Solid result. I see where there’s a significant separation between the top 4 in your league and the rest. How does GA nationals work? How many teams qualify from the frontier ?
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I believe the top 3 from Frontier auto qualify and we will probably get a 4th based on national ranking. They have 4 or 5 "Wildcard" spots.
Twice. Home and away. On some of the longer trips you might play home/away the same weekend to cut down on travel. Like Louisiana came to Tulsa and we played them twice here. We went to San Antonio and played them twice. Couple of teams have met at a neutral site to play. I think the conferences will get shaken up next year as more teams in this area join.
Looks like the games this weekend went about as expected for WSA. Neither the 10s or 12s were remotely competitive both losing 0-10. I watched the 10s game and it was the most non-competitive ECNL game I’ve ever watched. Very disappointed with what I saw. The difference in talent on that field was vast
Let's not sugar coat the state of girls' soccer in Tulsa. WSA's players are nothing more than average RL teams. (Minus 09's good RL team). TSC teams (Other than 13's) are average or below GA teams. Boy's are so divided between MLS and ECNL it hurts all of them. I've heard rumor boys are going back to TSC in droves. (I'm not out there but I hear) Also heard they are stealing a really good and well liked coached. Something has to change in Tulsa..........
13's 0-9
11's 0-8
09's 1-5
Unfortunately it looked the same throughout the whole girl's side.
11's 0-8
09's 1-5
Unfortunately it looked the same throughout the whole girl's side.
I know we like to blame the clubs for the state of girls soccer in the Tulsa Metro and they have earned that blame but the parents and players are likewise at fault. The truth of the matter is that most of the girls in Tulsa don’t train near as much as the girls in Dallas. There is little competition to make the top team and parents don’t push beyond that goal. This creates an environment of complacency and stagnation. Yes, population size does matter. However, drive and work ethic is also a driving factor. A factor which can be fixed but will take a much greater parent commitment. Both time wise and financial.
What are your goals? Is it to play D1 soccer, some level of college, the national team, the NWSL, or Europe? Tulsa's ECNL - NL club, in the past, did a pretty decent job of producing D1 soccer talent.
The top talent is disparate here — TSC GA, WSA NL, Blitz RL, OEFC, and even FC Dallas. Unfortunately, we don't have as much of it to make up the difference. It really is that simple. Get the talent together, and good things will happen. It has and will.
Everyone has different goals. Play varsity soccer is a goal for most girls. Playing at some level of college is another. We need to start with the 2013s and keep those girls home. The older groups likely aren’t coming back.
There are ZERO 2010 girls playing at TSC or Blitz currently which could make any type of significant difference in the WSA NL squad.
The 12s got stomped this weekend. I don't think I'd say they're an "average" RL team, but they certainly aren't a top NL team. They have lost all but 1 game this season, that's a fact. Another fact is: A lot of those games are fairly close. Another fact: This is the first year this group has been together. I think we're all judging WSA NL a little harshly right now.
I don't think people are judging "WSA" harshly. I think people are judging the talent and division across Tulsa. At the end of the day the results of GA, ECNL and Texas RL are embarrassing.
Put this in prospective. And this isn't a slight to any club or the players it's just a fact. 2012 age group between ECNL, Texas RL and GA have exactly 1 win in league games. That's not a club problem. That's not a coach problem. That's a development problem and the blame as Lawpoke say's goes all the way to the parents. They all still have time to develop!!!
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Exactly my point. Honor likes to think I’m picking on WSA and that’s 100% from the truth. The 2013’s Don’t even look at the NL and RL and Frontier RL , TSC NPL it’s beyond bad.
Broski, I have watched these games before. There have been promising results and not-so-good results.
It could be much better than what is currently unfolding. I guess the most outstanding high school coach in the history of the world could not change anything.
You all focus on one age group vs another. Tulsa will have some years when we are really, really good and other years when we are not. The point is to limit the down years.
Lawpoke's criticism is utterly hilarious. You can put things right in the face of the Tulsa and OKC teams executing vs Dallas and other Texas clubs, and he will still find ways to ***** about Tulsa and Oklahoma and say they can't ever perform.
I think the direct comparison is how Greenwood is doing. Their results have been much better than WSA's; there is no sugarcoating it. They aren't getting stomped out. They are getting some wins. Organizationally and administratively, they have been an utter nightmare.
