How Long Do We Put Up With A Bad Basketball Team

johnson86-1 said:

I think Hub and Jans were a bad fit together. Hub is too good on offense and overall to not play, but Jans apparently can't make his defense work with Hub, or at least not without putting the type of defenders that leave us with no offense, because those type defenders that can also score are out of our price range.

Hubs tried trading defense for offense and it didn't work. Did ok for a year, then the wheels fell off.

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curseddawgs said:

Everyone conveniently forgets him completely dominating Dan Hurley (2x national champ 3x finalist) 2 days before we hired him

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MSUDC11-2.0 said:

Last year was the first season in his career as a head coach that he won less than 20 games in a full regular season. His winning percentage at New Mexico State was outstanding and he won that league in 4 out of his 5 seasons.

So no, we did not hire him based off one result in 2019.

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MSUDC11-2.0 said:

We’ve made the tournament 3 out of 4 years with our current coach. After a drought of one tourney appearance in 12 years before we hired him.

Jans isn’t perfect and he does need to right the ship as soon as possible, but the disconnect with our fanbase and Jans is something else. It feels a little like when our fans started souring on Mullen circa late 2012 and early 2013.

The guy is still a good coach and has accomplished a lot here. We are historically not a program that makes the NCAAT often and he came in and did three times immediately. So I think he’s earned some benefit of the doubt. And I’m not ready to write the obituary on this team either. I still like a number of our pieces.

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GOOD_DAWG said:

I didn’t come here to get into it with the anti lebby crowd.

All I have to say is that jans is a bum. Zero quantifiable improvement from year 1. Wasted the career of the future program scoring leader. If selmon had any balls, these guys would be walking back to stark after that performance.

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Perd Hapley said:

Jans is a good coach, but he’s about the worst type of coach imaginable to have running things in the NIL and portal era. He will probably be a career assistant after leaving MSU, or a very low level HC.

“Come to MSU and bust your *** playing lockdown defense, or sit on the bench” isn’t a great sales pitch when you are turning your roster over every year. Guys want to go where they can score and show out offensively. That type of hardnosed defensive culture has to be instilled over multiple years, not reinstalled every offseason.

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JackShephard said:

Jan's accomplishments here were all with Howland's players. He turned some 3/4/5 seed type teams into 9 seeds or worse.

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L4Dawg said:

We are awful on defense because Hub is awful on defense. About half the points we give up start with him losing his man.

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GOOD_DAWG said:

I’m going to say this as respectfully as possible. Hubb is a great player who I have really enjoyed watching during his time here. He has great achievements and he seems to come from a really great family.

With that said, I am really looking forward to watching this program post-Hubbard because Jans or whoever is coaching will finally have to confront what we look like without Hubbard on the court. Literally four years of Hubb being this team’s crutch, for better or for worse.

To your point, I agree with suck on defense because of Hubb. Jans has done a terrible job of hiding him off the ball on defense. In addition to being shorter than 99% of people he guards, he cannot stay in front of his man.

Go watch a Nate Oats or Rick Barnes team. They play actual basketball. With passing and cutting to the basket, good shooting and sharing the ball to find easy buckets. What we do- dribbling the ball down the court to let Hubb get blitzed on any screen action- is basically unwatchable by comparison.

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TPIPER36 said:

To say Jans is worse than Lebby is almost brain dead. We have 1 NCAA tournament appearance from 2010-2022. Jans took over and boom 3 in the first 3 for Jans.I don’t see how that’s even a comparison. Maybe it’s time for him to go after this season but worse then Lebby is a wildly inaccurate statement

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Dawg22 said:

I feel like we have some good pieces but it seems like we'll be bad again. No outside shooting and don't have a big enough prescence inside right now. Our defense wasn't good last year and don't know if it's going to be good this year. We supposedly have a defensive coach, but we aren't good at defense. We hired a guy to help with offense but I see no changes. When should we expect decent results?

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