I know a guy that managed the Cattlemen's over there and he told me tons of stories of how many people he had fired for shooting up on the job. That town is jacked up right now.
20 overdoses in Cincinnati Tuesday night
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How about we make it illegal to own those kind of drugs and maybe people will not be able to get their hands on them. Seems to be the argument for assault weapons and guns...why not?
Suboxone is a relatively new drug, but now that studies have had long enough to be conducted it is being found that children of these druggies who use suboxone as the new methadone are showing signs of heart defects and lack the same emotional responses of their peers. Scary thing these doctors handing out this addictive drug to get patients off other addictive drugs when they have no clue the harm it could cause also. How about if you test positive for any hard level drug when you have you're baby you are thrown in jail for child abuse and your kid is given a home with someone who actually loves it enough to care for it?
I wish that everyone had to watch a newborn baby that is struggling to breathe and shaking and crying uncontrollably due to their pathetic carrier (won't refer to them as a mother) who chose drugs over the health and welfare of the child. Then maybe their would be more outcry on newborn rights. Pathetic and most scum ridden people on this Earth!
Suboxone is a relatively new drug, but now that studies have had long enough to be conducted it is being found that children of these druggies who use suboxone as the new methadone are showing signs of heart defects and lack the same emotional responses of their peers. Scary thing these doctors handing out this addictive drug to get patients off other addictive drugs when they have no clue the harm it could cause also. How about if you test positive for any hard level drug when you have you're baby you are thrown in jail for child abuse and your kid is given a home with someone who actually loves it enough to care for it?
I wish that everyone had to watch a newborn baby that is struggling to breathe and shaking and crying uncontrollably due to their pathetic carrier (won't refer to them as a mother) who chose drugs over the health and welfare of the child. Then maybe their would be more outcry on newborn rights. Pathetic and most scum ridden people on this Earth!
Lmao we really have no idea what we have done to ourselves and this earth with all these chemicals. It's nuts.
Also, nobody gives a f about kids. They are often inconvenient and can be killed quite easily, if you wish.
Well this explains all of the overdoses. Somebody laced the heroin with ELEPHANT TRANQUILIZER.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/health/elephant-tranquilizer-carfentanil-heroin/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/health/elephant-tranquilizer-carfentanil-heroin/
I've seen this argument used before by those against legalization. But I can't quite understand it. How will productivity at work be effected? Do you know anyone at your place of work that would start using if heroin were legal? Any of your friends, family members, neighbors, folks you know from church? It seems there's a belief that usage would increase, but no one seems to know of anyone just waiting for it to be legal so they can try it.
The people that will use already are.
We've been doing drugs since the beginning. The forbidden fruit was actually opium poppy. Eve dried that **** out and her and Adam took a trip to the moon.
Uh, **** yes? Heroin is apparently the greatest high on earth, other than Rx. Idk personally, but yes, if you could walk in a pharmacy and buy heroin, I would imagine people would try it. A lot. Over and over again.
Like the bath saltz ****. Legalized, marketed, and used by mf'ers that were afraid to smoke weed. All because it was legally sold everywhere, and marketed as a legal alternative to weed. How F'd is that?
There's no answer, especially in terms of what our govt can do. That **** is a personal/family thing. Govt can only make it worse, imho.
I've always thought the war on drugs, alllllll the talk about it, the *massive* scare tactics used to deter kids has backfired. Like, kids know what allllll the drugs are in like 2nd grade. How to use them, how they make you feel, etc. They probabaly teach drugs on kindergarten now. Why do little kids need to know that? We just know too much, it's way too easy to get most any drug, some of the worst are actually legal and prescribed. So yea, Govt just needs to, like everything else they're socially involved with, STFU and GTFO. They really have no business in this ****, and they jkst make it worse, abuse it for $$$$$, imho.
Balance your gd checkbook and stfu. Till our govt can at least do simple ****, necessary ****, they have no right to keep trying to tackle these issues they have no chance of fixing. But mf'ers believe that crap and they vote for that crap. Many will gladly vote our freedoms away because the govt says it will make us safer from something. It's pathetic. We literally can not balance a checkbook, but we're gonna fix global warming. We can do anything with your vote!!!! ....Except balance a checkbook, quit looking at my damn checkbook!!! ZIKA WILL GET YOU!!! LOOK!! A POKEMON!!
So here is a question. If we are unwilling to legalize drugs, and if we are fighting a war against them then why aren't we really fighting a war. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because roughly 3,000 died on 9/11. How many deaths is Mexican Heroin responsible for? Why aren't we telling the leadership in Mexico that they have a month to get this fixed before shock and awe rolls through their country and we introduce their poppy fields to our good friend Napalm? Surely we have some agent orange laying around in a warehouse somewhere that we could use for a good old fashion carpet bombing.