I don't want to hear this BS about girls' soccer is different. The only difference here is that WSA was actually starting from an established base--fields, admin, teams, coaches, etc.... So I would argue that makes this look 10x even worse.
I’ll play. When was the last time a Tulsa girls team finished top 4 in the Texas league ECNL? Throw out the oldest age group as many of the Dallas players don’t play club their Senior year. The OKC teams who have success do so because they have the best girls from Tulsa and OKC on the roster.
Please put the list of those Tulsa top 4 league teams right in my face. I’ll be waiting
its important to note: the 12s have only been stomped by 3 teams. The others are relatively close.
It's also important to note that the only team to score less goals in Texas ECNL than the WSA 2012's (3) is the WSA 2013's (2). So I haven't watched your games but I assume your parking the bus. Now you do get a few of the softer teams to end the year so I expect more goals and another win or 2. I would hope you finish higher than last year since you combined the best of TSC and WSA. And this has nothing to do with the patch in the jersey.
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Come watch a game.
We are obviously struggling to score, but idk that parking the bus is accurate.
It seems that we have trouble converting possession into chances. We also do not try to stretch the field / play wide. It’s always through middle. Over and over and over.
I've been on the field for those 2 teams. They aren't parking the bus. They are both very well organized in the back. The issue for both of those teams (and most of the WSA NL/RL teams IMO) is they are still stuck trying to play hero ball in the final 1/3. They do well to move the ball up the field but there isn't a dynamic outside player to hit the nice services in and there's also no F who instinctively wants the ball sent in to them and making a dynamic run. At that age group that could simply be a product of having played on the smaller fields until now OR the hero ball worked against lesser opponents last year. Crazy thing is, I can hear the coaches and these seem like things they've worked on in training.
Honk, who is the coach of your daughter's team? Someone with South/Central American influence? That would explain playing through the middle. My son always played on teams where they wanted to come out of the back wide, work it to the middle through the middle 1/3 and then get into wide spaces deep in the final 1/3 to spread the defense out more and free up some space in the middle for service. Watch Brazil and Argentina play...everything goes through the middle with them as they have those dynamic MFs and strikers.
I'm a strong proponent of utilizing the wide space. My son had a coach who was not happy that everything was so compact in a scrimmage. He told the outside right forward to go stand on the white line (touchline) and he showed the boys how much freaking space it opened up in the attacking 1/3 with just that player staying out there and getting the ball ONCE. For some reason kids think you have to be between the arms of the 18 to score.
Preston Wiruth. I think he’s a fantastic coach. That being said: this same thing happened at TSC. The girls were allowed to keep making the same mistake over and over. We can’t force the ball through, it just doesn’t work.
My daughter can stand out wide, move around, challenge for the ball, scream / yell and it just doesn’t click. She can ask for through balls, over the top, whatever: it just doesn’t happen.
It hasn’t been corrected.
It's tough and I feel for your team as I do for the 13's at both clubs. I don't want girls to quit the game because it's lost the fun factor. Yes it's competitive soccer but kids still need to enjoy it. My kid scored for the first time in a probably 6 months (defense CM) and it made her weekend. (team won also). I got a text from a 13's parent after this weekend and it basically said "gotta do something different". I don't have the answers.
My daughter is having a great season. She’s scored, she’s created chances, she’s growing as a player.
Her personal goal was to get some shots against Solar. She did that and she was happy.
Preston has done at least 2 things for this group that I like: he’s set expectations and goals.
He expects them to work their absolute hardest and play the best they can and he set the goal to beat TX teams next year. He set that goal before our first training. We may all have different perspectives, but here’s what I know: these girls aren’t getting absolutely crushed, my daughter has improved and loves the game still, so much so that she’s open to futsal again. I think next year will be better, I think we have impressed some of the Tulsa parents / girls that are going to OKC and I don’t think it’s impossible to get some of them back.
it’s not the end of the world.
That's great. I would assume next year you will get help from some 2011's that can drop. I don't think you have but a couple 12's that can drop. I've always been impressed with Preston in that even though he has another job has always seemed full-time. Cyp has done wonders for the TSC 12's but they started soooo far behind. Just doesn't seem to be the couple Superstar's in the 12's (outside of Ella Hall) maybe some play for Energy?
From my observations, scoring goals is as much about the Jimmies and the Joes as coaching. Every high scoring team I’ve seen has one thing in common…an elite mid and a natural goal scoring forward. Tulsa has those in the 10s and 11s but those girls are playing at Energy. TSC also has that with their 13s.
