Dude, you cant be a "Debbie Downer" today....Better go cheer your coach up who was talking about jumping off buildings in his postgame presser Friday nite...We just made history buddy...
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Dude, you cant be a "Debbie Downer" today....Better go cheer your coach up who was talking about jumping off buildings in his postgame presser Friday nite...We just made history buddy...
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I'm not saying we deserve a 1 seed, but if these idiots think unx is a one over us, then I'm a monkey singing the blues.
Again, I don't think we'll get a 1 seed, but I want to see it happen just to see all of the meltdowns.
Palm calls us one and i called this scenario a long time ago
I dont think you guys should get a one honestly. Great achievement winning the acc tournament obviously but if they had you as a 4 or 5 before the tourney thats an epic leap. the first 2 seed obviously. I hate the bias though on espn. If we had beaten you in the first game and you were missing your starting sf they basically would pretend the game never happened. And I keep hearing how duke has had all these injuries and overcome them, which is great, but theres no balance. Unc has played 2 games all year with its whole complement of players and its barely mentioned.
Anyways just my honest opinion. great accomplishment winning the acc tourney and I doubt anyone wants to play you guys right now. well, except me because I love the games between us two and Id love to see one more with the stakes at an all time high.
Anyways just my honest opinion. great accomplishment winning the acc tourney and I doubt anyone wants to play you guys right now. well, except me because I love the games between us two and Id love to see one more with the stakes at an all time high.
I don't think Duke deserves a 1 but I certainly don't think unc does and never did. They've beaten literally no one away from home.
Listen. Duke was a 3 or 4 going into ACC. Almost all losses came because of injury, or hell, not having K. The committee has a history of overlooking faults if there are legit injuries then to how you are playing now. Duke showed the rest of the country how they are now, and arguably, what they just did is harder than winning the NCAA Championship. If you go by past standards, Duke being a one is a no brainer.
And for the love of God, UCONN was not better than a 7 or 8 prior to BE tournament and wound up a 3 seed in 2011...
And for the love of God, UCONN was not better than a 7 or 8 prior to BE tournament and wound up a 3 seed in 2011...
Well, we will see if history can be made with the first 8 loss team to be a #1 and the first 5th place conference team to be a #1. I doubt it. But, maybe.
Duke is only in the conversation. They won't ultimately get a #1 seed. Besides, the 5th place in the ACC thing is a little overblown with the unbalanced schedule. Duke has more top-30 wins in a road/neutral setting just by beating Notre Dame last night....and that was their third in three days. UNC doesn't have a single one all season. They were 0-6.
Do this....put UNC and Duke's resume's side-by-side and tell me who you think, honestly, should probably be seeded/ranked higher.
The UNC fans talking about the Regular season results is comical..... they completely ignore their schedule compared to ours. Wonder why that is
Let's be honest here. The players who misssed any significant time for UNC were Theo Pinson and Michael Jor-- I mean Kenny Williams. Duke missed Harry Giles, Jayson Tatum, and Marques Bolden---at the same time. Not to mention senior captain Amile Jefferson, Grayson Allen, and the GOAT.
How they can come over on our board and talk our resume DOWN for a 1 seed down, after we beat them 2 of 3, won the ACC TITLE and just dispatched 3 ranked teams in 3 days is honestly BEYOND ME....
http://balldurham.com/2017/03/12/ncaa-tournament-projections-duke-basketball/
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http://balldurham.com/2017/03/12/ncaa-tournament-projections-duke-basketball/
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Boy Palms draw will bring out the wolves! That would be ideal.
I think they are relatively even. I think both should be 2s. However, I think UNC is going to get the 1 because they were 1st in the ACC and because Arizona has like a true dearth of good wins, despite all their losses, which are few, not being bad losses at all.
Think Duke will be highest 2 seed in the Midwest.
1s.
Nova East
Kansas Midwest
Gonzaga West
UNC South
2s
Duke Midwest
Arizona West
Kentucky South
Louisville East
You UNC folks are aware the ACC regular season schedule is unbalanced right?
And if you are aware...try to use logic to figure out this problem...
Are road games or home games more difficult?
If you answered road games...then who had by far the hardest road schedule in the unbalanced schedule? Duke or UNC??
If you answered home games...you are a moron....
If you answered that UNC road schedule was harder than Duke's you are a moron...
If you answered the ceiling is the roof...you are a moron...that wasn't even an option...
Reg. Season means next to nothing in the ACC anymore..it's all seeding for the tournament...
And if you are aware...try to use logic to figure out this problem...
Are road games or home games more difficult?
If you answered road games...then who had by far the hardest road schedule in the unbalanced schedule? Duke or UNC??
If you answered home games...you are a moron....
If you answered that UNC road schedule was harder than Duke's you are a moron...
If you answered the ceiling is the roof...you are a moron...that wasn't even an option...
Reg. Season means next to nothing in the ACC anymore..it's all seeding for the tournament...
2 out of 3 is 66.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666% Which is > then even.
