2 weeks to discuss, can we?

[brianpoe]

Curious as to how it should have been handled? How was it handled poorly? In my mind they did exactlywhat they should have. Towles won the job and the stuck with him until he proved to not be the answer. Actually, the mistake to me was not player Barker sooner. Towles had plenty of time to prove this team was his.

We all know for a fact that animosity and attitude stemming from the QB situation and possibly other Offensive issues were abundant last year.

The HC needs to control this.

No doubt that PT struggled with pocket presence and intangibles but was very good on the run and using athleticism.

I also think Barker should have played sooner. As the UL game proved, he wasn't ready.

But spot time could have helped him and PT.

The random decision to bench PT for the UL game and then bring him in to try to win it was amateur hour at best.

 

[merrimanm]

I never said that.

My opinion is If you're going to hire your buddy and retain him even after he's awful, you better have a plan as a head coach on both sides of the ball. Stoops is a HEAD coach, it's his ship.

I agree with that. But I still don't see how they handled it incorrectly. Towles loved Dawson. So obviously he had no ill will toward not running more.

 

[brianpoe]

I agree with that. But I still don't see how they handled it incorrectly. Towles loved Dawson. So obviously he had no ill will toward not running more.

Merri you wouldnt see how CMS did anything wrong if he stabbed puppies with steak knives.

 

[merrimanm]

Merri you wouldnt see how CMS did anything wrong if he stabbed puppies with steak knives.

Lol. You obviously discount many of my posts then. But yall are contradict yourselves.

Either he has say in the offense or doesn't. Last year, everyone was screaming for Barker and Stoops went to him. Then went back to Towles trying anything he could to get the 6th win. So everyone says that Stoops should do everything he can to win. And when he does tha, he is still wrong and handled it poorly.
Everyone says a coach should play to his team and players strengths. He is doing that, yet people are pissed that we aren't slinging it all over the field tryin score quickly.

So I could say the same to yall. No.matter what happens, yall want give any credit where it is due.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

U have the pumpers..u have the haters..then u have the umm's in a category of their own. What should we call that one?

The poopers.

 

[Woodrow24]

Lol. You obviously discount many of my posts then. But yall are contradict yourselves.

Either he has say in the offense or doesn't. Last year, everyone was screaming for Barker and Stoops went to him. Then went back to Towles trying anything he could to get the 6th win. So everyone says that Stoops should do everything he can to win. And when he does tha, he is still wrong and handled it poorly.
Everyone says a coach should play to his team and players strengths. He is doing that, yet people are pissed that we aren't slinging it all over the field tryin score quickly.

So I could say the same to yall. No.matter what happens, yall want give any credit where it is due.

I've never seen you criticize stoops. So where are these posts at your taking about? Mitch is that you?!!! Lol Just kidding.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

I'm mean...they ok I guess...

yeah missed it

Yeah, Bama ain't bad. Nick Saban might make it big one day.

 

[merrimanm]

I've never seen you criticize stoops. So where are these posts at your taking about? Mitch is that you?!!! Lol Just kidding.

I have said plenty of times that he needs to make changes. His clock management was an issue, and seems to be corrected now. The defense was horrible and I said he needed to step in as I was not sold on Eliot. I hated the Dawson hire and I am glad he is gone. Special teams were awful, until he made a hire to fix it. I have said plenty.

 

[Woodrow24]

I have said plenty of times that he needs to make changes. His clock management was an issue, and seems to be corrected now. The defense was horrible and I said he needed to step in as I was not sold on Eliot. I hated the Dawson hire and I am glad he is gone. Special teams were awful, until he made a hire to fix it. I have said plenty.

I hadn't seen you post any of that. You answered my question either way, so thanks.

 

[CB3UK]

Lol. You obviously discount many of my posts then. But yall are contradict yourselves.

Either he has say in the offense or doesn't. Last year, everyone was screaming for Barker and Stoops went to him. Then went back to Towles trying anything he could to get the 6th win. So everyone says that Stoops should do everything he can to win. And when he does tha, he is still wrong and handled it poorly.
Everyone says a coach should play to his team and players strengths. He is doing that, yet people are pissed that we aren't slinging it all over the field tryin score quickly.

