“Charlotte City Council OK's Panthers stadium renovation plan”/NFL Stadiums thread

manatree

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Yep. That's why Oakland made the choice they did. But it's also why Oakland no longer has any professional sports, when they once had a team in all four major leagues plus the NASL back in the day. The current market does not allow a city to keep teams if they make Oakland's choice, as there's enough cities that will steal teams, like Austin tried to do to Columbus.

Rumor has it that the A's owner is trying to sell their MLS team to raise money for the ever rising estimates of a Las Vegas stadium.
 

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When the price tag for a new stadium/arena is announced, how much is for labor which will funnel much of that money back into the economy of the community and how much is material that is predominately outsourced?
 
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When the price tag for a new stadium/arena is announced, how much is for labor which will funnel much of that money back into the economy of the community and how much is material that is predominately outsourced?
There's also infrastructure, which is the responsibility of the government entity dealing with that (roads, etc.).
 

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Economists almost universally agree public funds could be better spent. Will leave it there. Enjoy the hockey!
Well, we'll see in Oakland if that's true, won't we? And it's not universal--it's about 80%. One thing I doubt the economists take into account is the intangibles. And if they are correct, I'd like to see real-life case studies to prove it. There are differences, of course. The NFL only has a handful of games a year, so the economic impact is much, much smaller there. Arenas and baseball have a lot more dates. And sometimes the opponents "cheat" in assessments of the cost. One example here in Columbus--a pedestrian bridge was built over the Olentangy River to connect the Olentangy bike trail to downtown. It also gives good access to the new soccer stadium. For that reason opponents of stadium funding claimed that pride as part of the public costs. Only problem was that the bridge was planned a number of years before the stadium was even an idea. It's quite useful--but really was not a part. So I see the point but am lso a bit skeptical of it.

This article was a good read about St Louis City (MLS)

 

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Well, we'll see in Oakland if that's true, won't we? And it's not universal--it's about 80%. One thing I doubt the economists take into account is the intangibles. And if they are correct, I'd like to see real-life case studies to prove it. There are differences, of course. The NFL only has a handful of games a year, so the economic impact is much, much smaller there. Arenas and baseball have a lot more dates. And sometimes the opponents "cheat" in assessments of the cost. One example here in Columbus--a pedestrian bridge was built over the Olentangy River to connect the Olentangy bike trail to downtown. It also gives good access to the new soccer stadium. For that reason opponents of stadium funding claimed that pride as part of the public costs. Only problem was that the bridge was planned a number of years before the stadium was even an idea. It's quite useful--but really was not a part. So I see the point but am lso a bit skeptical of it.

This article was a good read about St Louis City (MLS)



Team owners looking to build or revamp big league sports stadiums often seek public funds in the hundreds of millions of dollars. But research conducted over decades indicates these investments almost never lead to massive economic gains for host cities.
 
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Just a heads up, UNC is building a new basketball mecca to replace the Dean Dome near my neighborhood. Restaurants, park, and 20k arena in a residential area. This is what I'm up against. Can't wait for the traffic. Plus side = I can walk to the games.
If they build it at MLK and Estes, that will be a nightmare traffic wise.
 

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Correct. Similar to putting a Bryce Jordan Center on Pugh and Beaver.

There is an old proposed planning map of campus that called for a new football stadium on Atherton St next to the then train station, now bus station.
 

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There is an old proposed planning map of campus that called for a new football stadium on Atherton St next to the then train station, now bus station.
Golf course tailgating like Skunk Cheaters.
 

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Portland just got an $800million deal for an MLB expansion/moved team. Funding is tied to the income tax on the future team and opposing players.

 

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There is an old proposed planning map of campus that called for a new football stadium on Atherton St next to the then train station, now bus station.

Here's a development plan from January 16, 1929 by Charles Klauder that shows a proposed football stadium on Atherton St next to the train/bus station.

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Klauder included the stadium at that location on several later development plans. Here's one from April 17, 1937.

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Here's a development plan from August 18, 1946 by Harbeson, Hough, Livingson, & Larson that proposed a new stadium further west aligning roughly north-south at North Sparks St.

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Imagine the traffic fun either of those locations would provide today.
 
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Portland just got an $800million deal for an MLB expansion/moved team. Funding is tied to the income tax on the future team and opposing players.


Let's Go Bucs!
Portland Pirates has a nice ring to it.
(There is an AHL team from Maine with the same same).

😟
 

BobPSU92

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how stupid can it get?

The new stadium is supposed to be ready for the 2031 season. Maybe the NFL will shut down by then.

Also, another dome stadium. Pussies. It snows in Missouri Kansas (😞). They should play in the snow.
 
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KingLando

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The new stadium is supposed to be ready for the 2031 season. Maybe the NFL will shut down by then.

Also, another dome stadium. Pussies. It snows in Missouri Kansas (😞). They should play in the snow.
I feel like the dome is a better experience for fans.
Don't get me...some of my best moments at games in which I was frozen but younger generations want comfort. Can't be too hot or too cold. Can't be raining or snowing. Hell a breeze might keep them home lol
 

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I never understood how two cities could be named the same, only separated by a river and in two different states, It's like if Camden NJ was also named Philadelphia.

My family is said to be from Scheibenhardt Germany/ Sheibenhard France. It's separated by the Lauter River. The river changes like the Mississippi. Way back, sometimes we were French sometimes German.
 
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Delete. For f*ck’s sake. ------->>>>. What you originally posted..... "Strange thread merge. Charlotte and Kansas are different. There’s doing something for a reason. Then there’s this"
Are you overly caffeinated or glucosinated this evening?