AOC ain't even old enough to run for President so I ain't worried about anyone cept your boy who is our President today, but I understand ya all are needing more **** to scare his dwindling base, and Venezuela ain't got our economy so keep ya'lls faulty analogies for the rubes at one of your rallies, lol, enjoy the winning, Pelosi has ****** us!
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Seems to me if she's out there talking about the virtues of Socialism she has an ongoing experiment there in Venezuela she can point to as her shining example. Maybe you and her can plan your next vacation there? You might get down there and decide you want to stay. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Lol, it ain't our job to educate ya dumbasses on here, it's like oxygen is essential, food isn't, get it skippy? eventually they will all be essential again,
What made them "non-essential" in the first place and what will make them "essential" again? What if we just keep them "non-essential" and save the money?
Now I know you work for the Government and why you are "non-essential" after posting this!
So, AirTraffic Controllers and Coast Guard Personnel, et. al., are non essential? The screening personnel that allow you access to board aircraft at commercial air facilities are classified as
non essential. If they are non essential, why do we have them for any reason. Non essential means they are not needed. I don't believe that either case I have mentioned the personnel are not needed.
Don't use a play on words in trying to justify your argument.
I didn't classify them Finney...Government bureaucrats did. While it is true we need those folks, where is it written that they have to work for the Government to do what it is we consider essential that they do?
If they were subcontracted out to the private sector or were working for private companies wouldn't they be getting paid right now?
Well, The Coast Guard wouldn't do well as an Independent Contractor CEO being subserviant to the Department of Defense. Same would apply if they were still a part of The Dept of Transportation. Mister Reagan set the Record straight about the Air Traffic Controllers.
So baggage screeners can't screen bags unless they work for the Government? Air traffic controllers can't keep planes from crashing into each other unless they are working for the Government? Food inspectors can't inspect food for safety unless they work for Government?
Finney, have you ever heard of an ASE certified technician? I work in the car business and ASE certified techs are the finest in the industry anywhere. An ASE (Automotive Service Excellence) certified tech is the best you can expect to have working on your vehicle if you bring it in for repairs. It is rigorous training and they don't give ASE certification away to anyone but if you can become ASE-certified... it is a recognized standard of excellence.
They do not work for the Government nor are they Government-certified! There are many other professional certification companies that can qualify air traffic controllers, baggage handlers, or any other professional skills personnel without the need of the Government and they probably can do it better and cheaper.
If this shutdown teaches us anything it's that maybe perhaps just maybe we have more government than we really need and non-essential isn't as essential as we all would like to think?
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Pretty good there; you replied to one of the three classifications I mentioned. What happened to ATC's And the Coast Guard.
And oh by the way, you mentioned that you graduated from high school in 1969; I was six years married and working six years in the Natural Gas Industry in 1969. With that in mind, and my being your elder you should in future refer to me as Mr. Finney. heh,heh,heh
Finney if I was in high school at 11 years of age I would be sitting where Trump is right now.[winking]
I didn't mention the Coast Guard because I believe they are under the auspices of the US Armed Forces. We most certainly can privatize the operations of the ATC. We do hire the Armed Forces folks to protect the country and I don't have a problem with that.
My post was simply to illustrate that a lot of the things we think only government can do others in the private sector can also do and probably better as well as cheaper. With us being 21 trillion dollars in debt I don't see why we wouldn't be exploring as many cost-saving options for taxpayers as possible.
The founders did actually encompass my vision of a all encompassing energy source when they carefully used the phrase “they are endowed by THEIR creator”.....as my source of natural creation is that mystical unicorn making energy that embodies all that is and ever was.....that’s were I get my rights, maybe yours comes from another source? Maybe Thomas Payne’s comes from another different than yours or mine? Maybe the Jewish American or the Muslim American derive from yet another source? Maybe the Atheist American is endowed from even another source of natural rights?
The Founders were smarter than the rigid and brittle mind of the absolutist that forces structure into the foundation of a nation without concern or respect for others that think differently than themselves. They understood that such rigidity and blind ignorance would crumble against the variable forces of time.
But keep touting how the Founders adherence to Christian values is the reason for all glory of our nation, and while you’re at it make sure to only answer 3/5ths of your next census form - oh and if you truly want to honor them, maybe you should give up your right to vote....since it wasn’t until the founders children’s children when that was accepted as a Christian-American righteous act.
I remember the moon landing...
Marion Holiday Inn...
