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[Boomboom521]

Boom you're a History teacher correct? When the Founders were at logger heads trying to decide how to settle these differences in terms of Religious freedoms and self rule they adjourned and ageeed to go into Prayer did they not?

When they went into Prayer, which God who's guidance and Wisdom did they agree to ask for? Who did they Pray to seeking answers?

Read your history. You'll be amazed at the answer but of course you will reject it. [winking]

Oh, that’s what we were discussing? That sessions were adjourned for prayer? Guess I missed that in the previous posts.

I never once stated that Judeo Christian practices and doctrine didn’t influence the thinking of some (even most) of our Founders, I said they wisely and purposely left a direct reference to those specific beliefs out of our nation’s founding document of law. They knew that rigid absolutism would be the nation’s downfall.....something people like you are too chubby brained (obtuse) to see even today.

 

[Boomboom521]

No...I'm saying the Gospel settled the question of who was human and endowed and by whom? It was the disagreements among the non believers who insisted on a non Religious state. However as a compromise that language of our "creator" both codified where we came from and as a consequence where our rights were sourced.

The "law" based in Judeo Christian morality was the standard we used to establish limits on the Governent...fully aware were the Founders that it too was under that same authority. A creator. The creator.

We were left free to worship that Creator in our own way and with our own rules but we are not free to set the government up over that authority. This is what Socialists like you reject.

Shifty

 

[atlkvb]

Oh, that’s what we were discussing? That sessions were adjourned for prayer? Guess I missed that in the previous posts.

I never once stated that Judeo Christian practices and doctrine didn’t influence the thinking of some (even most) of our Founders, I said they wisely and purposely left a direct reference to those specific beliefs out of our nation’s founding document of law. They knew that rigid absolutism would be the nation’s downfall.....something people like you are too chubby brained (obtuse) to see even today.

And I argue the Judeo-Christian ethic that they embraced & codified into law and set the foundations of this nation upon is the purpose for both our Constitution and the Morality In Our laws.

 

[atlkvb]

Shifty

Checkmate [winking]

 

[atlkvb]

I never once stated that Judeo Christian practices and doctrine didn’t influence the thinking of some (even most) of our Founders

Go back through the thread and read your responses you most certainly said it was not their influence or foundation.

Very shifty boomer! [winking]

 

[Boomboom521]

And I argue the Judeo-Christian ethic that they embraced & codified into law and set the foundations of this nation upon is the purpose for both our Constitution and the Morality In Our laws.

“Morality of our laws”.....only the arrogance of someone like you can fool themself into believing that morality only began with the worship of your God’s word. Read Age of Reason.

But again, I warned you of this, it is YOU asserting that the morality of Judeo Christianity is so fvcking weak that it allows for generations of men, women, and children to be enslaved for no reason other than the color of their skin. I’m shocked that by that logic, you are so viciously subjective to that same religious doctrine. Shame.

 

[Boomboom521]

Go back through the thread and read your responses you most certainly said it was not their influence or foundation.

Very shifty boomer! [winking]

I said the motivation of the Constitution was law. I also said that it was the motivation of some (even most), didn’t I? Ummmm....yeps.

 

[atlkvb]

The Founders did not use Judeo Christian God as the foundation of the nation

I never once stated that Judeo Christian practices and doctrine didn’t influence the thinking of some (even most) of our Founders

Relativism on display in the same thread no less!

 

[Boomboom521]

Checkmate [winking]

Bullsh1t....you’re just doing what you always do....and that is shifting the debate to a place you feel confident. Now it’s socialism versus capitalism, and how each approach adheres to our founding principles (which are laws, not religious ideology). But that’s not the debate at all. It’s your desire to shift, that’s all

 

[atlkvb]

“Morality of our laws”.....only the arrogance of someone like you can fool themself into believing that morality only began with the worship of your God’s word. Read Age of Reason.

But again, I warned you of this, it is YOU asserting that the morality of Judeo Christianity is so fvcking weak that it allows for generations of men, women, and children to be enslaved for no reason other than the color of their skin. I’m shocked that by that logic, you are so viciously subjective to that same religious doctrine. Shame.

