible in his book bag.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Perhaps sacrifice vs benefit. Perhaps sincerity vs fraudulence.

Again, assuming motive and mind reading our lapses in critical thinking. You do not know why these guys are doing it. And it's still a bad comparison because Ted Williams was a professional athlete at that time.

His eligibility was only limited by his ability to play. And one could argue that fighting in a world war might be a little bit more necessary than going on a religious mission.

 

[IRON HAWK]

Oh I am sorry, forgot to add. How does this "mission" affect the 30 man roster????? Oh yea SIR IRON....... I didn't think of that????? NOT about just 2 guys anymore now is it???? DUH!!!!

 

[masterhawk74]

You are assuming the worst motives without knowing the motives. So be it.

But this idea that only missions with timing that satisfies you based on your partisanship (yes, I am also assuming the worst motives without knowing the motives) is just ridiculous. Either missions are allowed or they are not. Timing has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact the Mormon church does not even allow missions prior to turning 18.

As for risk, tell that to the missionaries. My former CEO died from a disease he contracted while on a mission trip. There is risk, but so what. The NCAA does not allow this because of risk. They allow it because of service.

As ridiculous a look as it is, nobody should question the integrity of it because it satisfies you based on your partisanship?

 

[UNIHawk]

Again, assuming motive and mind reading our lapses in critical thinking. You do not know why these guys are doing it. And it's still a bad comparison because Ted Williams was a professional athlete at that time.

His eligibility was only limited by his ability to play. And one could argue that fighting in a world war might be a little bit more necessary than going on a religious mission.

Actually I do know why they are doing it; to save eligibility. How do I know this? The names involved and the timing. You know it too.

 

[sdvike]

We have our answer. Cael demanded that they go!

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Cael, his advisors, compliance and financial backers ultimately decided how this was going down.

 

[UNIHawk]

As ridiculous a look as it is, nobody should question the integrity of it because it satisfies you based on your partisanship?

I hope no one on here questioned Smollet’s integrity when that went down based on logic and common sense.

 

[mac119]

I'm religious and a man of deep faith, so I don't want to criticize or overanalyze anyone answering a call, but man the timing of this interesting - and I think that's where most people are at right now - regardless of their view on faith.

Were these guys enrolled at PSU during this fall semester? If so, then I feel like the clock should be ticking since half the season takes place during the first semester. I get that missions will never line up perfectly with classes and athletics, but I also feel it's gaming the system. We're over a month into official team practices and 2 weeks into formal competition and just now this is being kicked into gear? Okay.

Lastly, I have two big questions that I think are valid:
1. Were they going to start and decided to answer the call anyways?
2. Was it their idea or was it presented to them from the coaching staff?

Personally, I think questions #2 is the bigger and more important question, but unfortunately we'll never get an answer to that.

I think this sums it up pretty good, but I’ll add one thing.

If it is true that these two decided to do this on their own, I think it’s a great thing for them. However, participating in a religious mission is generally not just a whim. It is typically a very large commitment. Most people who are serious enough about religion to go into missionary work of an extended time period are usually already spreading faith in everyday life.

People do that in different ways, but with today’s younger people, it is likely there are a lot of religious references in the social media if they are active in that medium. What they post is usually what is important to them.

Again, I will stop short of saying that applies to everyone in this situation. But if you can’t find any religious relationship online, it just makes the situation more suspicious.

 

[el dub]

I'm not necessarily saying they are Mormon, I'm saying it's likely that they are but other religions can qualify if it meet certain criteria.

If you are Mormon, this is a part of something that you have to do between 18 and 25 so that's the most likely answer. But it's not the only answer.

Either

cell? How are you gonna know if people are doing something for this reason or not reason? It requires mind reading. Now when I first heard about this was yesterday so I asked Grok about the rules. They appeared to think they were probably Mormon because the LDS church has an established missionary program and like I said young men are supposed to do a mission somewhere between 18 and 25.

Now I don't know if they are Mormon, and if they're not, and they are somehow still doing this, their church would have to meet whatever rules the NCAA has in place.

mind reading and assume a motive or considered logical fallacies. Because there's no way you could discern the true models or intentions.


Why do so in the NCAA already has a rule in place that allows this?

Because the rules changed. But in my mind, the intent remains the same. They wanted 5 years to wrestle 4 and still get that under 5/5.

 

[el dub]

WOW!!!!

Some of you really/ honestly want to try and make this out for something other then it is???? For the love of GOD!!!!

Let me try it again. The SCUMBAG aka the GR8 Krailure is NOTHING more then a LARGE POS!!!! Some want to give him a pass for "gaming the system" using FatMoneyMans dough to bring in 5Xs more recruits then anyone else!!!!

It AMAZES me the STUPIDITY that todays world is!!!!!

This is just more of the BS that this PRICK has come up with to do his best to drive wrestling to extinction!!! These Wrestlers( at least wanna be) should be WRESTLING for some other team!!!

So STOP sugar coating EVERY darn thing!!! Just say it how it is. F*** st and those involved are COCKROACHES!!! They will do everything and ANYTHING to cheat/lie/ steal !!!! Where is the POS ncaa on this????? I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

I mean a guy like the BULL for example. You saw it, heard it etc.... and if it was a wrestler like him, you might say, OK I get it kinda?!?!?!? BUTTs these F*** st guys?????? I bet you in less then a week I could BLOW UP the whole darn thing!!!! Where do they go to church? What church were they brought up in? Have they been going to church all along? where? Start with <<<<< this!!!!

WOW. You question kids for not wearing religion on their sleeves? Is that what it’s come to? It’s a messed up rule/exemption to me. That would be the issue.