So I could say the same to yall. No.matter what happens, yall want give any credit where it is due.

Of course he has a say in it, he's the head coach. The reason we all said he ahould get his nose out of it is because he was using that say to make asshat decisions, such as the mishandling of Towles/Barker. What about that is so difficult to grasp?

 

[Blueaz]

I think that is a pretty good breakdown Brian and all can be somewhat accurate on both sides.

A couple of things that makes me lean towards the Pumper crowd right now are . . .

1. Not only has both sides of our line improved but they've done it mixing in guys on both sides that in the beginning of the year were not expected to be counted on. And we're not only mixing them in but at different positions!
My take early was we had no quality depth on DLine especially with Meant gone and with Leavitt not being as we expected thought we were pretty much the same on the Oline. But they have been rotating in the guys we though weren't ready to help and we've gotten better. I was looking out there one time and saw us with 3 Olinemen at new positions and they were pumped up dancing at the line of scrimmage waiting for the timeout to end. That is promising.

2. The second thing is I know how much better we can look immediately with better QB play. If Johnson's light can come on with some confidence throwing the ball I get the feeling we are going to be a tough out for some to play. Right now we're doing this without our strongest position being utilized (WR) so if he does this yes I'm optimistic.

So while I know we are not to the point we are going to beat anybody easily yet, I think our floor has certainly been raised and solidified to where we're becoming much more sound in a lot of areas.

Are the lines really improved "over time" or just since the beginning of the season?
The point the team is at, at this moment; was what I expected a good coach to have the team start with going into his fourth year.
Does that make sense? Did I expect too much?

 

[merrimanm]

Of course he has a say in it, he's the head coach. The reason we all said he ahould get his nose out of it is because he was using that say to make asshat decisions, such as the mishandling of Towles/Barker. What about that is so difficult to grasp?

Wait, you are saying that Stoops stepped in and said that Towles couldn't run the ball more? Pretty sure that was a Dawson thing seeing how he actually said it, and the year before with Brown, he ran it quite a bit.

So what stupid decisions has he made that was wrong about the offense?

 

[Blueaz]

Wait, you are saying that Stoops stepped in and said that Towles couldn't run the ball more? Pretty sure that was a Dawson thing seeing how he actually said it, and the year before with Brown, he ran it quite a bit.

So what stupid decisions has he made that was wrong about the offense?

can I ask it back the other way? What good decisions has he made for the offense?

 

[CB3UK]

Wait, you are saying that Stoops stepped in and said that Towles couldn't run the ball more? Pretty sure that was a Dawson thing seeing how he actually said it, and the year before with Brown, he ran it quite a bit.

So what stupid decisions has he made that was wrong about the offense?

Where did I say that? I'll wait.

 

[CB3UK]

::crickets::

 

[merrimanm]

can I ask it back the other way? What good decisions has he made for the offense?

First, he hired Brown. Too bad for us Brown left before we could get the effects of that. Second, he hire Gran, Hinshaw, and Thomas. He also changed much of the offense to fit the strengths of our backup QB, and is now leaning on our strength in our RBs.

So, how did he mishandled the QB situation? What bad decisions did he make for the offense?

 

[merrimanm]

::crickets::

Ha! You gave me 4 minutes to respond. I am watching football with my son. Not living to wait on your response.

 

[merrimanm]

Where did I say that? I'll wait.

Well, since you responded to a conversation where that was discussed, one would infer that you agreed with that.

 

[Blueaz]

First, he hired Brown. Too bad for us Brown left before we could get the effects of that. Second, he hire Gran, Hinshaw, and Thomas. He also changed much of the offense to fit the strengths of our backup QB, and is now leaning on our strength in our RBs.

So, how did he mishandled the QB situation? What bad decisions did he make for the offense?

Someone mishandled it... either the OC, that was hired by Stoops or Stoops himself.