You're a history teacher read your world history. This isn't the only nation to enslave people. But it is the only one that called slavery out of existence by virtue of its foundation. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. What other nation in history codified that as its foundation?

As a history teacher you should know we are the only one.

 

[Boomboom521]

Relativism on display in the same thread no less!

Two completely different statements

 

[atlkvb]

Bullsh1t....you’re just doing what you always do....and that is shifting the debate to a place you feel confident. Now it’s socialism versus capitalism, and how each approach adheres to our founding principles (which are laws, not religious ideology). But that’s not the debate at all. It’s your desire to shift, that’s all

You still haven't told me why the Judeo Christian God is the only one separated out for criticism on the Left if all Gods were mentioned by the Founders?

 

[Boomboom521]

You're a history teacher read your world history. This isn't the only nation to enslave people. But it is the only one that called slavery out of existence by virtue of its foundation. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. What other nation in history codify that as its foundation?

As a history teacher you should know we are the only one.

Were we the first to outlaw slavery?

 

[Boomboom521]

You still haven't told me why the judeo Christian God is the only one separate out for criticism on the Left if all Gods were mentioned by the Founders?

I actually addressed this already, even though the challenge was irrelevant to anything I said

 

[atlkvb]

Two completely different statements

Relatively speaking you are 100% correct:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[atlkvb]

I actually addressed this already, even though the challenge was irrelevant to anything I said

Not all but were the Founding Fathers Christian? What other Faiths were enveloped at the Constitutional Convention?

 

[atlkvb]

I actually addressed this already, even though the challenge was irrelevant to anything I said

I believe you said they were the only ones who owned slaves. So the other religions didn't own them or the other people freed the ones they owned?

 

[atlkvb]

Were we the first to outlaw slavery?

No. Almighty God did it when he freed the Jews from 4000 years of slavery under the Egyptians

 

[Boomboom521]

I believe you said they were the only ones who owned slaves. So the other religions didn't own them or the other people freed the ones they owned?

Ah, so you did see my answer then? Why act like I avoided the question then?

I said “if I had to guess” why “everyone on the left” blames Christianity for slavery (or whatever Bullsh1t gotcha question you were using to firm up your slippery footing) it would be that most slaveowners (in America at the time of the formation of the nation) were Christian.

But see, by the same token, if you so viciously assert that it’s was Judeo Christian morality that founded the nation’s laws, why can’t you also admit that it was Judeo Christian morality that accepted slavery as a justified act? See, you can’t have it both ways l, fools like to say.

 

[Boomboom521]

Fvcking call me out! Chubbs

 

[atlkvb]

Ah, so you did see my answer then? Why act like I avoided the question then?

I said “if I had to guess” why “everyone on the left” blames Christianity for slavery (or whatever Bullsh1t gotcha question you were using to firm up your slippery footing) it would be that most slaveowners (in America at the time of the formation of the nation) were Christian.

But see, by the same token, if you so viciously assert that it’s was Judeo Christian morality that founded the nation’s laws, why can’t you also admit that it was Judeo Christian morality that accepted slavery as a justified act? See, you can’t have it both ways l, fools like to say.

Okay let me make this very easy for you boom. You say the nation is not founded on Judeo-Christian ethics.

You say the Founders included many religions or Creators in their discussions of where our rights were sourced. Correct?

You say the only reason Christians are singled out by the Left is because they were the only ones dumb enough to own slaves, and consider them only 3/5ths a person. Correct?

So I'll give this to you straight. Name for me one other religion or source or foundation that YOU say the Founders were mentioning in the Constitution that has been singled out by the Left for derision and ridicule of the Founding Fathers as much as their Christian faith has been?

All I need is one other religion just one...so that I can fully understand it's not just Christians or their foundations that the Left is so upset with. OK?

Now, I can't make it any easier than that. You'll either give me the name of the religion or the source or the foundation that draws as much or more derision from the Left as Christians do to back up your claim that it's not a Christian Foundation the Left is so upset with in this country or you won't give me a name and I'll assume that you are FOS on this topic.

So there you have it. Who else draws the Left's ire for the Founding Fathers based on their Faith than Christians and those and foundations? Got it?