Also, no one is growing Oxycontin. Those types of drugs require labs, chemists and ingredients that are only available to a select few. Which means major pharma has an active roll in this problem and they need to be punished accordingly.
It's time to either declare this stuff legal and put measures in place to deal with it, or it's time to really declare a war on drugs and solve these problem from the supply end. These half measures that end up creating more problems than solutions have got to stop. The problem is growing too large too quickly.
Also, no one is growing Oxycontin. Those types of drugs require labs, chemists and ingredients that are only available to a select few. Which means major pharma has an active roll in this problem and they need to be punished accordingly.
It's time to either declare this stuff legal and put measures in place to deal with it, or it's time to really declare a war on drugs and solve these problem from the supply end. These half measures that end up creating more problems than solutions have got to stop. The problem is growing too large too quickly.
We're just slow playing the war, Perrin. Pretty soon, we're going to turn on the tracking devices on all the heavy weaponry we supplied the cartels and really give em hell. It's not really lost after all.
Because the leadership in Mexico is the cartels, so naturally, we do business with them. It's pretty simple.
The stupid *** War on Drugs will never end. There's still drugs here. They never went away. But the money we waste on law enforcement and incarceration keeps increasing each year. Prohibition doesn't work period, whether it's booze, guns, drugs or abortions, but whatever.
The "War on Drugs" is less a war and more of a "let's appease these lobbies that donate to our campaigns." Both sides of the aisle are guilty.
The "War on Drugs" is less a war and more of a "let's appease these lobbies that donate to our campaigns." Both sides of the aisle are guilty.
That's exactly the case. Dope article in Esquire this month: "El Chapo and the secret history of the Heroin Crisis" -- linked below.
But it's the profits that will make fentanyl the new crack cocaine, which created the enormous wealth of the Mexican cartels in the eighties and nineties. A kilo of fentanyl can be stepped on sixteen to twenty-four times to create an astounding return on investment of $1.3 million per kilo, compared with $271,000 per kilo of heroin.
Author's quote: "If Heroin is an epidemic, Fentanyl will be the plague"
Great read: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a46918/heroin-mexico-el-chapo-cartels-don-winslow/
Well, crap.
US directly helped put El Chapo on top. Bill Clinton was involved. Hillary would become involved when she became SOS. Seems el Chapo to be the man, like the article said, because you could work with him. He is a business man....who is losing power. His son was kidnapped like last week. Are we helping the new guys, or will we help our good friend el Chapo? Article says new guys are meaner, and we don't know them.
Well, ****.
Yea, until everybody stops doing drugs then there's not much you can realistically do. It's just a waste throwing money at it. BUT YOU COULD MAKE JOHNSON AND JOHNSON STOP MAKING FENTANLY, or so much of it. And you could fly some drones over poppy fields and blow those up. That would be cool.
US directly helped put El Chapo on top. Bill Clinton was involved. Hillary would become involved when she became SOS. Seems el Chapo to be the man, like the article said, because you could work with him. He is a business man....who is losing power. His son was kidnapped like last week. Are we helping the new guys, or will we help our good friend el Chapo? Article says new guys are meaner, and we don't know them.
Well, ****.
Yea, until everybody stops doing drugs then there's not much you can realistically do. It's just a waste throwing money at it. BUT YOU COULD MAKE JOHNSON AND JOHNSON STOP MAKING FENTANLY, or so much of it. And you could fly some drones over poppy fields and blow those up. That would be cool.
Congrats to drugs....for winning the war on drugs, mirite?!
OH SO PAIN OH SO OFFEND
/Merica
Saw scrolling on the bottom line: They arrested a guy in connections with 20 OD's, one fatal in WVU.
What do you think about charging dealers with murder for selling a product that could kill the user?
I mean, lmao. Shitting me? Slippery slopes.
Are you telling me you can't figure out why/how Mexican cartels are getting truckloads of a super-super cancer pain drug made by Johnson and Johnson. OK.
/Merica
Saw scrolling on the bottom line: They arrested a guy in connections with 20 OD's, one fatal in WVU.
What do you think about charging dealers with murder for selling a product that could kill the user?
I mean, lmao. Shitting me? Slippery slopes.
Are you telling me you can't figure out why/how Mexican cartels are getting truckloads of a super-super cancer pain drug made by Johnson and Johnson. OK.
Boohoo, drug dealers. Sorry about your "slippery slope."
As far as I'm concerned the dealers and users are human garbage, bar none. And their defective, weak babies will grow to drag on society for at least one more generation, if not more. Little rats become big rats.
Lock 'em all up and have them pick up litter on our highways 12 hours a day, imo.
I find it funny how many people have at least a trace of empathy for alcoholics, and would like to see them get the help that they need to quit. And funny how many of those same people have at least a trace of empathy for our 50 + million nicotine addicts, and would like to see them get the help that need to quit. And still more funny how many of those exact same people really don't get two ***** if a drug addict lives or dies.
