The MC announcers keep saying MC is #1. When did that happen 
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#1 in the state?
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Who has a harder strength of schedule in state?The MC announcers keep say MC is #1. When did that happen
Depending on the week/ publication they have been #1 somewhere almost the entire seasonThe MC announcers keep say MC is #1. When did that happen
Not that either team can prove it, it’s just interesting that their announcers swear that they are. Like, if they say it enough, everyone will just get on board with it. ESL never openly makes that claim. Just all out weird…. 
The first half.The MC announcers keep say MC is #1. When did that happen
Loyola #2
ESL #3
I know right. It should be obvious.:The MC announcers keep say MC is #1. When did that happen
1) Wilmington
2) Mt Carmel
3) Brother Rice
4) ESL
etc...
Head to head games vs MC overrides those.
This is MOT. A bold statement
If your team gets 33 penalties in a game… you can’t expect to be called the top team in any state
If your team gets 33 penalties in a game… you can’t expect to be called the top team in any state
But what if your team got 33 penalties and 300 yards in penalties but won by 40 in a very hostile environment against an undefeated opponent?
I’ve said this numerous times….ESL played a very strong schedule and LOST to every single tough opponent they played.
Mt Carmel played a tough schedule ALL SEASON and is playing in the highest playoff bracket possible and is not only playing but dominating in it.
In conclusion…LOSING…again…L…O…S…I…N…G to Nationally ranked teams and then playing down two levels of competition doesn’t put you in the same conversation.
ESL is great at what they do and a great team. Hats off to you for being a safe haven for so many D1 athletes facing hardships it’s commendable. However, until the conference lets them play up to the competition they will not be considered #1.
It’s like giving a 20 year old the 3rd grade spelling bee trophy.
Mt Carmel played a tough schedule ALL SEASON and is playing in the highest playoff bracket possible and is not only playing but dominating in it.
In conclusion…LOSING…again…L…O…S…I…N…G to Nationally ranked teams and then playing down two levels of competition doesn’t put you in the same conversation.
ESL is great at what they do and a great team. Hats off to you for being a safe haven for so many D1 athletes facing hardships it’s commendable. However, until the conference lets them play up to the competition they will not be considered #1.
It’s like giving a 20 year old the 3rd grade spelling bee trophy.
I think you are giving way too much credit to the average 20 year old.
Touché…I should have went with 8th grader or maybe change it up to an arm wrestling match. Either way, a trophy is still an accomplishment no doubt but 15 other teams that day get to go home with one. And 4 of those teams at a higher level than ESL 3 coming out of significantly stronger/tougher conference that won some/most of their tough games.
All.... For your viewing enjoyment this is what Massey is showing. Ratsy
ESL @ Mt. Carmel 35-34 Caravan (52%)
Mt. Carmel @ ESL 35 -31 Flyers (56%)
ESL @ Mt. Carmel 35-34 Caravan (52%)
Mt. Carmel @ ESL 35 -31 Flyers (56%)
Absolutely clueless!!! Just laughable that you can compare IMG and Bishop Gorman to ANYTHING MC has faced this year. The world is BIG, you should get outside of your little bubble for once. If Big fish in a small pond were ever personified, you’d be the poster-child.
We’re talking just last year! We basically clocked Loyola who demolished Mt. Carmel and went on to win 8A. If that doesn’t factor anything for you, (who am I kidding, it doesn’t), you’re more lost than one can imagine!
Just answer this, what’s your take on last year? Would ESL had won 8A if given the opportunity?
You’re a Naz guy anyway, correct? Let the adults have this one……
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Not even when the beat they 8a champ by 30?
Should you also mention that Loyola’s offense was scoreless?? Or does that drive the point home too much?
Should you also mention that when our week 2 came open this year, we immediately reached out to Loyola to play. Their response was basically, “No way in Hell”
Hes been saying this for a while and I still dont get it. I dont care if you dont think ESL is better than MC or whoever. But atleast have a consistent, defendable reason for that opinion. You would think after years of making the same claim you would be able to make a better argument than hes come up with.
Here's a two question for you,
1. Instead of just saying ESL cant be number 1, can you make your case that someone other than ESL was number 1 last year?
2. You have said ESL cant be even considered in the top 5 this year. Can you explain how each of those 5 teams are better than ESL?
Watching ESL all year, and then watching MC play a common opp in Belleville East @ East, I could see that.
The formula for determining the best team in the state of Illinois is quite simple.
1) The team must win a state championship in one of the eight classifications.
2) The team is assigned points that correspond to the class level in which it won the championship.
* Games against out-of-state teams are not used in this formula because we are determining the best team in the state.
3) Subtract one point for each loss the team has incurred.
4) For unbeaten teams, divide the closest margin of victory by ten and consider the result to be points earned for use in this formula.
5) Add and subtract points as called for in steps 2, 3 and 4. The team with the most points is the best team in the state.
So, as things presently stand, and assuming both Mt. Carmel and East St. Louis go on to win their respective state championships, here are the calculations.
Mt. Carmel = 8 - 0 + .4 = 8.4 points
East St. Louis = 6 - 0 + 3.9 = 9.9 points
East St. Louis should be considered the best team in the state unless either Nazareth or Fenwick loses to them by less than 24 points in the 6A state championship game.
1) The team must win a state championship in one of the eight classifications.