Good. What is your answer?

 

[atlkvb]

if you so viciously assert that it’s was Judeo Christian morality that founded the nation’s laws, why can’t you also admit that it was Judeo Christian morality that accepted slavery as a justified act

Your're history teacher. What faith were the abolitionists who fought to end slavery? What faith were those Founders who didn't want slavery included as the country was being constituted?

What faith was Abraham Lincoln who took the nation to war over the issue of slavery to end it? What other Nation on Earth recognized as its foundation a Creator to whom all of our rights as equally created humans were sourced?

If this is not a Christian nation based on Judeo-Christian principles that allow human beings to exist equally with no respect of race or color or Creed then what else are we? What else are those principals or those foundations based on? What is their source?

 

[Boomboom521]

Okay let me make this very easy for you boom. You say the nation is not founded on Judeo-Christian ethics.

You say the Founders included many religions or Creators in their discussions of where our rights were sourced. Correct?

You say the only reason Christians are singled out by the Left is because only they were the only ones dumb enough to own slaves, and consider them only 3/5ths a person. Correct?

So I'll give this to you straight. Name for me one other religion or source or foundation that YOU say the Founders were mentioning in the Constitution that has been singled out by the Left for derision and ridicule of the Founding Fathers as much as their Christian faith has been?

All I need is one other religion just one...so that I can fully understand it's not just Christians or their foundations that the Left is so upset with. OK?

Now, I can't make it any easier than that. You'll either give me the name of the religion or the source or the foundation that draws as much or more derision from the Left as Christians do to back up your claim that it's not a Christian Foundation the Left is so upset with in this country or you won't give me a name and I'll assume that you are FOS on this topic.

So there you have it. Who else draws the Left's ire for the Founding Fathers based on their Faith than Christians and those and foundations? Got it?

Good. What is your answer?

1. No
2. No
3. The Constitution doesn’t mention any religion...I told you that twice now. Get it right
4. How is derision from the left connected to a founding religion for the nation again?
5. Shifting debate, to delude yourself? Go ahead, not my problem

 

[Boomboom521]

I know others had to have called you out for your Bullsh1t on here. Are you that obtuse that you can’t see it when multiple people point it out?

 

[atlkvb]

1. No
2. No
3. The Constitution doesn’t mention any religion...I told you that twice now. Get it right
4. How is derision from the left connected to a founding religion for the nation again?
5. Shifting debate, to delude yourself? Go ahead, not my problem

OK...dodged that one. Why only Christians and their beliefs or foundations singled out by the Left?

 

[atlkvb]

I know others had to have called you out for your Bullsh1t on here. Are you that obtuse that you can’t see it when multiple people point it out?

A simple answer would suffice rather than your characterizations of my incompetence.

 

[atlkvb]

The Constitution doesn’t mention any religion...

You are correct it doesn't mention any religion. It doesn't mention Sanctuary cities either, so why is a wall to keep out illegal aliens immoral? What's that based on?

 

[atlkvb]

Shifting debate, to delude yourself? Go ahead, not my problem

No I'm not shifting anything I'm trying to get an answer out of you which you refuse to give! So rather than playing a game why don't you just admit or just say "I'm not going to answer you for my own selfish reasons and for my own purposes so stop trying to get me to answer a question that I'm not going to answer".

I can accept that rather than all this self-righteous pompous BS you keep spewing.

 

[Keyser76]

Same tired old arguments since forever from the Christians that need the Government to prop up their faith because they can't handle anyone else's fables being treated equally under the law. Dipshits who worry the most about Sharia law would impose their own if they weren't dumb enough to think Donnie is Gods chosen, lol.

 

[atlkvb]

Same tired old arguments since forever from the Christians that need the Government to prop up their faith because they can't handle anyone else's fables being treated equally under the law. Dipshits who worry the most about Sharia law would impose their own if they weren't dumb enough to think Donnie is Gods chosen, lol.

Illegals are not trying to sneak into nations with Sharia law they're trying to break into this Christian foundational nation.

Now why do you suppose that is if Christianity and the people who practice it are such reprobates?

