really people whining about this,schools have been doing this for decades in all sports!!!
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Maybe it has happened, but Google couldn't give me a single example of an NCAA athlete that has gotten their eligibility frozen due to a religious mission not related to the LDS church. I know enough about LDS missions to understand it isn't generally a benefit to athletic development, but this specific situation really does appear to be new territory and the timing is oddly perfect to benefit PSU wrestling. It's totally within the rules, but if I wasn't a PSU wrestling fan, I'd look at it differently. Will be interesting to see if it (non-LDS missions for NCAA athletes) becomes more prevalent with all these new eligibility rules.
Missions are done with other religions but it's not really talked about as much as Mormon missions. In the past with RS and medical RS it just wasn't happening with athletes besides Mormons. The rule has always read official religious missions. I think the issue the wrestling world is having is that many Penn st fans are acting like this is totally normal. Everyone knows what this is let's just call it what it is. Henckel is hurt and cant compete so he's taking a mission medical. These guys were enrolled and drop classes is my understanding so this wasn't planned in August. Cole is being beat by his brother and can't get in the line up. I posted June 23 what would happen so this doesn't surprise me any. What is ridiculous to me is the other 78 D1 coaches who are afraid to use the rules
From what I know, the Mormon Church encourages young men and women to take on mission work, more so than other faiths. I looked it up, and discovered that 32% take a mission assignment. I assume this "internet info" is correct, and if so is far and above what other denominations do though I am aware of other faith-based mission work.
That aside, I took the time this morning to read HR and the posts here and learned a good bit. Just ignore the snarkiness and the posts from the one-percenters (which frankly make up over half of the discussion) and there are points made in both forums that I haven't thought about. I feel, like you, that this move is within the rules, so any angst about it gets a big MEH from me. Timing is suspect, but who cares, both young men have strong faiths, so that legitimizes the mission to a large degree. I don't believe this story is over yet, the end has yet to be written.
Exactly it's a rule and it's legal. You use the rules to your advantage. It was smart and I knew the minute I read the rule that Cael would use it immediately
Well aware that other religions have missions, but can you find an NCAA athlete that took one and (as a result) was able to freeze their eligibility? With a quick Google search, I couldn't, but there are hundreds of LDS ones every single year (I know several dozen people personally who have done it). Henckel was going to miss the season anyway due to injury, but the timing for Mirasola is oddly perfect. I can certainly understand other programs looking at this situation side-eyed.
I don't believe other coaches are afraid to use these rules, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. It's customary for those of the LDS faith, but otherwise can't be too easy to convince someone to take a year or two off from school and sports with little benefit to them...unless there is a financial benefit (which I am still not sure is possible). I'm sitting around watching if this becomes a thing.
Other schools won't use this exemption often because they don't have AA level second or third stringers for the most part. At most programs, backups are backups for a reason, an extra year, especially one without being part of the team, isn't going to turn them into national champions. At Penn State, and even Ok State, some backups are backups because a national champion contender is at the weight.
Name a backup at Iowa that would gain an advantage by taking a season off.
Name a backup at Iowa that would gain an advantage by taking a season off.
NCAA eligibility extension waivers and leaves of absence are processed internally through university compliance departments directly to the NCAA national office. Unless an athlete or their university issues a press release—which usually only happens when an athlete is a high-profile recruit or a prominent starter stepping away—waiver records are protected educational records under federal privacy laws (FERPA).
Willie made a great comment on Baschamania podcast when he referred to PSU as Holy Rollers due their strength in faith and you can't get mad at them when they practice what they preach.
Or assigned to Chaplin Corps as enlisted personnel because of religious experience. BTW I don’t know if Cael is Mormon but he is from Utah so I trust Cael to know.
Mormon missions as you know are serious and not done to extend eligibility. Neither athlete will be doing a Mormon mission is my understanding. No other religions that I'm aware of have made missions the norm . I'm not aware of any athlete who wasn't Mormon doing a mission.Most understand why it's being done but that doesn't mean the NCAA wants to be fighting about religion in court. As long as the church fills out the proper paperwork the NCAA won't say a word.
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A recruit that's never wrestled a college match? If he does great this season, that would be applicable but it isn't currently.
It applies. top ten recruit. 2 years to sit behind Keuter.
Or they don't have a culture enveloped in many faith based wrestlers. As willy said this morning you can't ***** about psu wrestlers talking about God all the time and ***** that they take faith based missions
you ain't heard nuthin...try listening to the International Bluegrass Musicians Association annual award show...
He's related to Taylor . And Crookham was leaving and looking around. He's supported Northern Colorado as well . Those are just the ones I know of could be more. That's why when people give him crap it makes me mad because most people have no clue what he does for wrestling. And he's not making a big deal about it and wanting attention for it either. He's a fan like we are
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So, they join the army and can be sent to an episode of MASH?? That's wild!!!!
Ski just wanted to use the word FERPA in a sentence today.
When the Peace Corps was a thing back in the 60's and 70's they allowed student athletes to "freeze" a year. For those of you from the old board that remember "Pitteefool" (he's since passed on), he did a tour in Nam,came back to the states and wrestled at a division II school and joined the peace corps for a year and was then able to come back and finish his final year of wrestling. Again, that was back in the early 70's rules may have changed since then.
I wasn't certain you were actually Mormon, but as time has passed and you have proclaimed it and talked about the LDS incessantly I can say that it tracks.
* Don't take it too serious, y'all just occasionally get a little...vocal about it. Lol
I think this is much ado about nothing. Both kids are backups this year for sure and maybe indefinitely into the future. If anything PSU could be risking some injury insurance.
That said I think the intent of the exemption is legitimate, but in the future the NCAA should limit it to incoming freshmen only.
That seems like a reasonable accommodation for both the proper use as well as some valid concerns.
That said I think the intent of the exemption is legitimate, but in the future the NCAA should limit it to incoming freshmen only.
That seems like a reasonable accommodation for both the proper use as well as some valid concerns.
I am almost certain I've never mentioned it on this board before the last few days, on two threads that discussed Henckel and Mirasola going on a religious mission (which devolved into discussing LDS missions - something I obviously have some insight about). Interesting that is your take, but it's not something I discuss almost at all in real life. Guarantee if we met in person you'd never guess I was LDS; let's just say I don't fit the stereotypes.
We’ll know it’s serious when the thread approaches the Grothus thread in length!
Their one Teasdale thread surpassed the Grothus saga. Eventually an AJ thread took the lead.
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