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atlkvb

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The founders did actually encompass my vision of a all encompassing energy source when they carefully used the phrase “they are endowed by THEIR creator”.....as my source of natural creation is that mystical unicorn making energy that embodies all that is and ever was.....that’s were I get my rights, maybe yours comes from another source?

FYI boomer. I'm surprised as both a student of history and a teacher of it you are not as well informed on our origins as you should be?

Commentary: Why is God in the Declaration but not the Constitution?

excerpts:
The Declaration contains several references to God, the Constitution none at all. The reasons for this variation reveal a great deal about the founding principles of the United States. The resulting Declaration of Independence, drafted by Thomas Jefferson and edited by his fellow delegates, contains a theory of rights that depends on a Supreme Being, not man, for its validity. The Declaration states that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” It is possible to see in these words an affirmation of the Founders’ religious faith, but God-given rights had less to do with theology in the summer of 1776 than they did with rebellion

...more

In stating that people’s rights were given to them by their creator, the Continental Congress endowed those rights with a legitimacy that knows no parallel in mortal sources. What God has given to man is not enjoyed at the sufferance of any monarch or government. Liberty is the inviolable birthright of all. The right of revolution proclaimed by the Declaration flows directly from this notion of inviolability: it is to secure people’s divinely endowed and unalienable rights that governments, “deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” are established

...in conclusion
The genius of the Declaration is the inclusive way the divine is given expression. The appellations of God are generic. Adherents of traditional theistic sects can read the words “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Supreme Judge,” and understand them to mean the god they worship. The claims made on numerous Christian websites attest to this. Yet opponents of dogma read those same words and see an embracive, non-sectarian concept of divinity. This is no small testimony to the wisdom and foresight of the Founding Fathers. All Americans could support the Revolution and independence. All can regard their rights as unalienable, their liberty as inviolable.

(read more on why no references to "God" in the actual Constitution here):

link:
https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/02/why-god-is-in-the-declaration-but-not-the-constitution/

Summary:
The Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution do not therefore represent competing views of the existence of a Supreme Being or its role in American political life. They are two sides of the same coin. When read together, the Declaration and Constitution tell us that the people’s rights are divine in origin, sacred and unalienable, while governments are human in origin, answerable to the people and dependent entirely on their consent.
 
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atlkvb

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**** right it was....little fvcking baby

You know as I re-read that thread this morning (after my Sunday devotional) my heart was saddened not only by your refusal to answer my questions in the thread about the foundational nature of both our Laws and our governance, but your insistence that there is no role for Almighty God in either! Your's and the Left's refusal to recognize both our source and foundations in Almighty God's Holy Word is what ails this nation in my opinion.

Why you pretend indifference to that, or that we'll somehow thrive or survive absent of it, is as disturbing as it is perplexing. What society can exist without the morality codified in our Laws calling for equality, justice, and even Life itself? If we don't recognize where those gifts emanate, aren't we destined to lose them? The American Left refuses to recognize Almighty God's authority over both this Nation and the Creation. Against the source for both, it (Left) battles defiantly opposite that "self evident" Truth...along with the traditions and institutions that have made this country the greatest in human history precisely because we did recognize that Supreme source, and constituted our great nation based on its overall morality! You criticize us for what you claim is our use of Godly authority to justify slavery... & quite honestly that's a fair criticism ...but only of Man's inhumanity towards his fellow man. Not Christianity!

That too is something that has been endemic to our existence in all of human history... our inhuman treatment of one another. The one constant prerequisite of that is blatant defiance of Godly righteousness in its practice. However, the True Spirit of our Heavenly Father, and of Christianity itself centered from Christ himself, is one of Brotherhood, not slavery. Christians were the vanguards of Freedom early in our history, calling for our Nation to end its system of slavery. Those who resisted that higher calling didn't love Almighty God, but in fact they hated him and his authority.

It was God fearing people (abolitionists) like William Lloyd Garrison, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, and William Llyod Still who called this nation into Godly righteousness to end slavery! They were ALL Christian boom! (you refused to answer that question I asked of you) Our nation is a better place for their recognition of Christian equality under the Bible and our Creator God! We perish as a nation the further we drift from those principles my friend...principles present even at our foundations.
 