Last stop before the beach...
Watched it on a 7 or 9 inch b/w tv...
Marion Holiday Inn...
Last stop before the beach...
Watched it on a 7 or 9 inch b/w tv...
You know what Boomer you're right. In your characteristically relativist way, you've stumbled into the Truth. The Founders were indeed talking about "any" Creator or "any" God in their Construction of the Constitution and who endowed us with our God given inalienable rights. You are 100% correct Sir.
So tell me then boomer. Why do you and the rest of the Left exclude all of the other "Gods" in your constant criticisms of the faults of our Founders, and place all of their shortcomings, prejudices, racial biases, and Religious intolerance onto the Christian God of the Holy Bible?
All of the wrath on the Left isn't reserved for all of those other deities you mentioned who should be held equally liable for leaving Black folks like me only 3/5th human correct? What 1/5th of my humanity was left short of yours and which God among your many that the Founders were recognizing did that to me huh boom?
Why is only the Christian God and those who recognize his authority over our civil Government the only one among your multiple Godheads who is ever singled out by you and the rest of the Left for scorn?
Explain please?
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You once again confuse me in your typical relativism. In the same post you argue the Founders were NOT specifically codifying the Judeo Christian God as a foundation to our great nation. Correct?
Then you turn around less than three sentences later and blame them for setting up an unfair system of inequality for my Black ancestors!
So which is it? Which God deserves their criticism boom? Who were they speaking on behalf of when they said I was less than created equal?
Your Unicorn?
I'm sorry boom....I've just twisted your relativist mind into an incomprehensible knot huh? Just admit you are factually unable to respond to my challenge to you to name the God the Founders recognized among many who left me 3/5ths human?
I'll wait for you to develop a marvelously relativistic response. But "jumbly bumbly" simply confirms your ineptness to intellectually deconstruct my challenge to you.
Carry on boomer. Meantime, why don't you read another good fairy tale? Surely you can at least handle that right my Man? [winking]
Actually, if you could slow yourself down and really read the post, you’d see that I referenced the intelligence and clairvoyance to leave the room for diversity in their description of the source. I also cautioned YOU on touting a Christian influenced base of American ideology, because the Founders (from whatever source they see themselves as derived) felt totally justified in viewing you and all women as less of a being with less rights than themselves.You once again confuse me in your typical relativism. In the same post you argue the Founders were NOT specifically codifying the Judeo Christian God as a foundation to our great nation. Correct?
Then you turn around less than three sentences later and blame them for setting up an unfair system of inequality for my Black ancestors!
So which is it? Which God deserves their criticism boom? Who were they speaking on behalf of when they said I was less than created equal?
Your Unicorn?
Yes you did! (I read your response very carefully...honest) But my challenge to you remains. Which God among the many that YOU claim the Founders recognized in the Constitution that according to you left me only 3/5ths human? If it's only the Christian God, why? If it was all of them, why is only the Judeo Christian God blamed if he's not the foundation of the nation the Founders were codifying? You can't have it both ways boom. Relativism doesn't work in the real world.
What's your answer?
Muted. You can't intellectually answer me. You've tied yourself into a relativistic corner!
Nice work boom!
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@Boomboom521 I'll leave you alone. I actually feel sorry for you. But I have to go sell some more polished metal and collect a few more dead White guys who's faces are printed on green tinted paper that doesn't see me as 3/5ths of a salesman. [winking]
Have a good day boom!
Have a good day boom!
The Founders did not use Judeo Christian God as the foundation of the nation, they used law.....where in our Constitution is the Judeo Christian God mentioned? The commandments?
YOU say it was a Christian God that defined the parameters our Constitution, I warned you against doing that, for one of many reasons being that those parameters define you as 3/5ths a man. Chubbs
I did answerMuted. You can't intellectually answer me. You've tied yourself into a relativistic corner!
Nice work boom!
No you didn't! My question specifically to you was why is the Christian God of the Judeo Christian Bible the only one that gets criticism from the Left for the faults of the Founding Fathers when according to YOU all Gods were considered by them?
What is your answer?
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I actually enjoy tying your relativistic feeble-mind into untieable knots! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
And YOU said the Founders considered many Gods in their foundation of the Constitution. So which God is the one that left me 3/5ths a person?
Again if this is your answer as to why I was left only 3/5 of a person then you just contradicted yourself when you said this nation was not set up on Judeo-Christian principles! How can you blame them for leaving me not a full person but refuse to give them the credit for the foundation of the Nation?
