I imagine every club deals with the it differently. I know one club that’s not going to move any one wholesale (2011-2009) but is going to deal with movement on an individual level. Something else to consider is what happens when you have a 2010 or 2009 team with mostly younger players (so to speak)? Move everyone down and leave older teams with bare bones? It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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I don't think the new rules will prevent teams from allowing players to "play up" still.
To say what ? I think right now coaches are in a super difficult situation too. And I don’t really wanna go jumping around clubs until the dust is settled. I keep hearing big things are gonna happen in December and January. I feel like when your lost in the woods you stay put right lol then someone can find you….or just to feel them out? I can’t imagine any of them will be forthcoming right now. I have a good relationship with all TSC coaches that we’ve worked with and a lot of the Blitz’ coaches too so I guess I worry about mucking it up with them, if I’m too bold etc.
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Agree. Until you know the platforms these clubs will be playing under next year everything else is premature. If history is a guide, TSC will not tell their coaches of any platform change until it’s announced by the platform. So I’m not sure what one hopes to gain by talking to the coaches. They are as in the dark as the rest of us
Absolutely. A lot of older teams won’t have much movement. Thats my guess.
I think a lot of a teams having success this season in my opinion will be the teams that see the least amount of movement.
Curious. Yeah, it will be chaos for a year.
I wasn't around for the previous age change.
It will take two years to shake out.
The older players will want to move down because other older players will move down and take over. Some youngers will do alright because they are outstanding. Others not so much. They will get on a new team. It will not be as good; they won't like the coach; they won't like their teammates; they won't like the parents, and so they will change.
It is inevitable.
AHHHHHHHh, the sheet. If this is what stops you from recruiting a younger, really talented player, you suck and suck badly.
Guess what? Trapped players will still exist. They did before. They do now, and they will again.
1) College coaches can’t recruit players until their sophomore year. They can’t talk to players until the summer after their sophomore year.
2) If you’re a really talented player you will be fine. It’s the borderline D1 or D2 athlete where not playing with your recruiting class could affect. Players who colleges don’t specifically come to watch but stand out at a showcase or nationals when the coaches are there watching the sophomores. If those kids are on the junior team they have less eyes on them because the most schools have largely filled their commitment list by September. They simply aren’t watching the juniors like they’re watching the sophomores. Do you believe coaches are going to go to a game of juniors in June when they have already filled their class quota? Of course not…they are watching the sophomores they will be offering in the next week or two.
With the portal picking up steam in the women's game, it's completely changing the landscape. Will soon mirror the mens game and top HS players will be waiting until late in senior year to commit.
The number of players in the women’s portal has expanded exponentially. I would expect this trend to continue. It will be interesting to see what happens with the WPSL and high school players.
I still believe a vast majority of girls will commit the summer between their sophomore and junior years. Most girls want the security and have a desire to enjoy their Jr and Sr years without the pressure of recruiting. I know mine does
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Then they can always change their mind. I wish comittments were final. You don't see coaches changing their minds nearly as much as athletes.
Yeah, I am still so interested to see how the new scholarship limits are going to change things on both sides. I have not heard anything about that other than people just speculating about it.
The portal has changed everything everywhere. I am glad they moved it to once a year. Something like a redshirt should come back; it is chaos now.
The only real change I’ve seen thus far is the reduction of roster size to 28. Most schools rostered 30-32 prior to the change.
Are all TSC teams required to play in the Adidas Cup? I wasn’t sure how clubs dealt with each team participating in their own tournaments. Just curious.
We aren't playing as a team. Some players are guest playing for other teams since it starts Thanksgiving week.
What age group? I can ask about the coaches for Blitz in that age group. They’ve got some excellent coaches in the mix and I trust the person I will ask to give me an honest answer on where they expect to be (my source fully expects FC Tulsa (formerly Blitz) will have NL for next year…he’s pretty well connected). The MLS Next BS not allowing HS soccer is just crazy, especially here in Oklahoma where there is a tremendous amount of pride taken for playing for your school (in any sport). There’s a different vibe for HS and it might not be the highest quality but if he’s playing at one of the Tulsa area 6A schools, it’s going to be pretty quality soccer and there is something about the team atmosphere in HS you just don’t get with club soccer and that teamwork and camaraderie is a life experience that will be a core memory/experience that is hard to duplicate.
This is maybe the best assessment of JM I’ve seen on this board and I think the majority of us who post here have some sort of personal experience with him.
Probably U15 is better. U13/U14 kids are still in middle school for the most part. They don’t need to be travelling to national showcases…it’s just a money grab at that point because these kids can’t even be recruited yet.
