“There are only two options: Make progress or make excuses” ~ Tony Robins

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You can have results or you can have your excuses. You cannot have both.

You should try to coach without excuses Neal. After 6 years try to give us progress.

I'm done with my own excuses.

 

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Excuses are a reality whether they are acknowledged or not. Your star QB gets knocked out for the season. The team is no longer performing as well. The excuse is not "made", it is a simple part of reality.
 

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Excuses are a reality whether they are acknowledged or not. Your star QB gets knocked out for the season. The team is no longer performing as well. The excuse is not "made", it is a simple part of reality.

Making excuses is weak and won't get anybody anywhere in life. The best leaders and most successful people take accountability and don't make excuses.
 

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Making excuses is weak and won't get anybody anywhere in life. The best leaders and most successful people take accountability and don't make excuses.
I already said excuses aren't "made". They are a built in part of reality whether one wants to acknowledge them or not. If you were in an accident and became a quadriplegic, are you still going to get up every morning and perform your daily tasks/job as you normally would without any excuses?
 

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I already said excuses aren't "made". They are a built in part of reality whether one wants to acknowledge them or not. If you were in an accident and became a quadriplegic, are you still going to get up every morning and perform your daily tasks/job as you normally would without any excuses?

For a football coach to acknowledge them frequently to the press is bad leadership and a sign that somebody is in over their head. If my work wasn't up to par and I made excuses instead of fixing it I would be out of business. So there's a difference in certain areas of life. Unfortunately for Neil Brown one of those areas is being the head coach of a major college football program. Not a good platform for excuse making.
 
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Excuses are a reality whether they are acknowledged or not. Your star QB gets knocked out for the season. The team is no longer performing as well. The excuse is not "made", it is a simple part of reality.

Sure if a player like Pat White, Geno Smith, or even Clint Trickett goes down it is a valid excuse for a team underpreforming. But none of those valid excuses apply to Brown, so why bring it up?
 

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If HCNB does leave there should be complete transparency for any coach who is considering taking the position. The means any web page, article, or message board post...Someone should also notify them of the harassment and threats to two players mothers.
WVU fans are committing DARVO
 
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If HCNB does leave there should be complete transparency for any coach who is considering taking the position. The means any web page, article, or message board post...Someone should also notify them of the harassment and threats to two players mothers.
WVU fans are committing DARVO

You mean what every coach at a P4 program deals with. I'm pretty sure they know. They know if they do their job, they will be fine. If they don't, they will be criticized by fans and have a few asshats make toothless threats. Stop being such a dramatic priss
 

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You mean what every coach at a P4 program deals with. I'm pretty sure they know. They know if they do their job, they will be fine. If they don't, they will be criticized by fans and have a few asshats make toothless threats. Stop being such a dramatic priss
no they don't all deal with it..that's why it makes news.. fans like me will make sure that the potential coaches are aware of the unhinged, delusional , irrational fans that attack coaches, players, and players families when they lose some football games. the truth needs to be out there .You are not a part of the team..no one has done anything to you...you are just a spectator..
 
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no they don't all deal with it..that's why it makes news.. fans like me will make sure that the potential coaches are aware of the unhinged, delusional , irrational fans that attack coaches, players, and players families when they lose some football games. the truth needs to be out there .You are not a part of the team..no one has done anything to you...you are just a spectator..

What news? I've seen zero coverage of it? Also, I'm glad you are such a big shot that you will have the ear of the new coach. Are you still upset the donkey didn't finish the last time? I'm sure he was just tired or had a headache.
 

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you seem infatuated with bestiality..not surprising coming from an idiot like you...I bet you're going to vote for that cackling concubine for President..
 
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no they don't all deal with it..that's why it makes news.. fans like me will make sure that the potential coaches are aware of the unhinged, delusional , irrational fans that attack coaches, players, and players families when they lose some football games. the truth needs to be out there .You are not a part of the team..no one has done anything to you...you are just a spectator..

What an idiot. You are truly the gift that keeps on giving 🤣
 

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Excuses are a reality whether they are acknowledged or not. Your star QB gets knocked out for the season. The team is no longer performing as well. The excuse is not "made", it is a simple part of reality.
Before you can learn anything, you have to admit that you’ve made a mistake. Excuses are are not admitting those mistakes.

