The disruption that Byrne & Mullen brought (and people on campus & in Starkville did not like it) had never happened & may never happen again in our lifetime.
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The disruption that Byrne & Mullen brought (and people on campus & in Starkville did not like it) had never happened & may never happen again in our lifetime.
We are M-State. No one is better at shooting themselves in the foot then we are.
I would not say it had never happened. Dr. Z overriding Templetoes and bringing in King Jackie was pretty disruptive. The difference in that and 2009 was that in the latter, the president, AD and head coach were all in alignment. BUT, that also was luck, because it was Foglesong who set that disruption in motion. So truth be told I'm not sure we've ever had straight connection from the top to bottom completely.
It’s gonna take a Forward state movement. It can be done but we have to get off our asses and make it happen. We also need to change our attitude within the fan base. That has to be done. The negative needs to go away.
I hate these blowhards that act like they completely have the pulse of the AD without being in on those conversations themselves. Jans was white hot when we hired him. O’Connor was completely disruptive. This isn’t LT and his troughs.
Our system is perfectly designed to produce the results we've received. If we don't like the results, we must change the system. It starts by emphasizing football to a degree that makes everyone uncomfortable. Already I can hear the usual suspects say that's not the MSU way. No kidding. The MSU way is constantly sucking at the one sport that pays the bills.
You know what's interesting. Since Cignetti has been at IU, I haven't heard one Indiana alum complain that their basketball tradition has gone in the toilet and they haven't been relevant in a decade or more. It's funny how football success really shines a light on how unimportant everything else is.
You know what's interesting. Since Cignetti has been at IU, I haven't heard one Indiana alum complain that their basketball tradition has gone in the toilet and they haven't been relevant in a decade or more. It's funny how football success really shines a light on how unimportant everything else is.
Most of our fan base (and administration) is comfortable with losing. That has to change.
Are you kidding? Jan’s was warm when we hired him. O’Connor was never disruptive at all.
Jans had just come off beating UCONN in the tournament and being 5 points away from upsetting the 4 seed to go to the sweet sixteen. He was a top 5 target for every school that year. For Oak. I’m no Paul Tagliabue, but If plucking a top 3 coach from a national brand team while still in his prime isn’t disruptive I don’t know what is.
Oak was very disruptive to the way MSU does things. Name any other time in our history our program alums and boosters got together and went all in on a top 5 coach in their prime? And then gave more to make sure we have the team he needs?
Football boosters are too worried about opening day of deer season to bother coming to the game....
Cohen was more disruptive than OC. OC just seemed that way because Lemon had gotten so lazy. But he's really just a continuation and improvement over what we had been doing from 2010-2021 or so.
Either way, I do agree somewhat. I think the bigger issue is that this is a uniquely football issue for us. It's like we just do not know what we're doing there.
I have never bought into the idea coaches will not come here because the last coach got fired. If a coach is losing and doesn't seem to have the ability to change it, fire him. We are SEC and coaches from around the country will step on their own dicks to get into the SEC. If you are good coach and you really believe in your ability to coach, the fact the school has fired a few people will not matter. If you scared, I don't want you. Nothing wrong with wanting to win and firing bad coaches is part of the process. We gave him a shot and he missed. Time to go. We have made a lot of coaches' rich and got nothing in return.
I don’t know. I think that has somewhat changed. But with the “old main” fans yes i agree
I agree. I don't think I want a coach who is gun shy over the previous coach being fired. I want a coach who DGAF.
I don't understand the "disruption on campus and in Starkville, and people did not like it". Byrne was the best AD we've ever had, and Mullen was at least as good a coach we've ever had. Other than them both leaving sort of abruptly, most people I know liked both of them.
Exactly. After the Croom disaster, everyone you talked to was excited the program was going in the right direction.
I will add, however, that I remember Mullin complaining about how hard it was to get athletic department employees to do ANYTHING differently than the way they had always done them.
That's the most sickening part of being a State fan, how many people are ok to lose.
I'm of the opinion that most of the people that post on this board care about football, but the majority of both our alumni and the few sidewalk fans we have, are lukewarm towards the sport. Why that is has always puzzled me.
They really are. It use to be only happy beating OM. Now its just so we get our seats, and get drunk at the games
Some State fans always have a conspiracy as to why this or that has transpired. If not for those pesky administrators sabotaging....... State's football program would rival Alabama's.****
Our fans are only lukewarm towards football because we have had such limited success. When we are worth a ****, our fans are definitely not lukewarm towards the sport.
Opening day of Dove Season.
Opening day of Pheasant Season.
Opening day of Grouse season.
Opening day of Road Kill Season
Opening day of Nutra season
Any opening day that occurs after August 30! .
Same thing happened last year, won 4, then went 1-8. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.............
Nothing improves long term until Keenum leaves .
I won’t pretend to know all the behind the scenes dealings with O’Connor, but I would guess it wasn’t all ZS. Whatever the formula was, we’re going to have to use something similar for the football coach, if we go that way. I do remember when Howland was hired, a couple of big alumni stepped in and helped guide the search. And by “helped guide,” I mean they told them who they were going to hire.
I'm done with Lebby, but Bo Bounds also wanted us to hire Barry Odom last go round. That dude is useless as a football (or sports period) expert
Unfortunately the biggest part of the formula in getting O’Connor was having one of the best baseball programs in terms of facilities, money, fanbase & history. That’s not going to work for football or basketball.
Byrne hired a long term coordinator at an elite program. Same as Georgia did when they hired Kirby Smart. That’s not the same as hiring Jeff Lebby.
They're ok to lose, as long as we beat OM. There is a very real aspect to a number of our fans being fine with 1-11 as long as the 1 is OM.
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