 

[merrimanm]

Someone mishandled it... either the OC, that was hired by Stoops or Stoops himself.

You continue to avoid answering the question Hillary. I said to provide proof that they mishandled it.



Crickets!!

 

[CB3UK]

Well, since you responded to a conversation where that was discussed, one would infer that you agreed with that.

you were wrong. Its ok to admit it.

 

[CB3UK]

Ha! You gave me 4 minutes to respond. I am watching football with my son. Not living to wait on your response.

Tell me you're not a fan of my Bengals. You'll start telling me this offense I'm watching is doing fine next

 

[merrimanm]

Tell me you're not a fan of my Bengals. You'll start telling me this offense I'm watching is doing fine next

Nope. Hate the Bengals.

.......AND you STILL haven't answered my question..

 

[CB3UK]

Nope. Hate the Bengals.

.......AND you STILL haven't answered my question..

You dont remember all those drives we had with Brown and then Dawson where we wpild fire on all cylinders, drive the field, mix it up, score and then inexplicably pump the brakes and start playing ball control offense?

 

[merrimanm]

You dont remember all those drives we had with Brown and then Dawson where we wpild fire on all cylinders, drive the field, mix it up, score and then inexplicably pump the brakes and start playing ball control offense?

No, I don't. We were inconsistent when Brown was here due to lack of talent and no QB. We haven't been a quick scoring team at any point under Stoops. And we averaged what, around 20 points a game under Dawson? I think that was.more due to him not being very good at keeping up with the game.

The idea that Stoops is slowing it down has no substance. Someone on here said it and it took off. It was something they could throw at Stoops because he is a defensive minded coach. There is no proof of that.

Is that really the best you could.come up with?

 

[CB3UK]

No, I don't. We were inconsistent when Brown was here due to lack of talent and no QB. We haven't been a quick scoring team at any point under Stoops. And we averaged what, around 20 points a game under Dawson? I think that was.more due to him not being very good at keeping up with the game.

The idea that Stoops is slowing it down has no substance. Someone on here said it and it took off. It was something they could throw at Stoops because he is a defensive minded coach. There is no proof of that.

Is that really the best you could.come up with?

No substance? He has discussed it several times in his pressers. Even as recently as this year after New Mexico State. I'm not at all surprised you don't recall it...when the rest of us point things out that are patently obvious you are consistently oblivious to those as well.

No, I point out the insanely flawed logic in your thought process earlier that it isn't an either/or proposition but a causation. Furthermore, I make a statement, you completely twist it and put words in my mouth, get called on it, and then have the temerity to say I haven't answered your question when you have dodged any cogent response to my posts. The cherry on top is you say "is that the best you got?" You are piece of work.

 

[CB3UK]

::double crickets::

 

[merrimanm]

No substance? He has discussed it several times in his pressers. Even as recently as this year after New Mexico State. I'm not at all surprised you don't recall it...when the rest of us point things out that are patently obvious you are consistently oblivious to those as well.

No, I point out the insanely flawed logic in your thought process earlier that it isn't an either/or proposition but a causation. Furthermore, I make a statement, you completely twist it and put words in my mouth, get called on it, and then have the temerity to say I haven't answered your question when you have dodged any cogent response to my posts. The cherry on top is you say "is that the best you got?" You are piece of work.

I answered every question you asked me. You, on the other hand did not. And Stoops has not said he calls plays in the presser. He did say there are times when the offense needs to slow down a bit and make sure they move the chains. He isn't wrong about that. He never said he didn't want his team scoring to fast. But when you go run and gun all the time, it hurts your team if you are not scoring. It's like relying on the 3 pointer all the time. It is ok when you are hitting, but when you have off nights, you get beat. That is what he is saying.

AND in all that drivel, you still didn't give specific proof of him calling plays. You are a piece of work.