Identifying the mistake you avoid repeating your mistake is the key to improvement. Seeing the gaps in your knowledge or process will show you where to apply your energy. You might want to run, hide, or blame others for your big mistake.

The willingness to learn from your mistakes is a valuable trait. Shows that you’re willing to do the work to improve yourself and increases trust. Viewing mistakes as a positive experience can reduce your fear of failure and bolster your confidence.

We need coaches that admit their mistakes and come up with a plan to not make the same mistake again. Same for players, administrators and school presidents.

~ Written by Master Class
 

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You seem cranky? Did you lose your donut pillow to sit on?
you and several others are going to be cranky for a long time
At West Virginia, we run an efficient operation and do more with less than probably any other Power 4 school. We do not have an expense problem, we have a revenue problem, and identifying ways to increase revenue is going to become even more of a priority in the next year.

Many of you are already aware of the House vs. NCAA class action lawsuit with the proposed settlement allowing for upward of $22 million in revenue sharing to be provided to student-athletes. Finding and adding $22 million to our annual budget is not an easy exercise. My senior leadership team and I have spent months scenario-planning for what we need to do, what we can do and focusing on what we can control. Make no mistake, I support sharing revenue with our student-athletes, but we must do it in a fiscally responsible manner that lessens any impact on what we offer all of our student-athletes.

Among other aspects of the House vs. NCAA proposed settlement are back damage payments to former student-athletes and caps on roster sizes of teams with unlimited scholarships up to that number. We are deep into our planning with a goal of maintaining our current 18 varsity sports. What we have not yet finalized is the ongoing level of support we will be able to offer each program.

I know that the Mountaineers mean too much to the state of West Virginia, the University, the region and the local community for us not to be highly competitive and nationally relevant. We have work to do. Our current budget is among the bottom third of all Power 4 institutions and near the bottom of the Big 12. Collectively, we must find a way to do more in order to remain competitive and compete for championships.

We are incredibly grateful for the financial support our fans provide us through the Mountaineer Athletic Club, the Country Roads Trust, purchasing season tickets and our wonderful corporate partners. We value your generosity and we will continue to be good stewards of your investments in WVU Athletics.

One Final Thought…

West Virginia prides itself on the conviction that hard work, grit and determination lead to results. Despite the efforts our football coaches and student-athletes have put forth this season, the results of a tough early schedule are not what we all expected. No one is more disappointed than our coaches and student-athletes, and I have full confidence they are doing everything possible to turn this season around. Your fan support at Milan Puskar Stadium this season has been tremendous, and with five games left, including two at home, I encourage you to continue to support our football team. Our student-athletes need us! I am grateful for each and every one of you and honored to be a Mountaineer and your director of athletics.

Hail West Virginia!
Wren Baker
Vice President and Director of Athletics
#HailWV
 

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you and several others are going to be cranky for a long time
At West Virginia, we run an efficient operation and do more with less than probably any other Power 4 school. We do not have an expense problem, we have a revenue problem, and identifying ways to increase revenue is going to become even more of a priority in the next year.

Many of you are already aware of the House vs. NCAA class action lawsuit with the proposed settlement allowing for upward of $22 million in revenue sharing to be provided to student-athletes. Finding and adding $22 million to our annual budget is not an easy exercise. My senior leadership team and I have spent months scenario-planning for what we need to do, what we can do and focusing on what we can control. Make no mistake, I support sharing revenue with our student-athletes, but we must do it in a fiscally responsible manner that lessens any impact on what we offer all of our student-athletes.

Among other aspects of the House vs. NCAA proposed settlement are back damage payments to former student-athletes and caps on roster sizes of teams with unlimited scholarships up to that number. We are deep into our planning with a goal of maintaining our current 18 varsity sports. What we have not yet finalized is the ongoing level of support we will be able to offer each program.

I know that the Mountaineers mean too much to the state of West Virginia, the University, the region and the local community for us not to be highly competitive and nationally relevant. We have work to do. Our current budget is among the bottom third of all Power 4 institutions and near the bottom of the Big 12. Collectively, we must find a way to do more in order to remain competitive and compete for championships.

We are incredibly grateful for the financial support our fans provide us through the Mountaineer Athletic Club, the Country Roads Trust, purchasing season tickets and our wonderful corporate partners. We value your generosity and we will continue to be good stewards of your investments in WVU Athletics.

