2025 Transfer Class

[ThatadultfromHolland]

With Northwestern's transfer class finalized, it's clear the Wildcats have bolstered their roster, addressing key areas and adding depth.

Departures

• Luke Hunger (C):While he provided okay size and a different look offensively off the bench, his impact was limited, particularly on defense, where he never really figured it out.
• Matt Barkley (F): Barkley contributed as a reserve forward, offering depth but limited statistical impact.

Additions

• Arrinten Page (C, 6'11"): A former top-50 recruit, Page brings significant upside. At his previous schools, he showcased his athleticism and defensive potential, though he had limited playing time. His ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor with a developing outside shot makes him a promising addition to Northwestern's frontcourt. There’s a ton of needs development wise on parts of his game but the potential is there.
• Max Green (G, 6'6"): Green had a standout season at Holy Cross. Known for his sharpshooting, he adds a reliable perimeter threat to the Wildcats offense. Pretty versatile as well averaging 14.9 points, 5.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 42% shooting.
• Jayden Reid (G, 5'10"): Reid brings experience from USF where he contributed as a point guard showing up in all but one game in his two years. His quickness, playmaking abilities, and scoring will provide depth and competition in the backcourt. Very easily could start.

Outlook

Northwestern's roster moves suggest a strategic approach to building a more dynamic and versatile team. The additions of Page, Green, and Reid address previous shortcomings in rim protection, three-point shooting, and experienced point guard depth. While the departures of Hunger and Barkley remove some bench experience, the incoming talent offers noticeably higher ceilings and the potential to make a more significant impact.

Overall, the Wildcats appear to have strengthened their squad, positioning themselves for a competitive run in the upcoming season. All the transfers have multiple years of eligibility as well. Should be a fun group to watch grow with the two most recent recruiting classes.

 

[Hungry Jack]

"Trading" Hunger and Barkley for Page and Green is a massive roster upgrade. Reid gives us 3 reliable ball handlers at guard.

Collins and his staff deserve tons of credit for retooling the roster after the disastrous Ggarg ultimatum that kneecapped the 2023 class.

 

[GatoLouco]

The graduate market became near extinct. Our transfer admissions policies did not.

More than likely we will see growing pains with these transfers. Unlike Langborg or Leach, these are are not experienced players. They have the potential to be the best transfer class we ever had, but it might not look so next year.

Good chance we will have to be patient with these fellas. Personally I look forward to seeing them, as well as many others on the team, grow. Be competitive and feisty and it will feel like a good year to cheer the white and purple.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Green played a TON of minutes his first year, averaging 34 minutes over 31 games.

Reid averaged 23 minutes as a first year, and 29 last year, playing in 64 games overall.

Page has played the least, but still has averaged 10 minutes over 58 career games.

I agree patience is needed, but these guys have a foundation of experience.

 

[TheC]

All these guys could, in theory, come back after next season, right? So, with the strong incoming freshman class and these three, next season could be fun, but 26-27 could be really fun! (Even though I know we'll lose Mart)

 

[DaCat]

With Northwestern's transfer class finalized, it's clear the Wildcats have bolstered their roster, addressing key areas and adding depth.

Departures

• Luke Hunger (C):While he provided okay size and a different look offensively off the bench, his impact was limited, particularly on defense, where he never really figured it out.
• Matt Barkley (F): Barkley contributed as a reserve forward, offering depth but limited statistical impact.

Additions

• Arrinten Page (C, 6'11"): A former top-50 recruit, Page brings significant upside. At his previous schools, he showcased his athleticism and defensive potential, though he had limited playing time. His ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor with a developing outside shot makes him a promising addition to Northwestern's frontcourt. There’s a ton of needs development wise on parts of his game but the potential is there.
• Max Green (G, 6'6"): Green had a standout season at Holy Cross. Known for his sharpshooting, he adds a reliable perimeter threat to the Wildcats offense. Pretty versatile as well averaging 14.9 points, 5.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 42% shooting.
• Jayden Reid (G, 5'10"): Reid brings experience from USF where he contributed as a point guard showing up in all but one game in his two years. His quickness, playmaking abilities, and scoring will provide depth and competition in the backcourt. Very easily could start.

Outlook

Northwestern's roster moves suggest a strategic approach to building a more dynamic and versatile team. The additions of Page, Green, and Reid address previous shortcomings in rim protection, three-point shooting, and experienced point guard depth. While the departures of Hunger and Barkley remove some bench experience, the incoming talent offers noticeably higher ceilings and the potential to make a more significant impact.

