⚽️⚽️⚽️…Delusional Youth Soccer Parent Thread
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GA 2013’s matchup today was #16 HTX against #17 TSC. Such a hard fought 0-0 draw. We survived a questionable PK (because we have the best goalie in Ok). Wow they have some athleticism. It further engraves my belief in Tulsa’s best teams regardless of club should be in GA. It’s just the right fit. It’s no different than Vanderbilt shouldn’t be in the SEC. Okie State shouldn’t be in the B10. I’ll never argue ECNL is currently the SEC of girls soccer. But it’s ok to play on the ACC……
Ref’d a bunch of rec games in BA and 1 OPL U11 match (BA Express vs FC Tulsa Academy). BA coach got feisty with me because I overruled my very young AR when he popped his flag for an offside but the player in the offside position never got involved in the play. 2nd FC Tulsa player ran onto the ball and walked in and scored. The rest of the games, especially the 2 U14 rec girls games were absolutely brutal. Weather was perfect.
Tomorrow I’ve got two adult league men’s games. If Instop posting it means I was either killed in a soccer rage incident or severely maimed and laid up in the hospital.
my daughter is refereeing games in the new BA Academy league tomorrow. They all have a Greenwood team involved. 4v4 games. Hopefully the insane parents don’t run her off.
Tomorrow I’ve got two adult league men’s games. If Instop posting it means I was either killed in a soccer rage incident or severely maimed and laid up in the hospital.
my daughter is refereeing games in the new BA Academy league tomorrow. They all have a Greenwood team involved. 4v4 games. Hopefully the insane parents don’t run her off.
I thought ECNL required certain field standards for league play? We play there tomorrow and I saw pictures of the fields and west bank actually looks much better.
We had some good results this weekend, beat Sting Austin 1-0 (ECNL website has score backwards) and Classic Elite 5-0 after being scoreless at halftime. The fields at Classic Elite were pretty poor and also infested with Mosquitos, by far one of the worse setups I've ever seen.
To their credit: They did have nicer fields on the opposite side of the complex but they were closed lol
So I did a bunch of rec games and 1 competitive game this weekend along with 2 adult over 40 games. Competitive game was BA Express vs FC Tulsa Academy, u11. Had an unfortunate incident where my AR (a 14 year old) raised his flag for offside but the player he flagged it for never got involved or interfered with play. I waved the flag down and a 2nd FCT player ran onto it, broke in and scored. BA coach didn’t understand why I didn’t acknowledge the offside flag and I explained it to him. He still didn’t understand. AR and I had a discussion at half about it. And I did pregame that scenario before the game about flagging when they saw involvement. Outside of that, things were fine. I did get berated in one of the adult games because I flagged the GK off their line too early on a PK (it wasn’t close at all).
My son had back to back shutouts for his Tufts club team this weekend (2-0, 4-0 wins). Not sure if he let the back up play any minutes. My guess is no in the 1st game but possibly in the 2nd.
My son had back to back shutouts for his Tufts club team this weekend (2-0, 4-0 wins). Not sure if he let the back up play any minutes. My guess is no in the 1st game but possibly in the 2nd.
I didn't know they had an opposite side. Weird if they had better fields they aren't being used. I heard from parents who have older kids that said these were the same fields they played on years ago.
I'm not sure where y'all played, but we played on what seemed to be the lower side. Like, come in the complex, it's down on the right behind the red bus.
The complex for Sting however...that was NICE.
Why is BA starting an Academy league? That is ridiculous. Broken Arrow has a sense of entitlement that has zero justification for others; we have some turf fields. Their grass is decent, but the fields are not flat. Why is blah constantly pimping how amazing it is? Are you under contract with the BA Chamber?
Spent Time in KC this weekend. My god, their facilities are nice.
I disagree with this statement. The Tulsa girls can and do compete. You have to have the talent and coaching. They have done it in the past and will in the future.
If they move to other cities, it won't happen, obviously. Keep it here. They can do just fine.
can we get a definition of what “competing” means?
bc we just went to Texas and made the team that finished fourth in the toughest conference were every single inch. They didn’t score until the very end.
Is that not competitive?
We beat KCA. We drew with FC Dallas.
Is that not competitive?!
Yeah... I got bit by about 8 billion mosquitoes there. Literally everyone was spraying themselves top to bottom and nothing seemed to work.
There are games that are close based on the score but are ultimately not very competitive. I think having the opportunity to win MOST games is being competitive.