One Final Thought…

West Virginia prides itself on the conviction that hard work, grit and determination lead to results. Despite the efforts our football coaches and student-athletes have put forth this season, the results of a tough early schedule are not what we all expected. No one is more disappointed than our coaches and student-athletes, and I have full confidence they are doing everything possible to turn this season around. Your fan support at Milan Puskar Stadium this season has been tremendous, and with five games left, including two at home, I encourage you to continue to support our football team. Our student-athletes need us! I am grateful for each and every one of you and honored to be a Mountaineer and your director of athletics.

Hail West Virginia!
Wren Baker
Vice President and Director of Athletics
#HailWV
Translation. Coach Brown win or you're done.
 

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you and several others are going to be cranky for a long time
At West Virginia, we run an efficient operation and do more with less than probably any other Power 4 school. We do not have an expense problem, we have a revenue problem, and identifying ways to increase revenue is going to become even more of a priority in the next year.

Many of you are already aware of the House vs. NCAA class action lawsuit with the proposed settlement allowing for upward of $22 million in revenue sharing to be provided to student-athletes. Finding and adding $22 million to our annual budget is not an easy exercise. My senior leadership team and I have spent months scenario-planning for what we need to do, what we can do and focusing on what we can control. Make no mistake, I support sharing revenue with our student-athletes, but we must do it in a fiscally responsible manner that lessens any impact on what we offer all of our student-athletes.

Among other aspects of the House vs. NCAA proposed settlement are back damage payments to former student-athletes and caps on roster sizes of teams with unlimited scholarships up to that number. We are deep into our planning with a goal of maintaining our current 18 varsity sports. What we have not yet finalized is the ongoing level of support we will be able to offer each program.

I know that the Mountaineers mean too much to the state of West Virginia, the University, the region and the local community for us not to be highly competitive and nationally relevant. We have work to do. Our current budget is among the bottom third of all Power 4 institutions and near the bottom of the Big 12. Collectively, we must find a way to do more in order to remain competitive and compete for championships.

We are incredibly grateful for the financial support our fans provide us through the Mountaineer Athletic Club, the Country Roads Trust, purchasing season tickets and our wonderful corporate partners. We value your generosity and we will continue to be good stewards of your investments in WVU Athletics.

One Final Thought…

West Virginia prides itself on the conviction that hard work, grit and determination lead to results. Despite the efforts our football coaches and student-athletes have put forth this season, the results of a tough early schedule are not what we all expected. No one is more disappointed than our coaches and student-athletes, and I have full confidence they are doing everything possible to turn this season around. Your fan support at Milan Puskar Stadium this season has been tremendous, and with five games left, including two at home, I encourage you to continue to support our football team. Our student-athletes need us! I am grateful for each and every one of you and honored to be a Mountaineer and your director of athletics.

Hail West Virginia!
Wren Baker
Vice President and Director of Athletics
#HailWV

The donations will flood in once he fires Neal Brown.
 

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I heard that Wren Baker, following the advise of Saban and McAfee, texted Rich Rodriguez. The destroyer of WVU football will become the fixer.
 
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you and several others are going to be cranky for a long time
At West Virginia, we run an efficient operation and do more with less than probably any other Power 4 school. We do not have an expense problem, we have a revenue problem, and identifying ways to increase revenue is going to become even more of a priority in the next year.

Many of you are already aware of the House vs. NCAA class action lawsuit with the proposed settlement allowing for upward of $22 million in revenue sharing to be provided to student-athletes. Finding and adding $22 million to our annual budget is not an easy exercise. My senior leadership team and I have spent months scenario-planning for what we need to do, what we can do and focusing on what we can control. Make no mistake, I support sharing revenue with our student-athletes, but we must do it in a fiscally responsible manner that lessens any impact on what we offer all of our student-athletes.

Among other aspects of the House vs. NCAA proposed settlement are back damage payments to former student-athletes and caps on roster sizes of teams with unlimited scholarships up to that number. We are deep into our planning with a goal of maintaining our current 18 varsity sports. What we have not yet finalized is the ongoing level of support we will be able to offer each program.

I know that the Mountaineers mean too much to the state of West Virginia, the University, the region and the local community for us not to be highly competitive and nationally relevant. We have work to do. Our current budget is among the bottom third of all Power 4 institutions and near the bottom of the Big 12. Collectively, we must find a way to do more in order to remain competitive and compete for championships.