Not even an ardent relativist can follow that logic! C'mon boom, you're giving relativism a bad name.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Ummm....who am I answering for again? The entire left? And what is it I’m answering again? Why only the Judeo Christian Religions receive scorn when “the entire left” bashes our racist past, when I personally say all Gods are represented in the Declaration of Independence?
Gee, I’m not sure, I’ll ask the entire left at the next gay unicorn meeting. But if I was to guess, it’d be because most slaveholders worshiped a Christian God. Not sure what that has to do with my assertions in my posts on this thread.....other than it’s another attempt to shift debate into a place you feel comfortable in victory.
It’s YOU that credits them with the foundation of the nation, and therefore YOU that credits them with the racist slight and denial of rights. Not me. I warned you against doing it, only.Again if this is your answer as to why I was left only 3/5 of a person then you just contradicted yourself when you said this nation was not set up on Judeo-Christian principles! How can you blame them for leaving me not a full person but refuse to give them the credit for the foundation of the Nation?
Not even an ardent relativist can follow that logic! C'mon boom, you're giving relativism a bad name.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Maybe it’s just you that can’t follow the logic. But it’s ok, just a little too much Chubb on the brainAgain if this is your answer as to why I was left only 3/5 of a person then you just contradicted yourself when you said this nation was not set up on Judeo-Christian principles! How can you blame them for leaving me not a full person but refuse to give them the credit for the foundation of the Nation?
Not even an ardent relativist can follow that logic! C'mon boom, you're giving relativism a bad name.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Okay fair enough my friend. So I can assume from you then that since the Founding Fathers did not use the Judeo Christian God of the Bible as our Nation's Foundation they are not responsible for me being left only 3/5 of a person?
Or if they are responsible, to be completely relativistic and fair all the other Gods you say they were mentioning in that Constitution are equally as responsible for leaving me less than I was equally created or equally endowed by my self evident Creator.... whoever or whatever that is?
Do I have it about right in the relativistic view of the king of relativism?
So the Founding Fathers said it was "self-evident" we had a creator. Did they mean singular or plural? I'm assuming by your argument they meant plural?
So once again I ask you why is it only the Christian God that gets singled out on the Left for the faults, failures, criticisms, racism sexism, homophobia and general debauchery of the founding of this nation?
Why can't you answer that?
Were all those other Gods the Founding Fathers mentioned on the up-and-up when it came to black people like me?
- I said the Constitution contained law, and law only. It’s only the Declaration of Independence that mentions how all men are created equal, and endowed by THEIR creator....get it right. One document declares our Independence from England and our break from traditional views of religion, law, and human rights, the other is the document on which our nation’s laws were founded.
- If it is the general sense of American thought that forged our national identity at the time of our declaration and formation of law that you are referencing, well I would point to Thomas Payne (every bit a Founding father as the rest) and his desire to create a nation devoid of all religious adherence.
- Personally, I accuse some (not all) of the members of the convention that agreed upon the Constitution (and members of Congress that ratified it) of being racist and sexist in their views that robbed some Americans of their rights. What God each of them worshipped and how much that religion dictated their position on the US Constitution, I only know from historical documents......but irrelevant to our discussion anyway, because it’s YOU not me that asserts those racist and sexist views were derived from Judeo Christian gospel.
Boom you're a History teacher correct? When the Founders were at logger heads trying to decide how to settle these differences in terms of Religious freedoms and self rule they adjourned and ageeed to go into Prayer did they not?
When they went into Prayer, which God who's guidance and Wisdom did they agree to ask for? Who did they Pray to seeking answers?
Read your history. You'll be amazed at the answer but of course you will reject it. [winking]
When they went into Prayer, which God who's guidance and Wisdom did they agree to ask for? Who did they Pray to seeking answers?
Read your history. You'll be amazed at the answer but of course you will reject it. [winking]
No...I'm saying the Gospel settled the question of who was human and endowed and by whom? It was the disagreements among the non believers who insisted on a non Religious state. However as a compromise that language of our "creator" both codified where we came from and as a consequence where our rights were sourced.
The "law" based in Judeo Christian morality was the standard we used to establish limits on the Governent...fully aware were the Founders that it too was under that same authority. A creator. The creator.
We were left free to worship that Creator in our own way and with our own rules but we are not free to set the government up over that authority. This is what Socialists like you reject.