Overall, the Wildcats appear to have strengthened their squad, positioning themselves for a competitive run in the upcoming season. All the transfers have multiple years of eligibility as well. Should be a fun group to watch grow with the two most recent recruiting classes.

Good writeup, Kid.

There definitely will be an adjustment period for the incoming transfers playing in the B1G - like Leach this past year - but as Hungry pointed out, both Reid and Green played a lot of minutes last year. I think the learning curve won't be too steep for them; Page is less experienced so it'll be interested to see his progression. With Martinelli's leadership, and a decent core of returners in KJ, Gelo, Mullins, and Clayton, hopefully the team will bond quickly with all the new faces.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

The 2025–26 Northwestern squad is going to be young and full of potential, but also a group that’ll need time. There's a ton of development ahead this offseason, and while there will be growing pains, the upside is clear. NU absolutely came out ahead in the portal, they added more talent than they lost.

What’s exciting is the long-term trajectory. This transfer class, paired with KJ, Gelo, and the freshman group, have the tools to grow into something special over the next 2–3 years. But Big Ten basketball is a different level, it’s physical, it’s fast, and it takes time to adjust. Patience is going to be important. The new guys will need time to settle in, find chemistry, and carve out their roles. And with so many new underclassmen in the mix, there are going to be ups and downs. That’s just the reality of a year filled with young talent.

The key will be internal growth. If the staff can accelerate that development curve, this team could look completely different by February or March. Minutes and roles could change a ton. As could how well this team plays. If Martinelli can get enough support, he’s good enough to drag this team places despite what some statisticians say about him.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Good writeup, Kid.

There definitely will be an adjustment period for the incoming transfers playing in the B1G - like Leach this past year - but as Hungry pointed out, both Reid and Green played a lot of minutes last year. I think the learning curve won't be too steep for them; Page is less experienced so it'll be interested to see his progression. With Martinelli's leadership, and a decent core of returners in KJ, Gelo, Mullins, and Clayton, hopefully the team will bond quickly with all the new faces.

Sorry to nitpick, but a "steep" learning curve means that big strides are made relatively quickly. It's a good thing in that it means players adjust quickly. So let's hope the learning curve is steep for all 3, so that they are ready to contribute in conference play.

 

[DaCat]

Sorry to nitpick, but a "steep" learning curve means that big strides are made relatively quickly. It's a good thing in that it means players adjust quickly. So let's hope the learning curve is steep for all 3, so that they are ready to contribute in conference play.

No, that's not what it means. A "steep learning curve" generally means that something is difficult to learn and takes a significant amount of effort to master. It implies that initial progress might be slow, and acquiring basic skills or knowledge can be challenging.

Reid and Green will have a not-so-steep learning curve hopefully.

 

[Hungry Jack]

No, that's not what it means. A "steep learning curve" generally means that something is difficult to learn and takes a significant amount of effort to master. It implies that initial progress might be slow, and acquiring basic skills or knowledge can be challenging.

Reid and Green will have a not-so-steep learning curve hopefully.

The slope of the curve suggests knowledge or skill accumulated over time. A steep slope suggests faster development.

Northwestern thread alert!

 

[DaCat]

The slope of the curve suggests knowledge or skill accumulated over time. A steep slope suggests faster development.

Northwestern thread alert!

No. The slope is independent of the x-axis (time frame).

 

[PurpleFaze]

"Trading" Hunger and Barkley for Page and Green is a massive roster upgrade. Reid gives us 3 reliable ball handlers at guard.

Collins and his staff deserve tons of credit for retooling the roster after the disastrous Ggarg ultimatum that kneecapped the 2023 class.

I think the actual “trade” dynamics are more along the line of Page, Green, Reid for as much of Brooks, MN, Berry, Leach as possible

We have a great frosh class coming in, but it’s very hard to win in the Big 10 with them needing to be producers from the get go. The 3 new transfers give us some more experience to combine with guys like NM, KJ, etc to give us a deeper roster so the frosh don’t immediately have to sink or swim

Hunger and Barkley in the big picture were nothing more than fringe bench players

 

[Hungry Jack]

No. The slope is independent of the x-axis (time frame).

I looked it up, and you are correct! I have always applied my own definition, I guess, where the steepness of the curve connotes how quickly the skill is mastered. According to the AI, that is the "technical" meaning. But the colloquial meaning is different:

Technical Meaning:
In a graph depicting learning (e.g., skill or knowledge acquired over time), a steep curve indicates a rapid increase in learning or proficiency within a short period.