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Boomboom521

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You know as I re-read that thread this morning (after my Sunday devotional) my heart was saddened not only by your refusal to answer my questions in the thread about the foundational nature of both our Laws and our governance, but your insistence that there is no role for Almighty God in either! Your's and the Left's refusal to recognize both our source and foundations in Almighty God's Holy Word is what ails this nation in my opinion.

Why you pretend indifference to that, or that we'll somehow thrive or survive absent of it, is as disturbing as it is perplexing. What society can exist without the morality codified in our Laws calling for equality, justice, and even Life itself? If we don't recognize where those gifts emanate, aren't we destined to lose them? The American Left refuses to recognize Almighty God's authority over both this Nation and the Creation. Against the source for both, it (Left) battles defiantly opposite that "self evident" Truth...along with the traditions and institutions that have made this country the greatest in human history precisely because we did recognize that Supreme source, and constituted our great nation based on its overall morality! You criticize us for what you claim is our use of Godly authority to justify slavery... & quite honestly that's a fair criticism ...but only of Man's inhumanity towards his fellow man. Not Christianity!

That too is something that has been endemic to our existence in all of human history... our inhuman treatment of one another. The one constant prerequisite of that is blatant defiance of Godly righteousness in its practice. However, the True Spirit of our Heavenly Father, and of Christianity itself centered from Christ himself, is one of Brotherhood, not slavery. Christians were the vanguards of Freedom early in our history, calling for our Nation to end its system of slavery. Those who resisted that higher calling didn't love Almighty God, but in fact they hated him and his authority.

It was God fearing people (abolitionists) like William Lloyd Garrison, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, and William Llyod Still who called this nation into Godly righteousness to end slavery! They were ALL Christian boom! (you refused to answer that question I asked of you) Our nation is a better place for their recognition of Christian equality under the Bible and our Creator God! We perish as a nation the further we drift from those principles my friend...principles present even at our foundations.
Blah blah blah

“My heart was saddened”....get over yourself
 

atlkvb

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Blah blah blah

“My heart was saddened”....get over yourself

Christians Pray for the souls of sinners who are lost. I'm Christian. You're lost. I Pray for your soul. May almighty God have mercy on you, and I hope you will find Peace and humility through the Truth and Power of his Holy word.

I'll have nothing else to bother you with...promise.
 

Boomboom521

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Christians Pray for the souls of sinners who are lost. I'm Christian. You're lost. I Pray for your soul. May almighty God have mercy on you, and I hope you will find Peace and humility through the Truth and Power of his Holy word.

I'll have nothing else to bother you with...promise.
Appreciate it, I do.....if the sentiment is in fact genuine. From my experience though, most of the die hard, holier than thous are just full of fvcking ****. But you keep on keepin on. Just stop calling me out.
 

atlkvb

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Appreciate it, I do.....if the sentiment is in fact genuine. From my experience though, most of the die hard, holier than thous are just full of fvcking ****. But you keep on keepin on. Just stop calling me out.


I'll have nothing else to bother you with...promise.

I meant what I said. I only have Prayers for you from now on. Watch.
 

Boomboom521

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“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

“I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not.”
Ethan Allen, Revolutionary War Hero — preface, Reason the Only Oracle of Man

“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams

“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”
John Adams

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”
James Madison, Ibid, 1785

“Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”
Thomas Paine

“Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.”
Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man, 1791

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
Benjamin Franklin — letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780
 

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Insecure Christians who need the Government to prop them up as number one, lol, would that be a Presbyterian or Lutheran Christian heritage? Ya'll looking like the immoral minority these days!
 

atlkvb

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Insecure Christians who need the Government to prop them up as number one, lol, would that be a Presbyterian or Lutheran Christian heritage? Ya'll looking like the immoral minority these days!

Presbyterians aren't Christians? Lutherans aren't Christians? Democrats aren't Socialists?
 
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Appreciate it, I do.....if the sentiment is in fact genuine. From my experience though, most of the die hard, holier than thous are just full of fvcking ****. But you keep on keepin on. Just stop calling me out.
not most....but a lot....an awful lot
 

atlkvb

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not most....but a lot....an awful lot

Snow my Man, you know as much as any other believer that saying you're Christian doesn't make you Christian. Christians know the only way that walk has value is when you try as close as you can to meet Christ's standards for Christianity. True enough the standard often is criticized, but Christ's living example has very few critics, except among those who hate him for who he is.
 
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