All of a sudden I'm concerned that overpaying for bball players will keep us from landing football players. What is this feeling?
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This is his agent driving up UNC. His bros recruitment was the same and the team everyone knew was getting him got him.
Henry's entire intention was to play the market like a fiddle since he started. It was pretty obvious when he did a weekend with Hurley, got him bought in, then sidestepped him.
The bigger question is are you so dumb that you don’t realize that I’m making fun of all the people on here that cry about everything
Yea both recruitments have played out about the same so far.
If that's his game, nothing says we have to play. In fact we're much better off not. Now all we did is tell other prospects how much we are willing to pay.
Of course we are also currently paying a guy 7 mil so everyone knows we're suckers.
Personally as a recruiter I would probably avoid Chris Henry’s son who was raised by Pac-Man Jones but that’s just me.
Cal had a HOF career prior to that. It's called equity. That can't be hard to understand. Like it or not, like him or not, Pope has never really done anything to speak of in basketball. He doesn't have a rep as a recruiter, doesn't put dudes in the NBA, and doesn't win anything of merit. That makes a big difference.
Did you watch Wilson dude would have helped our team A LOT last year. He balled out until he got hurt. He was a huge miss for us.
Yes I watched Wilson. I didn't say anything about him not being able to help UK last year, or about being or not being a huge miss for UK. Wilson WAS a huge miss for UK and the dominoes from that miss echoed through the portal season that followed and the next recruiting class, in addition to the roster construction last year. I wasn't referring to Wilson as a player.
The original response was whether or not UNC fans felt depressed about only getting Wilson to sign because they offered the most money. He was a bad example for that situation because the TEAM won nothing (4th in a weak ACC, Lost their first game in the ACC tournament to Clemson, Lost to VCU in the first round of the NCAA tournament) only won 24 games. Hubert Davis got fired for that. So was Wilson worth the money to UNC fans? Did UNC hang a banner because Wilson played well?
A better example to use may have been Mullins. We take Jasper J since he is a KY boy over the clearly better player Mullins. Jasper is in Oregon turning the ball over and Mullins is at UCONN coming off a trip to the Final 4. Or Donnie Freeman who milked us for more money and when we wouldn't go any higher, signed with ST. Johns for $3.2 and promptly got himself injured before ever suiting up. Are St. John's fans depressed at landing Freeman only because they were the highest bidder?
If you watched Wilson play he was definitely worth the money. Until he was injured he was top flight. Are you saying Mullins would have been a bust if he got injured. Teams are going to have to pay to get players now days. Just the new landscape but pay or almost for sure you will lose players. I like Pope but something is just not right.
No. That is not what I am saying... Like, at all...
A poster said They were depressed that we can only land recruits by paying the most.
Another poster responded by saying Does UNC fans feel depressed about paying the most for Wilson.
I said that Wilson was a bad example. We don't know for sure if UNC offered more than UK. UNC performed below fan expectations, even with Wilson, and their coach got fired. That's an entirely different situation that simply "landing recruits only because we pay the most." A better example would have been Mullins. We passed on Mullins and paid MORE for Jasper. That is depressing because Mullins went to a Final 4 and had a much better year than the guy we paid more for. Or a situation like Freeman, where St. John's paid the most and he got hurt without playing a single game. Those are depressing.
Again, if you were a UNC fan last year. Would you feel like the money you spent on Wilson was justified with what he accomplished for your program? Now do the same thought process as a UK fan for Jayden Quaintance.
He's got a top NFL agent working for him.
I'm honestly not sure if it's Arkansas or UNC.
Do you think if Mullins came here he was going to the final?
Your posting history says this is a lieThe bigger question is are you so dumb that you don’t realize that I’m making fun of all the people on here that cry about everything
Of course not. But if Mullins came here our turnover numbers would have been a lot better and he'd have probably helped prevent 2 or 3 losses. He was and is still MILES better than Jasper.
Last years team was poorly constructed. Swapping Mullins for Jasper wouldn't have made UK a National Runner Up. But it certainly wouldn't have made us worse.
I’m constantly ridiculing the bashers, even started a thread for them. Try reading for dummies or better yet learn to comprehend what you’re reading. Next time remove yourself from a glass house before you throw stones. Not sure you’ll know what that means.
It feels like the way to build a roster these days is with 2 strong HS kids and the portal/europe. You won't find NBA talent in the portal unless you get it really early.
At least it wouldn’t look so embarrassing. Perhaps if Pope had spent the last few seasons (like in his first portal class) recruiting guys he’s comfortable with, he wouldn’t be on the hot seat.
He definitely didn’t after that first year, but to be fair most Ky fans harped on not having enough athletic guys, he then went away from what he knew and it bit him in the ***. I think this years team is closer to the guys he’s comfortable with, but look at all the so called fans bitching about this team.