Colloquial Meaning:
People typically use "steep learning curve" to describe something that is hard to learn, even if it's initially easy to pick up the basics.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

With Northwestern's transfer class finalized, it's clear the Wildcats have bolstered their roster, addressing key areas and adding depth.

Departures

• Luke Hunger (C):While he provided okay size and a different look offensively off the bench, his impact was limited, particularly on defense, where he never really figured it out.
• Matt Barkley (F): Barkley contributed as a reserve forward, offering depth but limited statistical impact.

Additions

• Arrinten Page (C, 6'11"): A former top-50 recruit, Page brings significant upside. At his previous schools, he showcased his athleticism and defensive potential, though he had limited playing time. His ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor with a developing outside shot makes him a promising addition to Northwestern's frontcourt. There’s a ton of needs development wise on parts of his game but the potential is there.
• Max Green (G, 6'6"): Green had a standout season at Holy Cross. Known for his sharpshooting, he adds a reliable perimeter threat to the Wildcats offense. Pretty versatile as well averaging 14.9 points, 5.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 42% shooting.
• Jayden Reid (G, 5'10"): Reid brings experience from USF where he contributed as a point guard showing up in all but one game in his two years. His quickness, playmaking abilities, and scoring will provide depth and competition in the backcourt. Very easily could start.

Outlook

Northwestern's roster moves suggest a strategic approach to building a more dynamic and versatile team. The additions of Page, Green, and Reid address previous shortcomings in rim protection, three-point shooting, and experienced point guard depth. While the departures of Hunger and Barkley remove some bench experience, the incoming talent offers noticeably higher ceilings and the potential to make a more significant impact.

Overall, the Wildcats appear to have strengthened their squad, positioning themselves for a competitive run in the upcoming season. All the transfers have multiple years of eligibility as well. Should be a fun group to watch grow with the two most recent recruiting classes.

Most interesting to me is that all of Page, Green, and Reid have multiple years of eligibility remaining. While I’m sure Collins wants to be as competitive as possible in 25/26 for Martinelli’s senior season, we could be pretty well positioned to be a better and deeper team in 26/27.

 

[GatoLouco]

Most interesting to me is that all of Page, Green, and Reid have multiple years of eligibility remaining. While I’m sure Collins wants to be as competitive as possible in 25/26 for Martinelli’s senior season, we could be pretty well positioned to be a better and deeper team in 26/27.

There are almost no players in the portal, that we can get through admissions, who do not have multiple years of eligibility.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Lots of options here. Developmental upside everywhere, and a team that could genuinely be deep and pretty great if a lot of guys develop. Other than Page, lots of depth developmental options too, ie, if Windham only kind of develops, Clayton doesn't, but Reid steps into the Big Ten well, that would work, and if Green steps up well but Ciarvino struggles, or vice versa, that's also workable. Only Page really kinda needs to develop.

 

[hdhntr1]

Green played a TON of minutes his first year, averaging 34 minutes over 31 games.

Reid averaged 23 minutes as a first year, and 29 last year, playing in 64 games overall.

Page has played the least, but still has averaged 10 minutes over 58 career games.

I agree patience is needed, but these guys have a foundation of experience.

They still also need to learn to play together and with the rest of the roster and that can take some time as well.. Not like adding one guy such as Leach or Langborg. (yes we brought in centers as well but they were backups that averaged 5-10 minutes and not 20-25

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

There are almost no players in the portal, that we can get through admissions, who do not have multiple years of eligibility.

It’s easier to get grad transfers through admissions than undergraduate players. In fact, this is the first cycle we’ve ever been able to get through guys with 2 years left. That was previously “no man’s land” and not something the Admissions office would support.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

Lots of options here. Developmental upside everywhere, and a team that could genuinely be deep and pretty great if a lot of guys develop. Other than Page, lots of depth developmental options too, ie, if Windham only kind of develops, Clayton doesn't, but Reid steps into the Big Ten well, that would work, and if Green steps up well but Ciarvino struggles, or vice versa, that's also workable. Only Page really kinda needs to develop.

And Bennerman. I actually think he and Page are pretty similar, though Bennerman has to put on a pretty decent amount of good weight.

 

[GatoLouco]

It’s easier to get grad transfers through admissions than undergraduate players. In fact, this is the first cycle we’ve ever been able to get through guys with 2 years left. That was previously “no man’s land” and not something the Admissions office would support.

Sure. But there’s almost no grad transfers in the portal.

AJ Turner had 2 years left.

