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FreeDawg

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You have to fire Jeff Lebby because the only argument left for keeping him is that he guarantees KT stays.

The harsh truth is that KT played heavily in 3 games last year before getting injured. He played in 4 games this year before getting injured again. That’s not KT’s fault but that’s not the point.

The hard data tells us KT hasn’t been healthy enough to justify that gamble. It’s similar to the Dolphins’ strategy of tanking for Tua.

Now, do I think all upside we have next year is tied to KT? 17 yes. No matter who the coach is. But I think we’re at a point with Lebby where the data tells us he can’t get it done without KT, and KT hasn’t finished a season healthy so that’s a rough best case sell for Lebby.

We’re also squarely in fire for economic reasons. They had a fire sale for tickets for Vandy. There won’t be 15k at Tenn Tech & 30k Auburn tops. That’s bad for business.
 
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FreeDawg said:
You have to fire Jeff Lebby because the only argument left for keeping him is that he guarantees KT stays.

The harsh truth is that KT played heavily in 3 games last year before getting injured. He played in 4 games this year before getting injured again. That’s not KT’s fault but that’s not the point.

The hard data tells us KT hasn’t been healthy enough to justify that gamble. It’s similar to the Dolphins’ strategy of tanking for Tua.

Now, do I think all upside we have next year is tied to KT? 17 yes. No matter who the coach is. But I think we’re at a point with Lebby where the data tells us he can’t get it done without KT, and KT hasn’t finished a season healthy so that’s a rough best case sell for Lebby.

We’re also squarely in fire for economic reasons. They had a fire sale for tickets for Vandy. There won’t be 15k at Tenn Tech & 30k Auburn tops. That’s bad for business.
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Taylor will almost certainly get injured again in 2027 if we allow this coach to pick the next OL recruits. One way or another K1 will be gone in two years and Lebby can’t be the guy sitting in the HC office when that happens. Getting dominated by Vandy at home in year three cannot be allowed if this administration cares about football revenue. Over the last two years here has been more support of this program than I have ever seen and Selmon stands to lose most of that for the next two or three years if he doesn’t make a move.
 
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Curby said:
Rumour is KT agreed to an NIL package for 2027, and it was with the program, not the coach, so Lebb can be shown the door Without fear of losing KT
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Heard the same thing from a very reliable source but this is nothing different than what's been said, KT is a State player not a Lebby player get rid of the mouth breather and bring in someone with at least a year of head coaching experience!
 
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Name one player under Lebby who developed and improved, I really think that they come as they are the man can't develop, can't recruit (reminder KT committed before Lebby) and as per tonight evidence can't develop an effective offensive game plan!
 
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FreeDawg said:
Man, you’re going to laugh at me but I googled Matt Balis during the game. He’s at UCONN. I don’t know what happened at ND but here, he was badass.
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Well not laughing. One of the old guard of our S&C program Chad Traver is ay Indiana now. You could watch him holding Zach's belt to keep him in the sideline during the Leach years. It's painful how our teams have gotten softer the last few seasons.
 
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Bullldawg78 said:
Name one player under Lebby who developed and improved, I really think that they come as they are the man can't develop, can't recruit (reminder KT committed before Lebby) and as per tonight evidence can't develop an effective offensive game plan!
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Wide receiver is the only position he has been able to do that with. Anthony Evans, Thompson, and Kevin Coleman all performed better here than their previous school. But to be a successful head coach you need to do that with more than one position group
 
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Bullldawg78 said:
Name one player under Lebby who developed and improved, I really think that they come as they are the man can't develop, can't recruit (reminder KT committed before Lebby) and as per tonight evidence can't develop an effective offensive game plan!
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There’s no doubt they Taylor has improved since last year and they all should credit for that. That doesn’t mean Lebby should remain as the CEO of this football program.
 
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triton28

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FreeDawg said:
You have to fire Jeff Lebby because the only argument left for keeping him is that he guarantees KT stays.

The harsh truth is that KT played heavily in 3 games last year before getting injured. He played in 4 games this year before getting injured again. That’s not KT’s fault but that’s not the point.

The hard data tells us KT hasn’t been healthy enough to justify that gamble. It’s similar to the Dolphins’ strategy of tanking for Tua.

Now, do I think all upside we have next year is tied to KT? 17 yes. No matter who the coach is. But I think we’re at a point with Lebby where the data tells us he can’t get it done without KT, and KT hasn’t finished a season healthy so that’s a rough best case sell for Lebby.

We’re also squarely in fire for economic reasons. They had a fire sale for tickets for Vandy. There won’t be 15k at Tenn Tech & 30k Auburn tops. That’s bad for business.
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I’m 45 and can’t be the only one who just learned it isn’t brass taxes
 
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Boosh

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FreeDawg said:
You have to fire Jeff Lebby because the only argument left for keeping him is that he guarantees KT stays.

The harsh truth is that KT played heavily in 3 games last year before getting injured. He played in 4 games this year before getting injured again. That’s not KT’s fault but that’s not the point.

The hard data tells us KT hasn’t been healthy enough to justify that gamble. It’s similar to the Dolphins’ strategy of tanking for Tua.