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You know, in 2003, i said to my basketball coach "no way Duke was a three seed." he looked at me, and said "ok, who should Duke be higher than?". I looked at it and said no one.
What 4 teams are better than Duke? Duke proved a lot this week. The eye test certainly has Duke better than UNC. If Duke does not get a one, the committee cannot use ANY injury as a reason to bump up or down anyone. Bottom line, the vast majority of losses came during injuries. Hell wasn't someone out at Syracuse? What is your personnel and health going into the tournament? Is there anyone hotter than Duke?
And I am fine with Duke not a one. But if they aren't and UNCheat is. Boy... I asked an ex-committee member in 2010 if they discuss conference sos and he looked at me funny. Thing is, UNC showed NEXT TO NO ability away from the nose. Duke, at UVA, at ND, vs UNC, vs Fla., vs UL, vs ND...
What 4 teams are better than Duke? Duke proved a lot this week. The eye test certainly has Duke better than UNC. If Duke does not get a one, the committee cannot use ANY injury as a reason to bump up or down anyone. Bottom line, the vast majority of losses came during injuries. Hell wasn't someone out at Syracuse? What is your personnel and health going into the tournament? Is there anyone hotter than Duke?
And I am fine with Duke not a one. But if they aren't and UNCheat is. Boy... I asked an ex-committee member in 2010 if they discuss conference sos and he looked at me funny. Thing is, UNC showed NEXT TO NO ability away from the nose. Duke, at UVA, at ND, vs UNC, vs Fla., vs UL, vs ND...
I am well aware of what you are saying. And, I understand the huge recency bias in the result happening last night.
Many analysts had the same shock result conversations last night, but upon waking up and having a night to ponder it, kept Duke at the 2.
I think Duke's resume is good. I think you can argue in ways it is better or worse than UNC's.
Duke for example has worse losses than UNC and an additional loss. Duke had a weaker non-onf sos.
Duke on the other hand had more top 25 wins, and road wins over top 50 teams.
It is liie splitting hairs and the resumes are relatively even. However, I think the finishing 1st on the ACC is what will ultimately give UNC the 1 seed due to Duke only finishing 5th.
That is my two cents.
Ironically, I think many of us might agree being a weaker 2 seed is more advantageous than being a 1 seed. If you had say the 7th best s curve, you could be the 2 in the East. I think Duke or UNC would prefer that over having to be in Kansas bracket as the top 2 or in Kentuckys bracket as the weakest 1.
LOL, you think we care about being 5th in conference? We had setbacks outside of basketball. We got through it. Our top two frontcourt guys are not 100%, and we're still taking out all competition all the sudden. We good, brother.
This is a slippery slope. Have to realize many of your injuries were to players they would consider not major players. Such as Giles, Bolden. Allen, Tatum, Jefferson are maybe the only injuries that matter in regards to that.
But, if you count that, then does the Hicks injury in the 1st duke game mean that loss does not matter?
Does Joel Berry's injury and the struggles versus teams like Tennessee not matter?
I mean, I think the injury argument is digging extremely deep and many teams could argue it.
Hell, if we go the injury argument, Arizona was without Trier for 19 games and lost 3 if not all 4 of their games in that stretch. Arizona should be a 1 over them both then.
Injuries are hard to account for, and not something I would hang my hat on for reasoning. It generally is used in consideration of making the tourney by the committee, not seeding.
And the fact you feel the need to come over here and have a circle jerk when we just punked your behind is very telling...
I don't like the injury excuse. But Duke is 2 and 1 against UNC. Duke has a lot of good road / neutral site wins. UNC has zero wins away from home against anyone worth a damn. I don't think there's any argument for UNC to be seeded higher. None. With that said they both should be on the 2 line.
Butterbutt, you carried a tiny bit of weight over here, right up to the post where you actually tried to say unc's injuries this season have been just as bad as ours. If you truly believe that, i'd prefer you just ran along because there is simply no help for you. You two soft blue scrubs sure are talking a lot of **** here lately and I for one am getting tired of it. Move along for a day or two while we celebrate kicking your asses twice, eliminating your over rated asses from the ACC tournament, completing the toughest 4 game run in ACC tournament history all while overcoming one HELL of a plethora of injuries that not only were ten times what you had but also cost us our head coach for a month. Now, GTF outta here with this crap. If you need to pound your chest go pound it along with your pud with Gary , Keysersgaynow, Gunslingersadick and DMouthr.
I personally don't care if we get a 1 seed or a 2 seed...
But if the argument is should it be Duke or UNC for a 1 seed and the other would be a 2 seed...I really don't think there is an argument...
UNC folks have to use finishing first in an unbalanced schedule because it's all they have....we can literally spit out tons of reasons why duke deserves it...can't do the same for UNC
But if the argument is should it be Duke or UNC for a 1 seed and the other would be a 2 seed...I really don't think there is an argument...
