Does seem kind of weak on UK. Would like to hear opinions on this.
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/k...ely-claims-1950-national-championship.581638/
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/k...ely-claims-1950-national-championship.581638/
1950 Trophy
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Since it was a "mythical" championship back then we had as good a claim as 2-3 other teams so why not "claim" it since we beat the regular season #1 in a bowl...bird in the hand?
About time UK recognizes and promotes football achievements. Statue great too. All this long overdue. So glad we are starting to be positive and promote our accomplishments!
I'm not a huge fan of making a trophy for it, but have no problem claiming it as it is in the record books. Us claiming that is no different than Ohio State claiming 1970, Alabama claiming 1941, etc.
They lined up their full team and we lined up our full team. We won on the grid iron. We beat them and that means we are National Champs. No other way to be a National Champ than win the game.
No issue with this. UK has claim to that national title...football titles are a bit funny back in the day anyways so no issue. The Alabama one mentioned is really funny I think.
That 1941 Bama one is a joke and they claim it. Bama finished 20th in the AP poll at the end of the season but somehow won some National Championship...hell, they finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
They finished first but then we beat them after final rankings came out iirc. I think that gives us more than a fair claim.
Sagarin sez we finished th year #1, so it isn't our claim but theirs
So what you're saying is that Alabama and OSU can fudge titles they didn't win but UK can't? For one thing it's not fudging. We did win it on the field. The only claim to the contrary is based on the fact that we didn't have a post season playoff back then like we do now. If you were to hold current teams to the standard of where you finished at the end of the regular season neither of our last two national champions would be able to claim a title either. It's a disputed title I grant you but we are one of the teams that has the right to claim it. I love the fact that they are doing it.
The titles back determined differently. The last game of the regular season ended the season and OU was awarded the championship because bowl games were considered exhibition games and didn't count. Right or wrong its how they decided then. Apparently they decided it was wrong and they changed it to include the bowl games, making them mean something. That evolved to what we have today where it is actually won on the field, if you make the playoffs.
Yes, by all means let's be embarrassed of what football success we have had. That's what the trolls want...
Oklahoma was number one at the end of season, but lost the Sugar Bowl to Kentucky. Tennessee lost to Old Miss, early in the year, but beat Kentucky, and then beat number 2 Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Most of the polls had Tennessee as the champion, although some had Oklahoma. Nobody had UK as champion at the time, but it was a great year and a great accomplishment. You need to get something more current to feel good about...
To most on here it seem that the game never happened. But for the real Kentucky Football fans this game did happen and we won that game. There for UK should claim the 1950 National Championship. Yes there should be a Trophy and we should be proud.
Yep, definitely weak. Just kills the pristine reputation of our football program to recognize the best year in our program's history and lay claim to something that most programs haven't even come close to sniffing much less legitimately claiming (which we have ample reason for doing).
Lots of Round Ball only fans hating.
There were two teams with one loss UK & UT. How in the world the polls could than rank 6 other teams ahead of us back then is ridiculous and would never be the case today. Under the identical scenario today, if there were no championship serious, Kentucky would be the unanimous #1 ranked team and national champion.
I am of the opinion that UK should stop claiming this title. Yes we beat Oklahoma on the field, but the national champion had already been determined.
UK claiming the 1950 NC is based on some guy saying decades later that IF this system had been in place, THEN UK would have won it. We can play the IF/THEN game all day.
I understand Alabama and other schools claim championships this way. Many would be tempted to say why not UK. Guess we could, just my opinion that we shouldn't. After all for those who were alive in January 1951, did you get to buy shirts, gear and attend a celebration?
UK claiming the 1950 NC is based on some guy saying decades later that IF this system had been in place, THEN UK would have won it. We can play the IF/THEN game all day.
I understand Alabama and other schools claim championships this way. Many would be tempted to say why not UK. Guess we could, just my opinion that we shouldn't. After all for those who were alive in January 1951, did you get to buy shirts, gear and attend a celebration?
First let me say I am a cardinal fan, before I get banned and bashed for this hear me out. I do not care if UK claims the 1950 championship they were the best team that year by proving that on the field. I also do not care that UK wants to create a championship trophy for that season. The issue that you will run into the most is that the NCAA does not recognize UK as the champion of that year. The championship was decided before any bowl games and NCAA recognizes OU they also claim it, you can look at both websites and see for yourself. I am glad that you are on the way up in football it makes the rivalry better. Is the arguing worth it in the long run for something that far back???
Many programs have retroactively claimed championships from that period of time. I have no idea if those programs also made a trophy to symbolize the accomplishment, but I honestly see no issue with it if they did.
I'm waiting to order my 1950 National Championship tee shirt......and I will wear it.
I'll take the other angle here . . . I think it's ballsy. It's saying who cares what everybody else thinks, we're proud of it, we think we were the best, and we're going to claim it.
It's not like we should be worried about what others will thing of us. What do you think they've thought of us in football over the last 50 years. The time for being a wall flower is over . . . stand up and be noticed (one way or the other!).
While we're at it, we got screwed on that last play at Florida a couple years ago so we're claiming that too - streak over!
A couple of years ago I saw a UK hat that had 1951 Sugar Bowl Champs on it. Wish I had bought it...
Yea I would like to have that too....would proudly wear it.
This is basically how I feel about it. It should be enough to proudly display the 1951 Sugar Bowl trophy, along with a plaque that states that UK beat #1 Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl and was ranked #1 by Jeff Sagarin in xxxx (insert year Sagarin came out with his rankings).
It was a helluva accomplishment, even if it wasn't recognized as a national championship at that time.
My grandfather was on that team.
They are the National Champions of 1950... I don't care what anyone says.
UK beat Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. So, it's UK's fault that there wasn't a post-bowl poll? How can it be ridiculed? Yes, UK's football history after Bear Bryant is mediocre at best, but during the Bear years, UK was solid program.
Is this just salt, because UofL will never, and I mean NEVER see a football national title? The only collision course the Cards are on is when honest Bob hops on his Harley.
Just to be clear I have no problem with the argument that UK should have been #1 based on today's standards. But commissioning a "National Champion" trophy some 65 years after the event just seems like a little bit too much to me. The belated "claim" of a championship based on a Sagarin statistical study carries far less historical weight than the actual game itself - breaking OK's 47 (?) game win streak. JMO
Peace