I'd be happy if they focused on ONE stud High School dude. Make him the priority, give him the bag, build the offense around him, showcase him. Prove you can put him in the league. Then build the rest of the roster out with experience and complimentary pieces and depth. It might be a rough year. But if you show recruits you are willing to build around them, put the ball in their hands, and showcase them, it leads to future recruiting success.
Not to compare him to Cal, but Cal at UMASS in 95-96 had JR Cambi and a lot of other dudes no one remembers. I know it got vacated, but they beat our 96 team first game of the season and went like 35-2 (before the vacated wins in the tournament). Cal wasn't crushing it with high school studs yet, even at Memphis (Rose), it was still pretty much one stud. And even with all the negative backlash and violations against the schools he coached, he had gained the reputation of showcasing guys and getting them in the league. Now with NIL, anyone can pay a guy. Pope needs to show he can make that guy royalty, not just a system piece.
1 could work, make it a top kid. I like a top kid, plus another 10-20 kid. I also like freshman transfers like Wilkins, that developed in college and will stick for a couple years. Then layer in the transfer guys to fill out the roster.
Why ridicule people for being upset at a subpar product? This is UK, we should be upset. Stop taking up for this fool we have as a coach.
Won't argue the NBA talent part of your statement, but to build a roster, win championships? Walter Clayton, Yaxel (heck, the whole Michigan roster), Dalton Knecht, etc.
Rosters that contend can be built many ways.
Like always he will take this offer back to UNC, they will pay it and having UK on his list pays off again.
2 of Cal's last 3 seasons we were a 2 seed and a 3 seed. And players going to the NBA. That's what saw more than anything. Not only will Cal get guys to the NBA, he will get them overdrafted. Guys looking to get to the NBA asap are not looking at the same things that fans are.
I guess I just wasn’t catching what you mean. I think the right call on Wilson would be a take. Never know about injuries. Mullins definitely turned out to be better that Jasper. In the all star games Jasper didn’t play much kinda made me mad. I guess the coaches saw the kinda player he was. JQ I think won us the Saint John game but he wasn’t worth the price we payed on his results for the year. If he got well and played for us then he was worth the price. It is a crap roll on the players coming through.
We could offer 10 and I still don’t believe pope would get him. It’s just a ploy to drive his market up.
I’d agree if he got Rancik and someone besides Zoom at PG. Not taking Rancik and getting a better fitting PG will probably bite Pope in the long run.
For one the college landscape has changed with NIL and some are living in the past and two, people refuse to acknowledge the injuries that Ky‘s had over the last 2 years. And don’t forget about the increased difficulty of schedule. For years all I heard was Ky needs to play a tougher schedule, well they do now and with tougher teams you’ll get more losses. All I’m saying is give him this year and if it doesn’t work then considered options. Lastly you‘re first comment was calling me dumb because you have a different opinion, why not just start by asking this question instead of going there first.
That Michigan roster was a wild phenomena and I credit Dusty May for one of the single best roster builds in the portal era. If you look at last years lottery it was all freshman and Michigan. All 3 really unique stories.
Because it’s incredibly dumb to say “if you don’t recruit 5 stars we’re mad” and “if we don’t get them we’re mad” well not **** this is UK. And you’re right NIL has changed the landscape, Pope should be able to win and recruit at a much higher level than he is with what he has available at his disposal.
Maybe I should have added context. There are fans on here complaining that we offer every 5 star player then they complain when we don’t get them or they complain that we over pay. The point was that it doesn’t matter the argument, they’re just complaining. When we were getting the 5 stars under Cal, the same people complained that we were relying too much on freshmen.
They seen he had some bad outs in the tournament. But the team weren't bad and he still had all his respect just like he does now. Still getting players that are franchise players.
Still sending players to the league. He was never a weirdo which was my main point.
Taking Jasper over Mullins was a huge mistake! It was obvious when Jasper looked way outclassed in the HS All-American games.
But Pope has way more issues than that. He just isn't the coach I hoped he would be.
Cal's last 4 years were 9-16, 26-8, 22-12, 23-10. so when Cal's teams had a losing record or lost 10 games or more they were not bad teams, but when Pope's teams lose 10 games they are bad teams?
Cals absolute worst years. Add in the year Noel got hurt and missed the tournament while we're at it.
Yes Cals ten loss seasons and 12 loss seasons aren't worse than Popes. Cal wasn't losing those games by double digits. Wasn't down double digits in most of his games that he won. Wasn't getting blown off the court. Was still landing top recruiting classes. He stopped winning like he was originally and BBN wanted him gone.
So yes to me Cals ten loss seasons were extremely better than Popes.
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