Not that point. They don't lock em up. They don't enforce laws they already have. It's a damn joke. Just like this new law is. Designed to get rubes like you to think something is being done to fix the problem.
They use drug dealers to do police work in exchange for free passes. We do negotiate with drug dealers. We absolutely should not. Ever. Like you said, they're scum, treat em like it. Waterboard em for their suppliers. Wgaf. Make them serve appropriate sentences.
It's just such bullshjtj that the supplier in this instance is none other than Johnson and Johnson. Instead of doing the obvious, we'll pin 20 OD's on a dude who has no idea where this drug came from or wtf is in it, and scroll that across that news so voters can feel good.
It's just such bullshjtj that the supplier in this instance is none other than Johnson and Johnson. Instead of doing the obvious, we'll pin 20 OD's on a dude who has no idea where this drug came from or wtf is in it, and scroll that across that news so voters can feel good.
Who says I treat alcoholics with kid gloves? I'd lock them up as well.
Smokers are bad, but they're not veering all of the interstate because of their nicotine high.
Heroin users are zombies. "High-functioning alcoholic" is a term for a reason. Some of them can still pay taxes.
And Mashburned, I'm far from a rube, obviously. I'm an upper middle class professional who cut my teeth in NYC and barely thinks about these issues because they never enter my world - with the exception of interstate driving. Your station in life clearly leads to you thinking about them so intensely because you're surrounded by them. - Sorry you're a poor who's surrounded by losers, that must really suck.
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Its a great place to spend your twenties, but I couldn't quite swing the $500k a year it takes to comfortably raise a family there.
You got me there!
This is so ignorant I don't know where to begin. If you don't think you are surrounded by people on heroin you aren't paying attention, and have basically just been lucky thus far. Congrats!
The days of it being limited to your stereotypical poor crackhead 'loser' have long passed.
Not sure if you're serious about this! There are currently something like 2.25 million people in prison in the USA. A quick internet search shows me there's something like 30 million people in the USA that have "struggled with alcohol abuse". Where would you suggest we put all those people you think should be locked up?
The real problem here is that government, at all levels, has spoon-fed the public this myth about how horrible drug addicts are. And it's so hypocritical. They'd tell you that people that over-eat and ruin their own health need help, not prison. People that over-consume alcohol and ruin their own health need help, not prison. People that smoke and ruin their own health need help, not prison. People that abuse drugs and ruin their own health need prison, not help.
It's really kinda effed up, if you bother to think it through for yourself.
Sorry to confuse things.
Being poor does not mean you're a loser. Being on heroin means you're a loser. There's just a higher likelihood of encountering heroin users if you're poor.
I guess I'm just surrounded by an exceptional family and friends. #trulyblessed
I'm sorry that your family and friends are part of the problem, apparently. Hopefully, they'll only take themselves out when they go.
Do you really think Johnson and Johnson is the only entity in the world capable of producing fentanyl?
Nothing beats some good old fashioned class warfare imo. Hat tip to you, sir.
I've seen everything from helping smokers to drug addicts and everything in between. Truth is there is a major problem in the USA. There needs to be stricter guidelines and punishments with some of this. I believe in second chances so if you have a problem that you get help for I see no problem with that. It's the ones that want to have there cake and eat it too I'm concerned with. The ones that sell their food stamps to get whatever high they want to be on with it. The stereotype is poor white people I get that. But drugs don't discriminate, nor does anyone actually sell drugs, they sell themselves(see Chris Rock) pain killers are just that they kill whatever pain you're experiencing physical or mental. I have taken pain meds before but I could never go from them to heroin. I've had my chest and stomach cut open so yeah I've been on them before but I'm also well versed in how to take them which most don't give a **** and we just give them out like candy. I hate needles even though I know heroin can be smoked or snorted. For the thousands of times I've been stuck I am still a pu$$y when it comes to needles.The irony is I have a clotting disorder and the only thing that keeps me from clotting is putting a needle in my stomach everyday. I couldn't imagine trying to aim for a vein every few hours of the day thats crazy. They need to start with stricter regulations of simple things like government assistance which allows the barter system to come into play. And of course more harsh laws on the pharmacy companies and doctors giving them out. Taking away some of the welfare is a start.
They have labs on labs on labs in Mexico producing that ****, J&J has nothing to do with it now.
Except when these same drug addicts break into your homes, rob people and businesses and can even resort to violence to get something.
13 years ago my grandfather was nearly beaten to death by two pill heads that used a woman pretending to need help in order to lure him outside and rob him and beat him. They even took medicine he had for his liver.
He was a career criminal and drug user. Everyone wants to act like these people are simply just Cheech and Chong that we're locking up. Eff them.
Thieves and muggers belong in prison. I think we can all agree on that. But not every user is a thief or a mugger.