IMO UK is flat out going to have to outscore people. If we try to play smash-mouth with the SEC teams it will be another disappointing season.
2016 depth chart
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Yup. Make a bowl have 4 of your 6 losses be by 7-10 points, and they'll be some hype next offseason for the good guys in blue and white.
Most 3 4 teams in college do not use 3 300 pounders in the 3 4. I checked a whole bunch of depth charts. We are actually bigger than most teams on the line.
I actually think we are better at backer than we have been. Love is a better Mike than Forrest and Jones and Brown are better than anything we have had at will.
Brown's weight is still a bit of concern - still only 215, was hoping he would be in the 225 - 230 range by now.
Maybe he and big Matt can start trading plates
Maybe he and big Matt can start trading plates
Brown's weight is still a bit of concern - still only 215, was hoping he would be in the 225 - 230 range by now.
Maybe he and big Matt can start trading plates
Yeah. On bright side he was 207 on spring roster. Allen at 230 as a sophomore is encouraging he'll have Dupree's dimensions by his senior year.
but running the ball effectively spins the clock & keeps our weaker defense off the field
Not sure why you'd hope for that. Our problem isn't them being our starting tackles. It's depth at the tackle position. The 1st string looked good. Clearly not the flashy names as the people backing them up at this point, but they'll produce. We should hope that our second string produces at that spot.
He fluctuates from day to day, perhaps because of water weight, but who knows. He's lost fat, that much we know, and that much is what matters the most.
It is important to note that he's still gaining a lot of muscle while losing a lot of fat, and muscle weighs more than fat does, so while he may not be cutting off huge chunks of weight, it's not necessarily an indicator that he isn't improving his body exponentially from what it once was.
To my eye Horton does not run low enough, does not appear to have much vision or quickness, has below average speed, and does not appear to have a mean streak. He might have been a decent player at the high school level but against SEC players he has not done a whole lot. Having said all that I hope he has a great season.
Had late season knee injury/surgery(other knee)...have to wonder if he'll return.
First depth chart I can recall where the same name isn't in two or more slots. I understand it's about quality not only quantity. We will find out soon enough
Typically you have a NT that is between 300 and 320, and one end around 290 to 300 and the other about 270 to 280.
OK, but out of curiosity, what are those weights? And I said the depth at the DE spot. Miggins is "fine" at 285# but Bell and Daniel are both 260#. IMO, that's kinda light for that spot.
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Don't expect too much for Daniel, his target playing weight is 260-265 for rush packages.
Is KD expected to be mainly used for rush packages? He showed some talent getting after the passer in the spring game.
Thanks in advance. Appreciate that you take time to post here.
Not sure, he is in the mix for a few packages, wasn't allowed to do much during the spring game due to rules, just hoping the players have a great camp and avoid injuries so Stoops can get the best players on the field for different packages.
I'm expecting big production from KD, if not this year then next year for sure.
Do the research lol. Most teams had big nose but most college ng are 305 310 not to many Elam out there. Dt was 285 300 and other end was 260 285.
I stand corrected, humbled and surprised.
Using 2016 Steel personnel and weights as reference the other 10 SEC teams apparently operating out of a 3-4 base average 296#, 308# and (gulp!) 264# across their starting D-lines. FWIW, he lists the UofL front at 284# (Bailey), 307# (Brown) and 257# (Hearns). I'm not "sure" about Hearns. Hearns was an OLB last season (and in the spring) but was often in as a down lineman in pass rush packages. His "backups" at DE are listed at 295# and 305#.So Meant, Elam and Higgins will be the largest starting 3 man front in the SEC and Bell and Daniel ARE weight comparable to most SEC starting "DEs". FWIW, 240# - 260# (sometimes even smaller) has been the "typical" size of the W/S DE in 4 man fronts. But that position usually played on air and was primarily the speed rusher on the edge.
I can only imagine these "lightweight fronts" ([laughing]) are an adjustment to get more speed on the field on every down without having to go to a specific "rush package". Some 4 man fronts bring in "big DEs" at the DT positions on obvious passing downs.
Anyway, you were correct about the typical sizes in most of today's 3 man lines.
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It's going to be tough for a guard to
Miggins back ups are more pass rushers while Miggins gives us a bit more girth on 1st and 2nd down. With Elam continuing to develop he will occupy alot of space to hopefully allow the edge guys to use there speed in one on one match ups with bigger but slower olineman. UK will improve alot in stopping the run this year imo. Love Elam and Meant are going to be tough to just push around. Jones may not be a huge backer but he is way faster and more instinctive than Henderson and flanigan.I stand corrected, humbled and surprised.