 

[UNIHawk]

A couple truths:

1. As they say, don’t hate the player - hate the game.

2. Iowas roster is not in a position to take advantage of the mission exemption.

Regarding 1. I applaud you for calling this for what it is.

Regarding 2. Largely right but Mocco sure could use a 2 year "mission". Calkins maybe??

 

[MALOS]

Wh

Why can't they do their mission after their wrestling eligibility is up? This is so obvious, it is not funny.

Will their mission end abruptly if someone gets hurt and 174 or Hwt?

 

[mcpat]

I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

What do you recall them showing/talking about?

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

As ridiculous a look as it is, nobody should question the integrity of it because it satisfies you based on your partisanship?

It is no secret I am proudly a PSU fan, but I can separate the issue from the institution. And I have in the past. Before I knew these boards existed I was a vocal and constant supporter of DeSanto when he tapped out of the RBY match arguing that in a sport where everyone is injured at some point the most likely explanation for him saying he was injured was that he was injured. That included arguing against PSU fans on TheMat. More recently, I was a vocal supporter of the Iowa wrestlers who got suspended for gambling violations, both here and on BWI.

I call them as I see them and I do not propose sweeping rule changes based on a single situation at a non-PSU school because I have jumped to conclusions about motives. I get that this is an echo chamber (just as BWI is an echo chamber) so it is easy to believe the worst when you are surrounded by assumptions stated as facts over and over, but sometimes don't take the easy path.

I am not saying anyone's motives were pure. I am saying that in spite of the many people here who are certain they were not, they have not the first clue if they are correct.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Will their mission end abruptly if someone gets hurt and 174 or Hwt?

Henckel and Mirasola will not be enrolled while they are on mission. It is prohibited by NCAA rules. If an injury happens after the start of the second semester it seems unlikely they could enroll, though I do not know those rules.

 

[Hawx224]

It is no secret I am proudly a PSU fan, but I can separate the issue from the institution. And I have in the past. Before I knew these boards existed I was a vocal and constant supporter of DeSanto when he tapped out of the RBY match arguing that in a sport where everyone is injured at some point the most likely explanation for him saying he was injured was that he was injured. That included arguing against PSU fans on TheMat. More recently, I was a vocal supporter of the Iowa wrestlers who got suspended for gambling violations, both here and on BWI.

I call them as I see them and I do not propose sweeping rule changes based on a single situation at a non-PSU school because I have jumped to conclusions about motives. I get that this is an echo chamber (just as BWI is an echo chamber) so it is easy to believe the worst when you are surrounded by assumptions stated as facts over and over, but sometimes don't take the easy path.

I am not saying anyone's motives were pure. I am saying that in spite of the many people here who are certain they were not, they have not the first clue if they are correct.

You’re a good poster and I’m sure you believe what you’re saying, but talking about not jumping to conclusions or assuming motives in this case just strikes me as nonsense. We’ve all seen similar things across many different institutions and sports. I don’t think the annoyance, at least for me, is even largely because it’s at PSU. It’s just the latest example of what college athletics has become, and it’s sad

 

[Corby2]

Will their mission end abruptly if someone gets hurt and 174 or Hwt?

You know what would happen God would say they needed to return to college at semester. It's a rule and for some reason he's never afraid to use them while others fall further behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are needing ink ribbons for the typewriter
You use the rules to your advantage or you get left behind.

 

[GLC1969]

WOW!!!!

Some of you really/ honestly want to try and make this out for something other then it is???? For the love of GOD!!!!

Let me try it again. The SCUMBAG aka the GR8 Krailure is NOTHING more then a LARGE POS!!!! Some want to give him a pass for "gaming the system" using FatMoneyMans dough to bring in 5Xs more recruits then anyone else!!!!

It AMAZES me the STUPIDITY that todays world is!!!!!

This is just more of the BS that this PRICK has come up with to do his best to drive wrestling to extinction!!! These Wrestlers( at least wanna be) should be WRESTLING for some other team!!!

So STOP sugar coating EVERY darn thing!!! Just say it how it is. F*** st and those involved are COCKROACHES!!! They will do everything and ANYTHING to cheat/lie/ steal !!!! Where is the POS ncaa on this????? I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

I mean a guy like the BULL for example. You saw it, heard it etc.... and if it was a wrestler like him, you might say, OK I get it kinda?!?!?!? BUTTs these F*** st guys?????? I bet you in less then a week I could BLOW UP the whole darn thing!!!! Where do they go to church? What church were they brought up in? Have they been going to church all along? where? Start with <<<<< this!!!!

I dont agree with what Penn St is doing. I would like to know why you would question someone’s faith. Not every person is out front in their faith. its very personal to most people. If its a scam to keep them around longer its terrible. If this is their true faith we should have no problem with it.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

You know what would happen God would say they needed to return to college at semester. It's a rule and for some reason he's never afraid to use them while others fall further behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are needing ink ribbons for the typewriter
You use the rules to your advantage or you get left behind.

I don’t buy this. Everybody knew the rules and that they could do this. He’s just the one scummy enough to open the floodgates.

 

[BroncHawk]

Up your meds

Pretty sure he’s already maxed out

 

[IndianaHawk98]

You know what would happen God would say they needed to return to college at semester. It's a rule and for some reason he's never afraid to use them while others fall further behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are needing ink ribbons for the typewriter
You use the rules to your advantage or you get left behind.

Well, Paul Kenny, Mocco, and Joey Bachmann better get those evangelical gifts ready for a mission trip next year.

 

[grapplefan]

Holy sh*t...literally.

Just happens to be the two guys they need to get extra years.

Amazing coincidence.

 

[grapplefan]

You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

Some spend time complaining less about how religious they are, but more about how self-righteous they are.
However, many complain about Carl's manipulation of the system. We get it. It's all legal, and he's very good at it. Congrats.