 

[CB3UK]

I answered every question you asked me. You, on the other hand did not. And Stoops has not said he calls plays in the presser. He did say there are times when the offense needs to slow down a bit and make sure they move the chains. He isn't wrong about that. He never said he didn't want his team scoring to fast. But when you go run and gun all the time, it hurts your team if you are not scoring. It's like relying on the 3 pointer all the time. It is ok when you are hitting, but when you have off nights, you get beat. That is what he is saying.

AND in all that drivel, you still didn't give specific proof of him calling plays. You are a piece of work.

Stoops was dictating the offense plain and simple. You want to live in denial be my guest.

 

[merrimanm]

Stoops was dictating the offense plain and simple. You want to live in denial be my guest.

Good point. Your "facts" that you never provided proves I am in denial.

 

[CB3UK]

Good point. Your "facts" that you never provided proves I am in denial.

You put words in my mouth and then have the balls to start demanding facts instead of apologizing or even addressing that? Get lost troll.

 

[merrimanm]

You put words in my mouth and then have the balls to start demanding facts instead of apologizing or even addressing that? Get lost troll.

Why should I apologize? I said nothing out of the way to you. The only thing I can think of when you say input words in your mouth was about Towles running more. I was not disrespectfull to you at all, and YES, I did address why I thought you were saying that.

So again, why would I apologize to you? I asked you a question and you had no answer. You resort to avoiding the question and then began playing the "your attacking by putting words in my mouth" card. That liberal cry me a river crap doesn't work with me.

So, we can end this conversation here.

 

[CB3UK]

Why should I apologize? I said nothing out of the way to you. The only thing I can think of when you say input words in your mouth was about Towles running more. I was not disrespectfull to you at all, and YES, I did address why I thought you were saying that.

So again, why would I apologize to you? I asked you a question and you had no answer. You resort to avoiding the question and then began playing the "your attacking by putting words in my mouth" card. That liberal cry me a river crap doesn't work with me.

So, we can end this conversation here.

No. You said it's either Stoops has control of the offense or he doesn't which is a load of bull. He has control of it because he's the HC, and becuase of the moronic decisions he made such as the handling of the Towles/Barker situation, we don't want him to meddle with it and make those decisions because he's shown to be incapable of making good decisions there.

You then proceeded to make a jackass assumption about my statement and then started demanding I provide facts towards that argument which was in no way shape or form what I was originally addressing. Towles should not have been held off from running. Dawson called for that, Brown didn't. What does that have to do with the Barker/Towles situation at all!?!?!!?! And spare me the liberal crap...I'm a registered Republican.

Did it ever occur to you to stop and think about why your username is so consistently mentioned on here when folks talk about worst posters? Food for thought. Good night.

 

[merrimanm]

No. You said it's either Stoops has control of the offense or he doesn't which is a load of bull. He has control of it because he's the HC, and becuase of the moronic decisions he made such as the handling of the Towles/Barker situation, we don't want him to meddle with it and make those decisions because he's shown to be incapable of making good decisions there.

You then proceeded to make a jackass assumption about my statement and then started demanding I provide facts towards that argument which was in no way shape or form what I was originally addressing. Towles should not have been held off from running. Dawson called for that, Brown didn't. What does that have to do with the Barker/Towles situation at all!?!?!!?! And spare me the liberal crap...I'm a registered Republican.

Did it ever occur to you to stop and think about why your username is so consistently mentioned on here when folks talk about worst posters? Food for thought. Good night.

I really don't care why my username is used.
But you don't get it. I asked you point blank to give me an example of how the Towles/ Barker situation was handled poorly and you couldn't. I also asked you to prove that he meddled in the offense, and you couldn't. Then in the same sentence want to say that Stoops should not be messing with the offense because he has proven to mess it up. Again, where is the proof?

I am asking for proof and you can't provide any on either question. You didn't even read the entire conversation before coming in and acting all knowing. Maybe you should have informed yourself before saying something.

But you proved.my point in your response. Brown ran Towles and Dawson didn't. Seems to me that that proves Stoops let the OCs run what they wanted to. He just appears to step in with tempo of whether they were snapping the ball quickly, or letting some clock run.