2) The team is assigned points that correspond to the class level in which it won the championship.
* Games against out-of-state teams are not used in this formula because we are determining the best team in the state.
3) Subtract one point for each loss the team has incurred.
4) For unbeaten teams, divide the closest margin of victory by ten and consider the result to be points earned for use in this formula.
5) Add and subtract points as called for in steps 2, 3 and 4. The team with the most points is the best team in the state.
So, as things presently stand, and assuming both Mt. Carmel and East St. Louis go on to win their respective state championships, here are the calculations.
Mt. Carmel = 8 - 0 + .4 = 8.4 points
East St. Louis = 6 - 0 + 3.9 = 9.9 points
East St. Louis should be considered the best team in the state unless either Nazareth or Fenwick loses to them by less than 24 points in the 6A state championship game.
He’s beyond repair.
Here are the formula calculations for the 2024 season.
Loyola = 8 - 2 + 0 = 6
Mt. Carmel = 7 - 2 + 0 = 5
East St. Louis = 6 - 0 + .7 = 6.7
Nazareth = 5 - 2 + 0 = 3
DePaul = 4 - 3 + 0 = 1
Montini = 3 - 2 + 0 = 1
Chicago Christian = 2 - 1 + 0 = 1
Belleville Althoff = 1 - 0 + .1 = 1.1
East St. Louis should be considered the best team in the state last year, which, of course, was reinforced by the fact they beat Loyola 34-7. Mt. Carmel finished in third place in the CCL/ESCC Blue Division.
Loyola = 8 - 2 + 0 = 6
Mt. Carmel = 7 - 2 + 0 = 5
East St. Louis = 6 - 0 + .7 = 6.7
Nazareth = 5 - 2 + 0 = 3
DePaul = 4 - 3 + 0 = 1
Montini = 3 - 2 + 0 = 1
Chicago Christian = 2 - 1 + 0 = 1
Belleville Althoff = 1 - 0 + .1 = 1.1
East St. Louis should be considered the best team in the state last year, which, of course, was reinforced by the fact they beat Loyola 34-7. Mt. Carmel finished in third place in the CCL/ESCC Blue Division.
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Fun time of year for those to go back and forth on hypothetical match ups that wont happen...
Although I do want to see fun with Matchups
Fun with Massey:
- Bishop Gorman vs Mt Carmel - 34-26 Bishop Gorman
- Bergen Catholic vs. Mt Carmel - 31-28 Bergen
- IMG vs. Mt Carmel - 41-21 IMG
How did East St Louis do?
- Lost 35-10 to Bishop Gorman
- Lost 22-21 to Bergen
- Lost 38-14 to IMG
Although I do want to see fun with Matchups
Fun with Massey:
- Bishop Gorman vs Mt Carmel - 34-26 Bishop Gorman
- Bergen Catholic vs. Mt Carmel - 31-28 Bergen
- IMG vs. Mt Carmel - 41-21 IMG
How did East St Louis do?
- Lost 35-10 to Bishop Gorman
- Lost 22-21 to Bergen
- Lost 38-14 to IMG
The MC Announcers are 14 and 15 years old respectively. So tired of the MC/ESL debate. I joke ESL hasn't beat MC since the Reagan era but it's true. We played 2 years ago, MC won, played in the playoffs in 2017 and 2018, MC wins both and talent wise those teams weren't on the same level as this team. We can beat this dead horse some more but I say let it rest peacefully. If we play next year as rumored we will see, and if MC wins people will still say they aren't the best. I really don't care if they get a ranking, I care if they get the championship trophy and a State ring at the end of the season.The MC announcers keep saying MC is #1. When did that happen
Why are we living in the past? We are talking about this year. Last year you beat Loyola in what week 1? Didn't St Francis also beat Loyola? If we are going based on beating the 8a Champ in the regular season then I guess you have to include Franny in the conversation too right? See how dumb that is? So Last year you beat the same 8a champ a 5a school beat. Once again you lost to the nationally ranked team and then you beat up everyone else while playing down to a few levels of competition.
In regards to number 2, I have said and continue to say that this season ESL with the amount of losses they had shouldn't be considered in the top 5. If the Number 1 team loses are they still number 1? If they lose twice are they still number 1? if they lose a 3rd time are they still number 1? I don't care if they played the '85 bears since when are losses rewarded with #1 rankings? When they beat up Fenwick or Naz next week they can be in the end of year top 5 maybe even #3 because I am feeling generous.
5A St Francis also beat Loyola and then got beat by Naz in the Semi finals....what's the point?
What happens when you account for the losses out of state that they beat their chests about?
Look at us we played Bishop Gorman and Lost....kiss the ring!
MC plays a harder conference schedule thus can't play out of state schools as frequently as ESL. ESL losing three out of state games means nothing as they will cake walk into the playoffs. I have never looked but with the conference making ESL stay in 6A makes no sense although I am not certain how successful that conference is beyond ESL.
MC has to pay for the travel so I am certain MC is not looking to play out of state by choice.
MC has to pay for the travel so I am certain MC is not looking to play out of state by choice.
Exactly! both teams would lose to the same teams and beat the same teams however one team will not play the other and instead plays down two classes from where the other is playing and I believe is still undefeated.
Losing 3 games and playing inferior competition all season then playing two classes below the undefeated Caravan is not an impressive resume.
And ESL travels for free?