Lebby will be back. What can possible be done to improve the decision making and coaching of this staff for next year other than getting Loadholt out?
Based on KT’s statement
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Buy some linemen.
That should be priority #1
Priority #2 should be to get some defensive linemen.
Is that counting Lebby? I feel like he should be an honorary member of that group.
loadholt gone and buy about 6 outstanding OL, 5 outstanding DL, and some secondary depth
I think we’ve all known from the beginning Lebby will be back.
I honestly thought our big donors were smarter than that. I really have given up all hope now.
Linemen on both sides are our biggest needs. The fact that our defensive line can't get any pressure on their own puts too much strain on the back 7. As Mjoelner and I have discussed several times...you get Deion Sanders in his prime and he could guard either of our 50+ year old selves indefinitely. Now you put a defensive back that's not Deion and put him against a legit SEC receiver and you're asking the impossible much past 3-4 seconds. So if you're the defensive coordinator and realize you have no line then you're forced to play zone and give up the short and intermediate passes.
It's obvious we're going with the strategy I was pushing prior to the Vandy game (by halftime of that game, I was mad enough that I would not have minded firing the Lebster - still would be ok with it).
BUT - Since we appear to be selling out for next year, maybe we can hope that this has already been decided from all the way up and the boosters are in on the plan. Perhaps we're really about to push all the chips to the middle and go get the best team we can afford. If we can buy about 3-4 good OL, the same on the DL, a new WR1 (or WR2 if Sanfrisco can be WR1), and some solid fillers on D.....the sky's the limit next year.
This all assumes we keep all our current starters and KT stays healthy. Hopefully, this is at least the plan.
BUT - Since we appear to be selling out for next year, maybe we can hope that this has already been decided from all the way up and the boosters are in on the plan. Perhaps we're really about to push all the chips to the middle and go get the best team we can afford. If we can buy about 3-4 good OL, the same on the DL, a new WR1 (or WR2 if Sanfrisco can be WR1), and some solid fillers on D.....the sky's the limit next year.
This all assumes we keep all our current starters and KT stays healthy. Hopefully, this is at least the plan.
We talk about Lebby's mediocre recruiting, but he's made several shockingly bad assistant coaching hires. Loadholt being one.
He has GOT to go
Feels kind of weird that we’re ALL IN on next year with a QB that doesn’t have all that much experience. Before he was injured they would allude to his obvious talent but the need to grow learn and develop. He played in 4/5 games this year so we’re basically picking up where we left off this year. Obviously very excited he’s coming back though.
Not everyone is also able to say they can play with an all world talent that will receive national attention.
Do you think there is an NIL recipient out there who is a competent left tackle that will take a pay cut to play with Kamario?
I hope that helps. Three years of Lebby's recruiting hasn't shown that good lineman want to be here. Receivers, yes.
It's a proof of concept situation. The first four games were proof we can play with anyone with K1. We are going to gamble that we can improve the team and go all in for one year. It's a smart risk in my opinion. Nothing is certain. But you shoot your shot and hope it works out.
I think that if the money is close, that can make a difference. I don't think anyone is taking a 50% discount to play with him.
He has played 4 games where he threw some exceptional passes. Even so, we struggled to win the two SEC games in that stretch.
So he gets $7.5 MM for next year. It's insane.
Lebby's "showtime" offense has blinded people who should know better. With K1, they can score points very quickly, which is exciting. But its not enough to win consistently.
The team that started 4-0 was capable of beating just about anyone on the schedule....but also capable of getting blown out 4 or 5 times. And that was with a healthy KT.
Keeping Lebby is a disaster. Throwing even more money at the team to win 7 games will set us back a decade.
I have said Lebby will be back, even tho he seriously 17ed this injury situation up. Also Loadholt will be back. Special teams coach might be the only firing. Everybody is returning. They will add to the lines and hope another year will improve every player we have. Which of course it will.
Honestly, if it came down to a choice of keeping both Lebby and KT or losing them both, I think I'd have chosen the latter. I really hope I'm wrong about Lebby. I really do. But I don't think I am.
Its amazing how all the folks creaming their shorts after the Mizzuori game have completely done a 180 into doom and gloom about this program.
If only "if's and but's" were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merrier Christmas.......................
So we're spending it all on the hopes of one good year with KT and then it's back to Lebby with someone like AJ Swann playing QB. If we don't make the playoffs next year just shut it down and put us out of our misery.
Dude you must like taking risks.
The only proof of concept shown here is that Lebby can’t coach and KT1 can’t stay healthy.
Is it your opinion that running with scissors is a smart risk?
How is it amazing? The entire team did a 180 after the Missouri game and it was clear to everyone with a brain and eyeballs that Lebby has absolutely nothing to do with the 4-0 start.
Even if this 2027 team has some success, get ready for another Lemonis type situation in 2028. We will go right back to a 3-5 win seasons. Book it.
17 Jeff Lebby.
Not everyone can say they played for a coach that was 11-23ish when they agreed to go play for him either (at BEST 14-23). Could be 11-26 by then too, with only 3 conference wins in 3 years.
Tell me you've never been a position to make big decisions without telling me you've never been a position to make big decisions.
There's a reason you're probably a middle manager.
Instead of arguing the points you go straight to attacking.. Nice and well thought out. Momma must be proud.
Having Lebby back next year is like dreaming you are in bed with Sydney Sweeney and waking up to Whoopi Goldberg next to you!
I would never cheer against State, but if State slips up against TennTech and Lebby gets fired because of it, I’ll be pissed about the loss, but happy Lebby gets fired! Whatever it takes to get that guy off the State sideline!
I don't know what my mom thinks about this, but I'll be sure and ask your mom later tonight (Hi-oh!)
But the point is that you're out of your depth. The decision makers have to rationally consider all possible outcomes. You've written Lebby off and think he won't be successful here. His record certainly supports that notion. But when you are in charge of multi-million dollar football program you can't afford to have the same perspective as a fan in his feelings. You have to consider the idea that you might be wrong. You have to ask yourself these hard questions:
If K1 doesn't get hurt, are we 6-3 or even better right now, and would that change how I feel, and if so am I going to let one injury determine the fate of the program?
Will the results of a coaching change automatically be better than what we have now, and who can I realistically go and get. Can I afford to bank on an unknown quantity and can I be sure I'll get them and not be sitting on my 3rd or 4th choice?
If we can retain K1 while ditching Lebby, can I assume K1 will play as good or better in a brand new system or will the change limit his production in the one season we have with him?
Which will be more cost effective and realistically attainable, improving what we have or starting over from scratch?
If we keep Lebby will we alienate fans and lose support? If we lose K1 will we alienate fans lose support?
Anyone who says the answers to these questions are obvious is just being obtuse and reductive. You've decided that Lebby must go and no other option will do. You can afford to do that because you're a fan who has no real input outside a message board (like me!) but these are massive decisions with unclear outcomes. Acting like it's cut and dried is being a dubmass.
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