Again, get your facts straight.

Oh, and my username is use a lot because I don't go with the masses. I make my own interpretations and when that is different from the majority, it makes you an easy target. Which is fine with me. I don't let others tell me how to think. I don't spread rumors when other do. I wait for proof.

 

[CB3UK]

I really don't care why my username is used.
But you don't get it. I asked you point blank to give me an example of how the Towles/ Barker situation was handled poorly and you couldn't. I also asked you to prove that he meddled in the offense, and you couldn't. Then in the same sentence want to say that Stoops should not be messing with the offense because he has proven to mess it up. Again, where is the proof?

I am asking for proof and you can't provide any on either question. You didn't even read the entire conversation before coming in and acting all knowing. Maybe you should have informed yourself before saying something.

But you proved.my point in your response. Brown ran Towles and Dawson didn't. Seems to me that that proves Stoops let the OCs run what they wanted to. He just appears to step in with tempo of whether they were snapping the ball quickly, or letting some clock run.

Again, get your facts straight.

Oh, and my username is use a lot because I don't go with the masses. I make my own interpretations and when that is different from the majority, it makes you an easy target. Which is fine with me. I don't let others tell me how to think. I don't spread rumors when other do. I wait for proof.

Dawson would not let Towles run, Brown did. That doesnt mean Stoops didnt interfere with pace of play, which is exactly what I said:

Towles should not have been held off from running. Dawson called for that, Brown didn't

So then you proceed to respond by saying I said the opposite and also deign to lecture me on reading conprehension :joy: Oh man...wow. Just do yourself a favor and stop. Good night.

 

[merrimanm]

Dawson would not let Towles run, Brown did. That doesnt mean Stoops didnt interfere with pace of play, which is exactly what I said:


So then you proceed to respond by saying I said the opposite and also deign to lecture me on reading conprehension :joy: Oh man...wow. Just do yourself a favor and stop. Good night.

No I agree with you. That is what I am trying to get you to understand. You are using that as a way to say Stoops mishandled the QB situation. All you could point to was that he wasn't allowed to run. The fact that one OC had him running and one didn't proves Stoops didn't tell them that Towles couldn't run.
Then you use the argument of pace. Yes, every coach does that. And Stoops is not wron in doing that. It would be different of we were hanging 50 on people. But we are not. The fact that we can't, means we have to use different paces.

But pace does not explain how he messed up the Towles/ Barker situation. That is what I asked you from the beginning.

My only question to you was how did Stoops mess the qb situation up, and YOU took it to the pace issue. And again, that doesn't answer my question.

 

[brianpoe]

@merrimanm, you have become intolerable, even CMS' wife thinks you are overboard with this man crush that you cant seem to stop sharing with us.

 

[Blueaz]

You continue to avoid answering the question Hillary. I said to provide proof that they mishandled it.



Crickets!!

So you think it was handled correctly? Many have stated they thought barker was played in desperation...he should have gotten some playing time and practice reps sooner.
But you go on saying the same thing over and over. If you and Hilary repeat yourselfs eniough, it must be true. As you dodge questions.
Enjoy the debate

 

[merrimanm]

So you think it was handled correctly? Many have stated they thought barker was played in desperation...he should have gotten some playing time and practice reps sooner.
But you go on saying the same thing over and over. If you and Hilary repeat yourselfs eniough, it must be true. As you dodge questions.
Enjoy the debate

What did I fail to answer? I answered every question asked of me.

I never said he did handle it correctly. But I can't say he didn't either. Non of us here know the real truth of how it was "handled". And to say it was out of desperation is a joke. Towles had plenty of time to prove it was his team and didn't do it. So Stoops gave Barker a try. Something that 99% of the people on this board were calling for.

 

[merrimanm]

@merrimanm, you have become intolerable, even CMS' wife thinks you are overboard with this man crush that you cant seem to stop sharing with us.

Typical response from those who have no evidence or argument. Start trying to insult or change the subject instead of admitting you are wrong, or getting evidence to back your argument.