We are incredibly grateful for the financial support our fans provide us through the Mountaineer Athletic Club, the Country Roads Trust, purchasing season tickets and our wonderful corporate partners. We value your generosity and we will continue to be good stewards of your investments in WVU Athletics.

One Final Thought…

West Virginia prides itself on the conviction that hard work, grit and determination lead to results. Despite the efforts our football coaches and student-athletes have put forth this season, the results of a tough early schedule are not what we all expected. No one is more disappointed than our coaches and student-athletes, and I have full confidence they are doing everything possible to turn this season around. Your fan support at Milan Puskar Stadium this season has been tremendous, and with five games left, including two at home, I encourage you to continue to support our football team. Our student-athletes need us! I am grateful for each and every one of you and honored to be a Mountaineer and your director of athletics.

Hail West Virginia!
Wren Baker
Vice President and Director of Athletics
#HailWV

I know WVU will likely be stuck with Brown for another season. The issue is whether or not he should and the objective answer is no. He never should have been extended the first time, much less TWICE, due to meager improvements from 5-7.

But you are right. It will be easier for you to get your bottom turned out and find pillow for your seat than for WVU to correct the huge mistake of extending Brown.
 

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the fans already don't donate..if you didn't receive that e-mail you don't either
It's called The Neil Brown effect and once that issue is corrected fans will open up their wallet. What I'm seeing and hearing everywhere is that fans are not going to put money into the program until they replace the coach.
 

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Winning makes money. If WVU Sports wants to get out of the gutter then making the football program a winning program is absolutely 100% critical to that. Baker is well aware of this, and Neil Brown will be gone at the end of season.
 

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It's called The Neil Brown effect and once that issue is corrected fans will open up their wallet. What I'm seeing and hearing everywhere is that fans are not going to put money into the program until they replace the coach.
you need to face reality and just support the team..Brown will be back because WVU simply does not have the money.
 

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you need to face reality and just support the team..Brown will be back because WVU simply does not have the money.

I do support the team and have supported the team since I was old enough to pay attention. The thing is, Neil Brown is not the team. Brown is an outsider and the biggest mistake WVU has made in over 50 years. I support everything about WVU football except for the coaching because they are holding this team back. I support every player, even Greene, because they are all subjected to very bad coaching. I paid way too much for tickets to two games this season and I won't be doing that again until Brown is gone. I won't be sending them any of my money through the Mac or Country Roads Trust until Brown is gone. That is my right as a fan. WVU has a very expensive game day experience and we are absolutely not getting our money's worth.
 

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Winning makes money. If WVU Sports wants to get out of the gutter then making the football program a winning program is absolutely 100% critical to that. Baker is well aware of this, and Neil Brown will be gone at the end of season.
WVU already proved during covid that they can make money with just the TV and other corporate sponsors..when WVU was an independent they had no TV contract like now
 

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I do support the team and have supported the team since I was old enough to pay attention. The thing is, Neil Brown is not the team. Brown is an outsider and the biggest mistake WVU has made in over 50 years. I support everything about WVU football except for the coaching because they are holding this team back. I support every player, even Greene, because they are all subjected to very bad coaching. I paid way too much for tickets to two games this season and I won't be doing that again until Brown is gone. I won't be sending them any of my money through the Mac or Country Roads Trust until Brown is gone. That is my right as a fan. WVU has a very expensive game day experience and we are absolutely not getting our money's worth.
your choice..WVU has never been and will never be flush with cash..WV and Kentucky lead the nation per capita for adults on disability and social security as their only means of income..with over 200,000 living alumni if they all gave $100 that would be 20 million ..that will never happen
 

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your choice..WVU has never been and will never be flush with cash..WV and Kentucky lead the nation per capita for adults on disability and social security as their only means of income..with over 200,000 living alumni if they all gave $100 that would be 20 million ..that will never happen

I don't disagree with what you're saying here but my only point is Neil Brown has not given WVU the results it is used to giving and we are further hurting because of it. No we're never going to be like USC or Texas or any of these big brands, but we deserve to at least get back to what we used to be, which is being a regular top 25 team. The last 6 years we haven't even been ranked. That is unacceptable for a team like WVU with such a solid football history.