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Here’s a question: for those of y’all who took the shots to save your grandma/FIL/neighbor/humanity (sorry if I missed any)…..why all the sudden did you stop taking the boosters?
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I assume you’re not in healthcare or the restaurant biz then lol
I worked at Dairy Queen back in high school, it was a pretty disgusting joint but we weren't worried about STDs.
If a private business mandates something it’s okay but how is it okay if the government forces private businesses to mandate?
My religion is anti United States government. Therefore whatever they say or tell me to do I have to assume it is in my best interest to do opposite.
My religion is anti United States government. Therefore whatever they say or tell me to do I have to assume it is in my best interest to do opposite.
McDonalds was my first job at 16. The manager would mess with the female employees in the office and then go make burgers without washing his hands.
States have "police power" under the law to operate in what can be viewed as to the benefit of public health. It's a tough situation because they can't use this power too broadly as to intervene with the peoples' rights to assemble, etc. but states do have the power to make businesses to do the things that they are doing.
In that case, I'm glad that I always order the 10 piece meal.
Basically what it boils down to is we are not as free as we like to think we are
We're only as free as the Constitution says we are. This situation included
LOL @ Despots like Queen Andy and Wicked Witchmer giving a **** about the Constitution.
I've had 5 shots because people that spend their whole lives studying this stuff came up with it as a solution. That's the way the civilized modern world works. For the sake of society we agree to place our lives in the hands of people that work very hard to attain expertise in the areas required to serve us. We let them fly us, drive us, operate on us, build bridges we cross, boats we sail on, buildings we live and work in. I don't know what they know but we have a bargain that if they will achieve the required certifications to do what they do, then we'll trust them. That's the only way this thing works.
It's not a perfect system but it's better than any other man has ever devised and certainly better than a bunch of superstitious nuts taking animal medications and shining flashlights up their arses. If I do die due to some statistical anomaly then so be it.
It's not a perfect system but it's better than any other man has ever devised and certainly better than a bunch of superstitious nuts taking animal medications and shining flashlights up their arses. If I do die due to some statistical anomaly then so be it.
it didn't bother you that one of the people involved from the beginning of MRNA technology testing had significant concerns about the same exact side effects that basically have been coming to light more and more lately? So you are still bought into a vaccine that has proved that it is not significantly reducing the chance of getting it or passing it along and the chances of you dying from COVID in general are about the same as the regular flu, provided you don't have 3 or more comorbidities? I don't see the value prop in the vaccine so any risk it has is more risk than not getting it for the vast majority.
According to this doctor there are no fetal cell lines used in the manufacture of vaccines so there should be no religious conflict from what he is saying:
Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD
No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells
There is a lot of misinformation and conspiracy theories around the COVID vaccine, my best advise is if you have any questions about it discuss it with your doctor.
What you talking about? Your post even mentions the use of fetal cell lines used in the testing, development and even production (J&J) vaccines.
Some people won’t buy makeup or other products that were tested on animals…fetal cell lines used in the R&D phase would definitely cause religious conflict for many.
If the bridge, plane, or boat was hastily slapped together and you began to notice that many people who used them were having heart issues and blood clots that far exceeded a normal rate, I’d like to think you wouldn’t have a 6th.
I simply paraphrased what the article said and linked it. According to this doctor there are no fetal cell lines used in the manufacture of the vaccine, they were used in the initial development and testing. I thought that was pretty clear.
Pretty clear from what you posted that they were used in production of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine lol.
:used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Not trying to split hairs but yes you are are right that they used fetal cell lines in the manufacturing process but their are no actual fetal cell lines in the vaccine itself. This is what they said:
To make the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, scientists infect PER.C6 fetal cell lines to grow the adenovirus vector. (Learn more about how viral vector vaccines work.) All PER.C6 cells used to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are descended from tissue taken from a 1985 abortion that took place in the Netherlands.
The OP was concerned the the vaccine contained fetal cell lines, that doesn't seem to be the case according to this article.
No - the OP was wondering why people would have religious reasons for vivid vaccine hesitancy. The use of fetal cell lines is a common explanation.
Don’t think religious people that have this reasoning differentiate between fetal cells in the shot going into their arm vs fetal cells being used in the whole process to come to the point of having a vaccine.
Again, similar to people refusing to buy from companies that animal test etc.
Results I saw said 4+ didn't add further protection beyond about 2 months. Net, I figured 3X plus having had covid was enough till a better booster or alternative comes along.
How’s that going to help if they can’t tell the truth because of state sanction?
Lol good Lord.
China is going to have to swallow their pride and accept Western vaccines. The proof is before the world and it is unquestionable.
These people, even to some degree as much as I hate to admit it... Donald Trump, deserve credit for what they did under incredible pressure. There is no parallel to what they did in history to come up with multiple vaccines for a pandemic like they did.
So the thing to do is be thankful and move on with our lives which is what I have done. I benefitted from their miraculous work and dedication and for that I am thankful.
I feel bad (with anger mixed in) for the people that have convinced themselves that their own country is their enemy. That science is not to be believed no matter how convincing. That doctors scheme to kill them.
What a sad sorry lot they are... but I am comfortable in allowing them their miserable fate as in the end traitors die of shame. They can't wash it off. Once you turn on your own country you become a nothing. An empty thing that haunts you till the end. You'll forever find some conspiracy to fill that black hole with. But when you die, your last thought will be of the shame you feel for what you done and if a hell does exist then there should be a special deeper part of it for traitors that would hate and attack their own country and their own people.
China is in trouble because they shut down so hard that their people didn't catch the coof when it was at its weakest form. Most Americans have already had it twice... The vaxed have probably already had it 4 times.
Blissful ignorance. Impossible to attain for some. Impossible to escape for others.
You have about a 99%+ chance of being just fine without that shot.
But there’s mounting evidence that with that shot, you may face some elevated health risks.
I realize it’s hard to accept and I don’t blame anybody who is struggling to accept this.
Does anyone here actually know someone that has died or become seriously ill because of receiving the vaccine, or is it all the same second hand stories that you read on social media? I personally know 10 people that died of Covid prior to the vaccine being available. They were all old contemporaries of mine (I'm 86). I know of no one that has died of Covid once we (the old people) were allowed to get the vaccine. So in my mind, it is/was a great thing.
My wife's best friend spent several days in the hospital with Pericarditis after receiving Pfizer jab #1. She would have died if not for immediate medical care.
A friend of mine's moonbat wife was diagnosed with Pancreatitis after her jabs and still suffers with it.
Sorry to hear about your dad. I pray and hope that he's doing better.
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Re- losing 10 people to covid. Very sorry for your loss. Lost a family friend to covid.
Re-shots
-Neighbor's brother died within 8 hours of receiving the shot.
-Family member was diagnosed with leukemia within days of the 2nd dose. No family history of cancer or leukemia. Gone a year later due to leuk. and massive bleeding and clotting issues. Had covid 2x during treatment.
-Someone I know who administered the shots saw a lot of AEs and lost 2 family members within days after they got the shots.
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Appreciate it. He has to stay on blood thinners because that's the only way to ensure he doesn't have another stroke (since they really don't know or won't admit what caused it). But otherwise he's doing well. Some light cognitive damage but at least I still have him around. Thanks for the thought.