Word is that SPD is raiding….

Lucifer Morningstar

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It is legal. You just have to be able to tell a doctor with a straight face your back hurts or you have crippling anxiety. It’s not a lie if you believe it.
I did not even have to do that. All I said to get my card was that I once played college football, and that was enough. Whole meeting took all of five minutes. It is a recreational program.
 

Lucifer Morningstar

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It’s a fee based recreational program. There is a difference.
Ok. It is still a recreational program hiding under the idea of being a medical one. Honestly, the fees are not bad at all and are much less than I was paying on the illegal market for the same products. These dispensaries offer all kinds of discounts, and it is kind of nice not to have to look over your shoulder for the cops.
 

She Mate Me

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Media (news and social) is obscuring an important distinction -- surprise! -- by calling the substance causing these raids (and likely the situation in Oxford) 'Kratom' in a blanket fashion.

Kratom is not banned by the state of MS. It's the leaf from a natural plant grown in SE Asia. It can be sold in loose-leaf form for brewing tea or in capsule/powder. Less than 1% of its content is a naturally occurring active alkaloid/ingredient called mitragynine (important for the next paragraph). You find natural Kratom products in many places (yes, including gas stations)...but it's legal and objectively is far less dangerous than alcohol when reviewing medical and safety data.

What is actually banned in many states (including MS) is 7-OH(7-hydroxymitragynine) which is an extremely potent synthetic opioid product derived from Kratom that takes that active ingredient from natural kratom (where it is at less than 1% level) and makes it 100% of the product. It is apparently super potent and the synthesis process likely leaves a lot of room for error (poisoning).


I listened to a pretty detailed podcast on the subject of Kratom a while back.

The main takeaways I remember where..,

(1) that the terminology “Kratom” as a catch all was like calling a beer “Alcohol” and assuming it was the same as Everclear because they’re both “Alcohol”.

(2) that a lot of smart folks think some of the things that can be extracted from the Kratom leaves have some interesting and pretty positive possibilities. Just needs more study.
 

Duggar Hall Desk

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Media (news and social) is obscuring an important distinction -- surprise! -- by calling the substance causing these raids (and likely the situation in Oxford) 'Kratom' in a blanket fashion.

Kratom is not banned by the state of MS. It's the leaf from a natural plant grown in SE Asia. It can be sold in loose-leaf form for brewing tea or in capsule/powder. Less than 1% of its content is a naturally occurring active alkaloid/ingredient called mitragynine (important for the next paragraph). You find natural Kratom products in many places (yes, including gas stations)...but it's legal and objectively is far less dangerous than alcohol when reviewing medical and safety data.

What is actually banned in many states (including MS) is 7-OH(7-hydroxymitragynine) which is an extremely potent synthetic opioid product derived from Kratom that takes that active ingredient from natural kratom (where it is at less than 1% level) and makes it 100% of the product. It is apparently super potent and the synthesis process likely leaves a lot of room for error (poisoning).

Appreciate the explanation.
 

Dawgzilla2

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I did not even have to do that. All I said to get my card was that I once played college football, and that was enough. Whole meeting took all of five minutes. It is a recreational program.
Hey, Doc, it hurts when I do this

Well don't do that...or I can write you a script for weed!
 

RopeDawg

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Its something degenerates are into. Some people call it gas station heroin.

I am not an expert, but I think the dangers are in how it is manufactured and packaged - its stupid enough to put it in your body - its even worse when there is no standards. Someone in China is packaging it with who knows what. Those two young men in Oxford were found with it.
There is a massive difference in natural kratom and what they are cracking down on which is an extract called 7-oh that manufacturers found a way to make through processing Kratom leaf a certain way. 7-oh is highly dangerous and extremely powerful. Natural Kratom leaf is an awesome product that has helped a lot of people but this 7-Oh stuff is the devil’s work and undoing all the good kratom has done for people.
 
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