 

[Boomboom521]

OK...dodged that one. Why only Christians and their beliefs or foundations singled out by the Left?

In general?

 

[atlkvb]

In general?

Bye man. I'm out. Waste of time.

 

[Boomboom521]

No I'm not shifting anything I'm trying to get an answer out of you which you refuse to give! So rather than playing a game why don't you just admit or just say "I'm not going to answer you for my own selfish reasons and for my own purposes so stop trying to get me to answer a question that I'm not going to answer".

I can accept that rather than all this self-righteous pompous BS you keep spewing.

I answered the question already. Now you are asking another, which is why does only Christianity receive scorn from the left? (Of course I don’t know if you are asking this as it pertains to the foundation of the nation, or just in a general sense?

 

[Boomboom521]

Bye man. I'm out. Waste of time.

**** right it was....little fvcking baby

 

[Keyser76]

Illegals are not trying to sneak into nations with Sharia law they're trying to break into this Christian foundational nation.

Now why do you suppose that is if Christianity and the people who practice it are such reprobates?

Hey skippy, you don't have a lock on Christianity, I'm one myself, I just don't like the Christians that need and want help from our Government. I assume folks want to come here because of American values and the American dream, the ones Trump and company hate. There is no uptick in any immigration "crisis", it's just fodder to stoke racist fears among his base, worked for awhile too. Why do you rubes always want to compare us to other nations? We are different and we are better and guess what, he caved and ya ain't getting your racist symbol of a wall, lol.

 

[atlkvb]

Hey skippy, you don't have a lock on Christianity, I'm one myself, I just don't like the Christians that need and want help from our Government. I assume folks want to come here because of American values and the American dream, the ones Trump and company hate. There is no uptick in any immigration "crisis", it's just fodder to stoke racist fears among his base, worked for awhile too. Why do you rubes always want to compare us to other nations? We are different and we are better and guess what, he caved and ya ain't getting your racist symbol of a wall, lol.

Should the immigrants who want to come to this country come here legally or should we just let them in anyway if they come illegally?

How many immigrants did we allow in legally last year? None of them? If we're allowing most immigrants in legally what makes us so racist?

 

[Boomboom521]

Hey skippy, you don't have a lock on Christianity, I'm one myself, I just don't like the Christians that need and want help from our Government. I assume folks want to come here because of American values and the American dream, the ones Trump and company hate. There is no uptick in any immigration "crisis", it's just fodder to stoke racist fears among his base, worked for awhile too. Why do you rubes always want to compare us to other nations? We are different and we are better and guess what, he caved and ya ain't getting your racist symbol of a wall, lol.

Tell the fool that most illegal immigrants were allowed here legally first.

 

[atlkvb]

Hey skippy, you don't have a lock on Christianity, I'm one myself, I just don't like the Christians that need and want help from our Government. I assume folks want to come here because of American values and the American dream, the ones Trump and company hate. There is no uptick in any immigration "crisis", it's just fodder to stoke racist fears among his base, worked for awhile too. Why do you rubes always want to compare us to other nations? We are different and we are better and guess what, he caved and ya ain't getting your racist symbol of a wall, lol.

Once that wall is built you will probably pee on yourself.

 

[Keyser76]

Once that wall is built you will probably pee on yourself.

"Builders of Walls sow fear and divide people." some Christian guy just said that, lol. I think Trump is getting ready to talk about his wall any minute, should be another crackerjack speech that increases your base even more.

 

[atlkvb]

"Builders of Walls sow fear and divide people." some Christian guy just said that, lol. I think Trump is getting ready to talk about his wall any minute, should be another crackerjack speech that increases your base even more.

The wall will get built when Trump declares a National Emergency which we do have on that border. 7 billion dollars has already been identified to get started and we can easily fund the rest through the savings we will have by reducing the flow of illegals into this country receiving hard-working American taxpayer entitlements and confiscating all the illegal drugs that are pouring through that border.

Then Mexico will reimburse us for the remainder of the costs through our new trade agreement with them as well as additional fees we will charge them on repatriated funds traveling back to their country from here.

That's when you'll have to go and buy some new depends.