UNC folks have to use finishing first in an unbalanced schedule because it's all they have....we can literally spit out tons of reasons why duke deserves it...can't do the same for UNC
Im not sure what is so hard to understand about it. Duke does have 8 losses, but they had by far the most obstacles to overcome of any of the teams in the running for a one seed. Played in the toughest conference and had one of the toughest schedules in that conference. They have 1 loss on a neutral court by 2 points to Kansas, who will be a one seed. That loss was without Giles and Tatum.
Duke just beat two top 10 teams and 1 top 20 team in a 4 day span on a neutral court. That is impressive, and must be taken into account. Sure, their resume isnt perfect. Who's is? There is only one bad loss to be seen. It's not all about who has the worst losses or more losses. Unbalanced scheduling and conference strength have to be accounted for. Duke has done enough good stuff to warrant a one seed.
Duke just beat two top 10 teams and 1 top 20 team in a 4 day span on a neutral court. That is impressive, and must be taken into account. Sure, their resume isnt perfect. Who's is? There is only one bad loss to be seen. It's not all about who has the worst losses or more losses. Unbalanced scheduling and conference strength have to be accounted for. Duke has done enough good stuff to warrant a one seed.
i just love being part of the 1 seed conversation. Hell a month ago Duke was NIT bound at THR and RR. Now both are having meltdown at just the thought of Duke being a 1 seed. Even saw one at RR that's going to killing someone if Duke gets the 1. LOL you can't make this **** up. How many true idiots are there at RR and THR.
I'm not losing any sleep over the 1 or 2 seed for Duke or UNC, but Imajericho for you to argue the Heels to get it because of your better conference record is ridiculous. That would hold some water if you had played the best teams on the road...and won. I've read some of your posts over at THR about the game, and the Louisville game also. You were piss mad at Duke receiving the calls, adding the Heels couldn't guard us or the refs would call even more fouls.
No, the basis for you and every damn THR poster's reason why UNC is more worthy is because you think you were fu@ked out of the loss to Duke at the ACCT by the refs (and the loss at Cameron too)...hell any loss for that matter. And the boy cried wolf **** is really getting old.
Now Carolina may go further than Duke (as everyone on THR is predicting---wouldn't bet the farm though), but this is not about the future it's about the present. And at the present we have a better resume, and we beat that Tar Heel donkey twice.
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No, the basis for you and every damn THR poster's reason why UNC is more worthy is because you think you were fu@ked out of the loss to Duke at the ACCT by the refs (and the loss at Cameron too)...hell any loss for that matter. And the boy cried wolf **** is really getting old.
Now Carolina may go further than Duke (as everyone on THR is predicting---wouldn't bet the farm though), but this is not about the future it's about the present. And at the present we have a better resume, and we beat that Tar Heel donkey twice.
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There is a lot of reasons to argue it.
You have an extra loss. You have worse losses. You finished 5th in your conference. Your non-conf sos is worse. Your RPI, BPI, Kenpom, Sagarin, basically every metric you rank worse in.
Your arguments for being ahead is that you have more top 25 wins and more top wins on the road.
It is like splitting hairs, but to say there is not any real argument for UNC to be ahead of you is just silly, imo. There is arguments both ways.
I know a lot of you guys try to give these morons the benefit of the doubt when theyvome over here and attempt to be civil. However, and I've said this before, eventually their true colors come through. They are all the same. Not one is different than the other.
Yeah, right, and I didn't hear any denial on the charge I levied at you, and the rest of THR. Hatred and jealously is a terrible thing.
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Just discussing the topic with you. I do not have to agree with you.
I agree their resumes are similar. I agree if there was 2 1s they should both get it. And if there was no 1s open, they should both be 2s. However, I believe in this situation the Regular Season Champs by 2 games will edge out the 1 and Duke will be the top 2 overall in the Midwest.
I may be wrong. In fact, it would suck for rematches UNC UK and KU Duke to be the 1-2s in both regions. However, it is what I see happening.
I understand your argument. I feel it just a tad strikes me as recency bias despite a very substantial amount of numbers that support your argument.
I just cannot see the NCAA making history with ab 8 loss team who finished 5th in their conference when another team with basically an equal resume exists that would let them bypass that can of worms.
I'm not sure they understand logic. You're right, their true colors always shine through.
If this was 15-years ago, winning the regular season argument. However, let me try to explain to you it in easy terms: Your ACC schedule SUCKED compared to Duke's. I do not know how the cheats do it, but ever since the ACC expanded, UNC's ACC schedule was weak sauce compared to Duke's almost every year. You have only two halfway decent wins away from the dome: Miami (neutral) and Wisconsin (neutral). Duke has vs Rhode Island, vs. Florida, at Notre Dame, at Virginia, vs Louisville, vs UNC, vs Notre Dame.
Hey, since 7 to 8 losses is not a big difference (and it is two losses when it includes the ACC Tournament), and Duke just won the toughest conference tournament in America, you tell me oh wise one, which resume screams better success?
Hey, since 7 to 8 losses is not a big difference (and it is two losses when it includes the ACC Tournament), and Duke just won the toughest conference tournament in America, you tell me oh wise one, which resume screams better success?