Outside of Ella Hall, I haven’t seen that type of player in the 2012 age group in the Tulsa area. That’s not saying a girl or two can’t develop into an elite mid or forward. Time is starting to run out on that age group though.
Speaking of Ella Hall and other elite players. They obviously have genetic gifts. They also work very hard at their craft. Those girls don’t just go to team trainings and dominate games. They are great because of what they do behind the scenes. The things very few people get to see. Parents of our Tulsa area players need to understand what it takes to be an elite soccer player.
Outside of Ella Hall, I haven’t seen that type of player in the 2012 age group in the Tulsa area. That’s not saying a girl or two can’t develop into an elite mid or forward. Time is starting to run out on that age group though.
Speaking of Ella Hall and other elite players. They obviously have genetic gifts. They also work very hard at their craft. Those girls don’t just go to team trainings and dominate games. They are great because of what they do behind the scenes. The things very few people get to see. Parents of our Tulsa area players need to understand what it takes to be an elite soccer player.
One of the huge issues with a small market like Tulsa and even OKC to an extent is that the pool of players you have at u-12 is essentially what you’ll have through u-19. It’s not like Dallas or KC where you have other local NL or GA teams to pull from and also have lots of kids coming in to be Discovery Players. Tulsa is never going to convince out of state kids to be a DP. Ever. And as they get older the pool of players gets smaller. Kids quit, focus on high school soccer or get injured. The only thing that will essentially save most of the WSA teams is the age group change. And hopefully enough families can be convinced to move their kids to their respective graduation year.
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Ella is the only Tulsa 12G that I feel could come and play and actually be an improvement. I don’t think there are any like, unknown players or anything out there. I’d love to have her though.
One of the (good, bad, messed up) things about the division in Tulsa with ECNL and GA is that we have 3 girls playing both ECNL and GA. Others may look to do the same within 12-18 months. Why just play for FCD when you can play GA and train with Nathan Doll and this team 2 days a week? It's not for everyone but the elite players who might play for Energy can go to Dallas and play both. That's twice the showcase and twice the opportunities other players have.
I expect FCD is going to require those girls spend more time training in Frisco as they get older. Not sure how that shakes out long term. Energy requires their players to attend two trainings per week. Clubs are also only allowed two DP players ler team which limits opportunities
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Beat a TX team in a year? That is pretty special. Get 'em tiger! I mean if you suck that is one way to set it up.
I am not buying this BS that Tulsa can't do it. You are saying the Girls can't do anything because of some weird cultural issues and lack of talent. Well, it is possible but if the talent is being
Again, take a look at what happened with Greenwood's results at MLS Next Fest. They aren't getting thrashed. They are getting wins of teams. Are they taking down MLS academies left and right? No.
Are they beating teams in CA and other places ? Yup.
Sorry. The results are totally lame at WSA. It is the conflagration of those issues we have discussed. It doesn't have to be this way.
I don't have a records history as lawpoke is demanding but I think it has happened. The weird part is that is an issue with a lot of the Texas conference clubs as well too and not just Tulsa eg rapids, classic etc . There is an objective top group--Solar, Real, FC Dallas, Sting. But when you start taking the top players out of Tulsa because they feel the need to be in Dallas and OKC, it will result in worse results. It is guaranteed.
I’ll help you out. It happened several times prior to DA folding in 2020. However, when DA folded clubs like Solar, FC Dallas etc…joined ECNL and more specially what we now know as the Texas league. The DA was the best platform in Texas prior to folding. TSC has never really competed in the Texas league as it exists today. People remember the days of Hurricane / TSC having multiple teams near the top of the Texas standings. What they don’t understand is the makeup of the Texas league today is vastly different than it was 7-8 years ago. So you’re right it has happened but in a much different and weaker league.
Greenwood’s success can be significantly contributed to JM. He is an elite soccer trainer. There’s no one in Oklahoma who’s really close. They also have a couple of high level coaches.
Our Sting player is already doing 2 days with us and 2 days with Sting. I would expect that would have to be the commitment level for most players if they (and parents) are that committed.
That’s quite the commitment. My kid attends two team trainings a week and will hit a private or small group training (or two) depending on health. We also play quite a bit more than the Tulsa ECNL teams so we’re in Dallas often. I’m a big proponent of rest as girls get older. My kid is seldom 100% once the season starts. Something is always sore, bruised, etc. The girls game is so physical beginning at U15 at the ECNL level.