So Meant, Elam and Higgins will be the largest starting 3 man front in the SEC and Bell and Daniel ARE weight comparable to most SEC starting "DEs". FWIW, 240# - 260# (sometimes even smaller) has been the "typical" size of the W/S DE in 4 man fronts. But that position usually played on air and was primarily the speed rusher on the edge.
I can only imagine these "lightweight fronts" ([laughing]) are an adjustment to get more speed on the field on every down without having to go to a specific "rush package". Some 4 man fronts bring in "big DEs" at the DT positions on obvious passing downs.
Anyway, you were correct about the typical sizes in most of today's 3 man lines.
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Well, this ^^^ is opinion so therefore we can argue! [roll]
I have gone back and watched some late season games as well as the B/W game multiple times and I see no "development" in Elam's play. You really do not have to move him, merely seal him off on the play side. Quite frankly, most teams today do not spend a lot of time with plays that use a double team block. They simply find more creative ways to block the and that do not "waste" an extra blocker on one player.
One very common approach is a down block on the NT by the play side OG, a down block by the play side OT on the play side ILB and a trap block by the back side OG on the DT/DE. In the B/W game Elam was blocked several different ways (some doubles) and was basically a non-factor against the White offense. There were several plays where the ball carrier ran right past him (i.e., arm's length away) because he could not get off or play through the block. IMO, despite his size (maybe too much size?) he has simply not shown to be the "2 gap" player that he is supposed to be. But, FWIW, a true 2 gap player is pretty darn hard to find. It's not just size, it is also about strength, quickness and technique.
As for the other 2 DLs, because they usually line up in a 4 tech they are not going to get "outside alignment advantage" that a 4-3 W/S DE gets against the OT on a speed rush. That is to say, the close alignment to the OT allows the OT to engage him on the LOS rather than a step or 2 behind the LOS.
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I see a huge change in Elam the way he moves. The dlineman where under strict orders to not go hard in the spring game. Elam is going to give teams a tough match up this year. When I say edge players I'm talking about the olb in this defense. Elam is going to make you eat your words wildcard lol.
i wonder what the rules were on the dline in the spring game though???? much has been said about our front 3 not looking great in that game but it looked to me like the rule was for them to fire off and then play gaps and not really "fight" up front. i assumed this was for injury concerns for the front 3 with limited depth there in the spring.
para... when you said rules was this what you were referring too??
Not Parabolicsecan but I cannot imagine what you are suggesting. Generally speaking spring games rule out contact on the QB and certain defensive blitzes and stunts. The rest is live. Certainly getting off blocks is encouraged! Can't recall the RB or the LB involved but on 1 play in particular said LB absolutely blew up said RB in the hole.
Parabolicsecan, if I may, what is the origin of your screen name? Did I read somewhere you are an engineer? Not my field but I am familiar with the term parabolic scan in antennas and optics. But what about the "e" (i.e., ParabolicsEcan).
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Not much in the name lol! I've used it since my college days playing Unreal Tournament and now for Halo and GOW! It's just a join of two concepts I found interesting in Calc (Parabolic curves) and Trig (Secant, Cosine, etc...). I am a transportation engineer.
There were a limited number of pass rush packages/blitz used during the B/W game, as a result the OL had to really only focus on kicking back as far as they could on the snap to counter speed rush, shoulder dips, etc...
Regarding the debate on DE weights, I would point out that their effectiveness is largely determined by whether we're running a one gap or two gap 3-4 scheme. Two gap requires DEs with greater size and length, in order for them to play the 5 technique and control the two gaps of their respective OT.
A one gap 3-4 scheme is better suited for smaller DEs, allowing them to leverage their speed to attack a single gap. The one gap relies upon the backers to assume some gap responsibility, whereas the two gap is designed to keep the middle backers clean by having the three down lineman each playing two gaps.
For those interested, here's a quick read on one vs two gap 3-4, and the similar challenge the NY Giants had with their smallish DE personnel:
http://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/14/7521035/ny-giants-defensive-coordinator-34-defense-explained
A one gap 3-4 scheme is better suited for smaller DEs, allowing them to leverage their speed to attack a single gap. The one gap relies upon the backers to assume some gap responsibility, whereas the two gap is designed to keep the middle backers clean by having the three down lineman each playing two gaps.
For those interested, here's a quick read on one vs two gap 3-4, and the similar challenge the NY Giants had with their smallish DE personnel:
http://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/14/7521035/ny-giants-defensive-coordinator-34-defense-explained