I'm not pimping for them, just working as a ref out there. They pay well and the fields are the easiest on my knees (I've had 2 ACL reconstructions). And the fields, the grass ones, are in phenomenal shape right now.
As for the academy league, since OPL doesn't sponsor anything for under 8s and below, this is a regular league and touches. Bunch of Greenwood teams, some WSA, some BA.
Also, heard why the agreement between BA and Greenwood was terminated. Apparently the field use was only arranged for the U13s and above and JM started having a lot of his younger groups going out there and when BA said they needed to amend the deal (more $), JM walked. Since no agreement of use was officially signed, they left it at that (I got this from a board member in BA in the know on the situation).
Anything to make him right, don't give in to his bs. Next he'll say you really should have lost to KCA. He can't even admit when he was outright wrong. He is just a blowhard. In all reality one should just ignore him. I question whether he even watched Sting Austin, when he says it wasn't competitive. Guys like him make excuse claims like that when they haven't even watched the game.
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I'd judge competitiveness based on the play on the field. If your team spent 90% of the game defending and holding on without any prospects of scoring or generating any attack, that's not a competitive game IMO. Now if the possession is 65-35 (or closer to 60/40) with some generated attacks and possession and you lose 2-0, that's a pretty competitive game. I've seen 1-0 games that weren't competitive at all and some 5-0 games that were extremely competitive with the score being more reflective of finish quality vs not finishing chances. Or a couple of mistakes were made in the back. I'll take my son's 2 games over the weekend....2-0 and a 4-0 win but my son said he made 2 saves the entire weekend and one of them was a weak free kick with no chance and it just skipped to him. He said that was basically the only real "shot" against. I would generally say that game was not competitive.
What were the shots, and shots on goal stats for that game? What was the possession times. As TU_Bla said, did most of the game take place on your half of the field, playing defense? That's what defines a game as competitive.
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Competitiveness in ECNL is fairly simple to me. Did your team finish near .500 (or above) in conference play? I prefer to look at a team’s performance over 17 games rather than an individual game (or 2) for evaluation of said team.
I do believe the 2012s might be the second best WSA NL squad. The 2011s are in that conversation as well
I do believe the 2012s might be the second best WSA NL squad. The 2011s are in that conversation as well
JM didn't walk. The handshake agreement was terminated by new president and board after shading dealings by Greenwood staff. There were several things that shouldnt have be done and Greenwood ignored them. Austin BASC president ended deal with Cobalt. Cobalt offered some solutions but BASC was done.
That's essentially the short story I got. I got a simple there were more groups training out there than what the agreement originally called for and instead of asking to amend the deal, Greenwood just did it anyway and BASC awas like "Uh, no, this is not the way we're doing this." If there was more to what BASC balked at, those issues weren't shared with me.
Bunch? I think you should go look at the league. It is a joke. Tulsa is too small for two to three to four academy leagues.
WSA runs its own dumb little deal too. There is something against Scheels. It is stupid. More political BS that Greenwood is probably engaging in that they are supposed to be sooooo above and changing the culture of right?
They are weeble wobble on a number of them. It is almost hilarious at points. Not as bad as Mohawk, but they are not as flat as Jenks. Sorry, that is the truth, Brosky. I expected a lot better after your ranting and raving about the glorious nature. The grass was in pretty good condition.
I 100% agree with this comment. Soccer is sometimes weird in that you miss tons and tons of shots while dominating, and then the crappier team pumps a few in on some mistakes.
Ask the ECNL clubs that consistently finish in the middle of the pack to bottom year in and year out, but send a large number of girls to college. How many D1, D2 and NAIA scholarships did TU produce in the last five years ? How many did WSA and Blitz produce, less a lot less? Probably.
As it stands, WSA's results are booty right now, and it isn't because of Tulsa. I hope they get better, but it is junk. Should those middling Texas clubs fold? Promotion and relegation would not be the worst idea based on the years that certain teams are good. But ECNL likes the whole club model.
From what I can tell, the ECNL directors are extremely, extremely opinionated in their thought processes and almost not open to change, but then again, so are the MLS Next dudes.
Soccer in the US is a morass of different leagues, thought processes on development and what people are trying to accomplish. It can vary based on who you talk to, their experience, and where they are from. There is no consistency on what is wrong and how to fix it. It is maddening and frustrating. The biases and ignorance are pretty amazing when you listen to it.