 

[docrugby1]

I believe that increased competition during practices will speed the integration and progress of the team and new players.
Page v Bannerman should benefit both.
Martinelli v Singleton v Kropp
Gelo v Green v Mullins
KJ v Green v Gill
Reid v Clayton v West
I hope CC increases his rotation to insure useable depth during the season

 

[SDakaGordie]

The 2025–26 Northwestern squad is going to be young and full of potential, but also a group that’ll need time. There's a ton of development ahead this offseason, and while there will be growing pains, the upside is clear. NU absolutely came out ahead in the portal, they added more talent than they lost.

What’s exciting is the long-term trajectory. This transfer class, paired with KJ, Gelo, and the freshman group, have the tools to grow into something special over the next 2–3 years. But Big Ten basketball is a different level, it’s physical, it’s fast, and it takes time to adjust. Patience is going to be important. The new guys will need time to settle in, find chemistry, and carve out their roles. And with so many new underclassmen in the mix, there are going to be ups and downs. That’s just the reality of a year filled with young talent.

The key will be internal growth. If the staff can accelerate that development curve, this team could look completely different by February or March. Minutes and roles could change a ton. As could how well this team plays. If Martinelli can get enough support, he’s good enough to drag this team places despite what some statisticians say about him.

In my view, NU has never (in the modern age of the last 50 years) had the quality and depth of talent on its roster as it will next year, with talent maturing and increasing (despite losing Mart) in 2026-27. While we are relatively young overall, it is undeniable that there is a lot of upside to this team and excitement for a better future.

 

[Southport Cat]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

 

[DkeCat]

With Northwestern's transfer class finalized, it's clear the Wildcats have bolstered their roster, addressing key areas and adding depth.

Departures

• Luke Hunger (C):While he provided okay size and a different look offensively off the bench, his impact was limited, particularly on defense, where he never really figured it out.
• Matt Barkley (F): Barkley contributed as a reserve forward, offering depth but limited statistical impact.

Additions

• Arrinten Page (C, 6'11"): A former top-50 recruit, Page brings significant upside. At his previous schools, he showcased his athleticism and defensive potential, though he had limited playing time. His ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor with a developing outside shot makes him a promising addition to Northwestern's frontcourt. There’s a ton of needs development wise on parts of his game but the potential is there.
• Max Green (G, 6'6"): Green had a standout season at Holy Cross. Known for his sharpshooting, he adds a reliable perimeter threat to the Wildcats offense. Pretty versatile as well averaging 14.9 points, 5.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 42% shooting.
• Jayden Reid (G, 5'10"): Reid brings experience from USF where he contributed as a point guard showing up in all but one game in his two years. His quickness, playmaking abilities, and scoring will provide depth and competition in the backcourt. Very easily could start.

Outlook

Northwestern's roster moves suggest a strategic approach to building a more dynamic and versatile team. The additions of Page, Green, and Reid address previous shortcomings in rim protection, three-point shooting, and experienced point guard depth. While the departures of Hunger and Barkley remove some bench experience, the incoming talent offers noticeably higher ceilings and the potential to make a more significant impact.

Overall, the Wildcats appear to have strengthened their squad, positioning themselves for a competitive run in the upcoming season. All the transfers have multiple years of eligibility as well. Should be a fun group to watch grow with the two most recent recruiting classes.

Really? No comments here on the typo? When did everyone get so highbrow

 

[DaCat]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

I love the bravado and would love to see some freshman or three ball out from the get go. KJ making a big leap is one thing, making first team All B1G is a different story (Exhibit A: Martinelli, Nick).

 

[Username Not Available]

I tend to be a glass half empty guy, so pardon my constant concerns, but...

One of the big challenges I see in the coming year is Collins getting/keeping the team is family vibe and the crazy work ethic we've seen produce such big leaps in the players year to year. We just lost the core of the team culture to graduation. Nick's a great kid - is he the kind of leader (like we saw in Boo and Brooks) who can drive the bus and lead all the new kids into the Cats culture? How strong is that foundation and can it carry forward? That's a pretty big challenge and I don't know if he's built that way. But I believe the long term success of the program is best achieved that way. NU isn't built to just buy a new team every year. At least it doesn't seem that way to me.

 

[SDakaGordie]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

There are expectations and there are goals. I love the goal of becoming a blue blood (we are not one now). But expectations must be lower given our academic restrictions and historical poor results and likely (?) NIL disadvantages from being a small school. Collins knew from day 1 that this job would be a huge challenge, and he’s achieved some goals already. We need to keep raising the bar, but it’s not fair to just assume we are there already - we are still on the ramp.