Now, do I think all upside we have next year is tied to KT? 17 yes. No matter who the coach is. But I think we’re at a point with Lebby where the data tells us he can’t get it done without KT, and KT hasn’t finished a season healthy so that’s a rough best case sell for Lebby.

We’re also squarely in fire for economic reasons. They had a fire sale for tickets for Vandy. There won’t be 15k at Tenn Tech & 30k Auburn tops. That’s bad for business.
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Haven't heard "ranking for Tua" phrase before, but man is it accurate.
 
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thekimmer

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Logically KT should be more likely to consider transferring if Lebby is retained. The man have proven he is unable to recruit a competent O-line to protect him or a capable back up if he gets hurt and he makes idiotic in-game decisions. Keeping JL signals that we are not serious about winning football at State.

That is exactly the tactic that Kiffin will use when he makes a standing offer of 1 million more than any offer we make.
 
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FreeDawg

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Boosh said:
Haven't heard "ranking for Tua" phrase before, but man is it accurate.
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As a Dolphins fan it was very much a strategy to ensure getting Tua. Then he gets horrifically hurt, in Starkville nonetheless, and they stuck to it instead of changing course. It was a massive gamble on his health that predictably went bad and set Miami back years (again).
 
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BreckyBratt said:
Gotta get some real S&C staff for this team. Seems the most unconditioned and weak teams we've ever fielded have been under Lebby and his S&C staff.
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I wish I knew what the deal was with this, because it sure seems that way. We looked fat and slow and felt injury prone (I say felt because I don't have data to prove) under Croom, Moorhead and now Lebby. When Mullen got here it looked like the team immediately got slimmer and faster. Same with Leach.

I don't know what the component of it is that changes, but I'd be curious to know. I assume they all should be doing the same basic things. What say you @grinningmule? Is this a figment of my imagination?
 
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vhdawg said:
Lol you think this year's Auburn fanbase is traveling?
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I must admit, my comment is based on "anecdotal" evidence that the AU fanbase will have more excitement coming into a game with us than we do, therefor, a greater opportunity for them to see their team

SERIOUSLY, you think this year's STATE fanbase is traveling?

LEBBY just let Vandy beat us at home
 
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FreeDawg said:
You have to fire Jeff Lebby because the only argument left for keeping him is that he guarantees KT stays.

The harsh truth is that KT played heavily in 3 games last year before getting injured. He played in 4 games this year before getting injured again. That’s not KT’s fault but that’s not the point.

The hard data tells us KT hasn’t been healthy enough to justify that gamble. It’s similar to the Dolphins’ strategy of tanking for Tua.

Now, do I think all upside we have next year is tied to KT? 17 yes. No matter who the coach is. But I think we’re at a point with Lebby where the data tells us he can’t get it done without KT, and KT hasn’t finished a season healthy so that’s a rough best case sell for Lebby.

We’re also squarely in fire for economic reasons. They had a fire sale for tickets for Vandy. There won’t be 15k at Tenn Tech & 30k Auburn tops. That’s bad for business.
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The main reasons to keep Lebby according to those who think Lebby deserves 1 more year:

1) KT MIGHT leave. Not will, might…

2) It will be easier to attract portal players and recruits because KT is on the roster

3) the team will play better when KT is available

There’s literally no reason that Lebby should continue as head coach at MSU that does not involve Kamario Taylor doing something to help mask the ineptitude of Lebby.

He’s gotta go and as you mentioned, it is an economic decision more than a football decision. Not only are you talking about decreased attendance and in turn, NIL donations, but you’re also talking about paying a $6M-$7M buyout that will be mitigated to around 4M or 5M instead of giving Lebby an extension and another $35M-$40M 2 years in a row to see if he can fall *** backwards into putting a winner on the field. This is a simple decision
 
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Curby

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GiantInternetAsshole said:
The main reasons to keep Lebby according to those who think Lebby deserves 1 more year:

1) KT MIGHT leave. Not will, might…

2) It will be easier to attract portal players and recruits because KT is on the roster

3) the team will play better when KT is available

There’s literally no reason that Lebby should continue as head coach at MSU that does not involve Kamario Taylor doing something to help mask the ineptitude of Lebby.

He’s gotta go and as you mentioned, it is an economic decision more than a football decision. Not only are you talking about decreased attendance and in turn, NIL donations, but you’re also talking about paying a $6M-$7M buyout that will be mitigated to around 4M or 5M instead of giving Lebby an extension and another $35M-$40M 2 years in a row to see if he can fall *** backwards into putting a winner on the field. This is a simple decision
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Well, there you go....LOL

Giant InterNet Assshole has spoken!!!
 
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The Peeper said:
False security? What security, false or not?
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The false security that KT can lead this program to a playoff spot next year all by himself. Ignoring the lack of supporting players, the lack of quality assistants, the lack of a S&C program, lack of roster and talent evaluation. Not to mention a false security in not recognizing that other Defensive Coordinators have better game film on KT now so there will be adjustments and development that better be made, especially in the intermediate passing game.
 
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WrapItDog

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In the past 3 seasons the starting QB has missed 50% of the games due to injury. Shapen 10 games & Taylor 8 games. It doesn't matter who the QB is behind Lebby's O line. They will be out 50% of the season.
 
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