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thekimmer

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Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
 
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thekimmer said:
Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
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Some in the fan base think Selmon is untouchable because he can shake hands, kiss babies, and raise a little money. Forget that the main economic engine of the athletic department is in the 17’n shiter rn
 
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Crossroaddawg said:
Some in the fan base think Selmon is untouchable because he can shake hands, kiss babies, and raise a little money. Forget that the main economic engine of the athletic department is in the 17’n shiter rn
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Well, this is where you're wrong. The primary economic engine of the Athletic Department, of course, is our SEC paycheck. But SECOND is Bulldog Club Donations. Football is third.

Lebby has to go, and hiring him was a failure. But an AD's primary job is fund raising, particularly in the NIL era. Everyone focuses on coaching hires because its the most obvious part of the job, while fund raising is why guys like Stricklin are considered great ADs.

And that's also why Selmon answers to the big donors. And the big donors should be insisting we pull the trigger.
 
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Dawgzilla2 said:
Well, this is where you're wrong. The primary economic engine of the Athletic Department, of course, is our SEC paycheck. But SECOND is Bulldog Club Donations. Football is third.

Lebby has to go, and hiring him was a failure. But an AD's primary job is fund raising, particularly in the NIL era. Everyone focuses on coaching hires because its the most obvious part of the job, while fund raising is why guys like Stricklin are considered great ADs.

And that's also why Selmon answers to the big donors. And the big donors should be insisting we pull the trigger.
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Out of all the products the AD “produces” Football is the main economic engine, you neglect it you neglect the the department as a whole. A segment of the fan base just can’t get that through their thick little skulls
 
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They just have the wrong mindset about football, as do most of our fans

They really needed Heavy Debby to go 7-5 this year, where they can keep up the chirade, and the sheep were in check
 
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As for Keenum, look at MSU pre Keenum and now. A lot of you can't or don't remember how things were before we had someone who was passionate about advocating for MSU in the President's chair. Outsiders beholding to an overwhelmingly UM college board and legislature held MSU down for decades. Some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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Dawgzilla2 said:
And that's also why Selmon answers to the big donors. And the big donors should be insisting we pull the trigger.
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He needs to work that in the other direction, convincing the holdouts to be OK with a change. Maybe he is trying behind the scenes.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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Dawgzilla2 said:
Well, this is where you're wrong. The primary economic engine of the Athletic Department, of course, is our SEC paycheck. But SECOND is Bulldog Club Donations. Football is third.

Lebby has to go, and hiring him was a failure. But an AD's primary job is fund raising, particularly in the NIL era. Everyone focuses on coaching hires because its the most obvious part of the job, while fund raising is why guys like Stricklin are considered great ADs.

And that's also why Selmon answers to the big donors. And the big donors should be insisting we pull the trigger.
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Think ya'll are saying the same thing. I mean keeping the money flowing is obviously first, how to do that is what we're debating.
 
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thekimmer said:
Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
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Ridiculous. Keenum is barely involved anymore and Selmon is the best AD we've had in a long time, if not the best. He understands the portal is how you build and he's raised massive funds to do it. Lebby will be fired if the money wants him fired, otherwise, he's back. Money controls everything.
 
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OG Goat Holder said:
where they can keep up the chirade
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thekimmer said:
Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
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Whoever said $20 million needs to stop being a source
 
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ETK99 said:
Ridiculous. Keenum is barely involved anymore and Selmon is the best AD we've had in a long time, if not the best. He understands the portal is how you build and he's raised massive funds to do it.
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Not trying to argue but if he understands the portal so well, why then have we only had 8 or 9 players (out of the 150 players brought in the last 3 years) be semi SEC ready?
 
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I can't agree w/ Selmon and Keenum being bad for STATE.....