Interesting........My sources tell a completely different story.
He’s a 2012, and yes he will be trying out for Jenks high school soccer team this season (he’s going into 9th) I was certainly surprised how many people jumped to MLS Next with high school aged kids. But my son personally wants to play with his friends in high school. So we are really hoping ECNL doesn’t leave Tulsa, and I appreciate it! I’m just trying to get ahead of the mass hysteria once everything changes ! Which so many rumors spreading around you never know…
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You’re in a tough spot. That 2012 team isn’t an ECNL level team (it’s actually the 8th best team in Oklahoma). Your coach doesn’t have the resume to be an ECNL coach. He might be a great coach down the road but he was thrown into a level he currently lacks the experience to coach.
I would expect some clarity regarding the Tulsa boys club soccer scene in the next few months. I would be patient.
Oh I have no delusions about what team we are. We lost almost all of the ECNL team last year to Greenwood. So it’s been a cluster. I appreciate you looking into it though! It’s been a very demoralizing last few years for us in youth soccer in Tulsa. Every year one club is trying to undercut the other club. And the children suffer. My son just wants to play soccer, and I try to insulate him but he knows he’s on a losing team. He still laces up and tries his best at every game….
I feel for him. Nothing messes up the youth sports experience faster than adults. Hang in there. Things will get betters My guy tells me you might get a few of those players back.
I have no idea what the truth is, but I heard that some are very much looking to move away from Greenwood. They are decent sources.
Not everyone attends a 6A high school. Guess what too? Lots of the big 6A schools have friggin awful coaches, too. You have an inordinate love affair with Mike Wilson, but that is not typical. I had a supposed great coach in high school. Guess what? He was below average. Everyone on our team would have said as much. But outside, people thought he was great because we won a bunch and were blessed with an incredible run of talent. We took down all the 6A schools sans BA. He wasn't a butthead, but he did zero to make a single player better. Zero. Nada. Nothing.
Lots go to terrible places for soccer, say a Riverfield or Victory Christian. The homey who played for FC Tulsa and is now playing for BU played at Riverfield. Do you think he got anything out of that? No. They had him play forward, too. He scored like a gazillion goals in 2A. He probably got worse.
But as you said, we had it SUPER fun and many of those dudes are my close friends to this day. Then again, so are some of my club soccer friends.
Well, it shouldn't. It adds waaaayyyyy too many games into the scene and training.
I know you don't live in a real environment like a Colorado Rapids, Dynamo or FC Dallas boys. These are legitimate academies that I would put on par with those in other countries in how they handle themselves. In places like Denver, kids will stomp on each other's throats to make those teams.
BTW, Dallas Texans u19 ECNL beat Fulham's academy team at the Dallas Cup a couple of years ago. You know who turned around and beat that Texans team? TSC boys. That Texans team had 9 D1 commitments. I think the game was 3-2 or something like that.
On a different thread, the constant threads that people poo-poo American soccer make me want to scream. I am so sick of it. It is from pure ignoramuses on Youtube. Italy is struggling a lot in Europe, but you still don't hear the whining as if it is a problem across the board. I am jus
Well, "Project Messi" starts next month. Got my youngest signed up for WSA Futsal Academy. We'll see how it goes.
In a perfect world, she'd spend a ton of time in Futsal working with good coaches and come out with technical skill and a quick pace of play. We'd have some small sided, small group, soccer focused stuff in there, too. Around 10 or so, she'd move "outside" and join a team.
IDK. I spoke with a coach I really respect and they said it was really the best way to train in their opinion. They believe that so much that they've started a program just for that. Coach Alex from T90 Futbol has a program that is small groups, focused on technical proficiency and uses small sided games to apply concepts that he teaches. We'll get with him in the late spring after Futsal.
In a perfect world, she'd spend a ton of time in Futsal working with good coaches and come out with technical skill and a quick pace of play. We'd have some small sided, small group, soccer focused stuff in there, too. Around 10 or so, she'd move "outside" and join a team.
IDK. I spoke with a coach I really respect and they said it was really the best way to train in their opinion. They believe that so much that they've started a program just for that. Coach Alex from T90 Futbol has a program that is small groups, focused on technical proficiency and uses small sided games to apply concepts that he teaches. We'll get with him in the late spring after Futsal.
Interested to see how this works out for your daughter. Keep us updated. Sounds very much like what they do at AlphaForms
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Several GW 12's have been at FC Tulsa 11 trainings. leaning towards moving to energy 12's, if the players haven't already left
Where are they going to do Futsal training? The Tulsa Household Pollutant Collection facility?