I think these buyouts have got to stop. Lebby has not earned his paycheck, but will, for most people, be set for life w/ his buyout. I frankly think buyouts have become a tool the agents have built in to insure their lifestyle by taking a percentage of everything the coach gets. it's a reward for mediocrity.......and maybe it should be changed that the buyout is contingent on the record and conference W's vs L's

Keeping Lebby is being accepting of a losing culture, and I think that does more harm long term than anything
 
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Lebby’s buyout is 6.7 and there is no way the rest of the staff is 12.8. 20M is not the real number. And whatever the number actually is, they are often negotiated down, financed, or can be offset some with new employment. Mike Chaidron has been doing a great job covering buyouts and how that process works.
 
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thekimmer said:
Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
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I think Lebby is a great coach. You don't get to the positions he has been in without being a good coach. His problem is that he has been attached to good recruiters and evaluators. So he has always been able to use his system with premiere athletes that fit his system. I think this is where Lebby fails the most. He doesn't understand all the areas he needs to address in order to make his sytem works, or he just can't recruit those players to his system.
 
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thekimmer said:
Leb takes the brunt of fan ire but he didn't hire himself. Anger over football should be directed squarely at Zac Selmon, his boss Mark Keenum and whoever else had a part in making the decision to hire JL. They whiffed BADLY hiring a guy who can't recruit, can't coach, can't evaluate player talent or coaching talent, and now has put us in a bad financial position to clean up the mess.

One source cited that if we fired Lebby this season it would cost us 20 million in buyouts for Leb and his staff and that is the reason we won't fire him now. Very discouraging.
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20MM in buyouts......At some point you have to ask what's the cost of keeping him.
 
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HailStout said:
I hate the fact that I thought this was a political thread when I first read the title
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Well Keenum is a conservative and has raised a lot of money for conservatives in DC prior to coming home to State. He'd be on my target list if I wanted a more liberal person in charge at State.
 
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FreeDawg said:
Lebby’s buyout is 6.7 and there is no way the rest of the staff is 12.8. 20M is not the real number. And whatever the number actually is, they are often negotiated down, financed, or can be offset some with new employment. Mike Chaidron has been doing a great job covering buyouts and how that process works.
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I was going to post earlier that this number simply can't be true. If we seriously signed this rag tag staff to contracts with $13M in buyouts, everyone in the athletic department needs to go. Who exactly was our competition for these guys that would've demanded that level of financial commitment? It's just insane
 
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L4Dawg said:
As for Keenum, look at MSU pre Keenum and now. A lot of you can't or don't remember how things were before we had someone who was passionate about advocating for MSU in the President's chair. Outsiders beholding to an overwhelmingly UM college board and legislature held MSU down for decades. Some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
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I am intrigued by this. As someone who doesn't know the in and outs of this but would like to know more, can you give more detail?
 
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BossDawg78 said:
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'd bet this has a lot to do with State making incredibly boneheaded decisions for the football program more often than not.
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We couldn't even get a four lane road that come to another one for decades.
 
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L4Dawg

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quickstrike2 said:
I am intrigued by this. As someone who doesn't know the in and outs of this but would like to know more, can you give more detail?
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Let's see, off the top of my head. It took forever to get a four lane connection to anywhere in Starkville. Go find campus maps over time pre and post Keenum. The change is amazing.
 
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thekimmer

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Seinfeld said:
I was going to post earlier that this number simply can't be true. If we seriously signed this rag tag staff to contracts with $13M in buyouts, everyone in the athletic department needs to go. Who exactly was our competition for these guys that would've demanded that level of financial commitment? It's just insane
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I think it includes and anticipated buyout of the successor.
 
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Right_Field_Heckler said:
Selmon's responsibility is to get the money. It's Lebby's responsibility to recruit the players...us having terrible transfers (overall) is on him.
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Us not having enough money the last two years but we've got it now. We've got KT1 resigned too.
 
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L4Dawg said:
Let's see, off the top of my head. It took forever to get a four lane connection to anywhere in Starkville. Go find campus maps over time pre and post Keenum. The change is amazing.
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It's pretty sad when grown men and women are that threatened by another school and football program in the state that they have to try and sabotage it. But it doesn't surprise me considering who they are.
 
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