 

[Hungry Jack]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

There was no way Windham was going to make that type of leap with the roster we had before the transfers. He and Nick would have been hounded to the end of the earth by opposing teams. The transfers (and more seasoning for Gelo and Mullins) give me hope that we have more threats on offense to take the heat off those two. You really need at least 3 to make teams pay. I am cautiously optimistic we have that.

It would not shock me to see KJ go off for 30 some night next season. I think he has that type of talent.

 

[prez77]

No. The slope is independent of the x-axis (time frame).

No. The slope is a ratio of the y axis change divided by the x axis change. The statistic requires both, as would be the first derivative if the learning curve is indeed a curve, rather than linear.

 

[macarthur31]

I tend to be a glass half empty guy, so pardon my constant concerns, but...

One of the big challenges I see in the coming year is Collins getting/keeping the team is family vibe and the crazy work ethic we've seen produce such big leaps in the players year to year. We just lost the core of the team culture to graduation. Nick's a great kid - is he the kind of leader (like we saw in Boo and Brooks) who can drive the bus and lead all the new kids into the Cats culture? How strong is that foundation and can it carry forward? That's a pretty big challenge and I don't know if he's built that way. But I believe the long term success of the program is best achieved that way. NU isn't built to just buy a new team every year. At least it doesn't seem that way to me.

From what I've gleaned from the videos shared on social media - Nick is very much a leader. He may not be rah rah, but the younger guys respect him for his 100% effort during practice and that the coaches have to drag him off the court.

Collins sees NU as a developmental program - so it's going to be his challenge to build cohesion and foster a culture where players won't wanna leave. One way to help with that is by consistently recruiting local, and bringing in guys who have deep ties to the area. If that B1G Network "The Journey" documentary series is accurate, Nick is back in Glenview every Sunday night for family dinner. Look at how the Ciaravino family shows out at every home game. Makes sense that he keeps at it with Illinois guys like Phoenix Gill, and Indiana guys like Windham and Singleton.

The other hook is Collins still needs to find players who want to make history - the next level is 2nd weekend of NCAAs or even a B1G championship. The upside is that he's gotten results, and there shortage of video of Collins looking like a coach you'd run through a wall for (be it from past player testimonials, or seeing him in press conferences gush about Boo Buie or Brooks Barnhizer) - he now can get a conversation with any recruit (note: that sees value in the degree. NU doesn't have one-and-done cache yet.)

In sum, I agree with you - NU could probably endure one or two "mercenaries" from the portal, but it ain't built to use it like a buffet (a la USC). It's not just the resources, but I just don't think that's how Collins wants to do it.

 

[DaCat]

No. The slope is a ratio of the y axis change divided by the x axis change. The statistic requires both, as would be the first derivative if the learning curve is indeed a curve, rather than linear.

Of course that’s how you calculate slope, basic math. But the x-axis value is not determined by the steepness of the slope, it’s the other way around. Just because the slope is “steep” doesn’t mean the x-axis is small. Maybe small relative to the y-axis, but the value could be large, for example 3 years.

 

[Hungry Jack]

No. The slope is a ratio of the y axis change divided by the x axis change. The statistic requires both, as would be the first derivative if the learning curve is indeed a curve, rather than linear.

Appreciate a good physics discussion

 

[UpsetAlert]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

Win everything everywhere or else

 

[prez77]

Of course that’s how you calculate slope, basic math. But the x-axis value is not determined by the steepness of the slope, it’s the other way around. Just because the slope is “steep” doesn’t mean the x-axis is small. Maybe small relative to the y-axis, but the value could be large, for example 3 years.

Yes: A steep learning curve means either the material is very had or you've got a lot to learn. I suppose we could estimate this by plotting the trajectory of prior performance and then seeing whether where we want him to be is above or below the extended curve or regression line.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

All due respect because I am loving the chatter and general optimism, but most of you are partying like it’s 2009.

There is no patience to give. We don’t have a lot of time for guys to gel or develop. This is the new world order. The expectation across cbb is these transfers who were productive in mid majors have to be good from minute one. Not A-10 good, B10 good.

We are now in the post “gee whiz I hope we make the tourney” epoch at NU. Last year was glorious in that we fought through another year of ref bs and injuries, but awful in that we let too many winnable games go and cost ourselves a third straight invite. As constructed and if fully healthy, that was a second weekend NCAA team last year with how Martinelli developed. In some respects, no postseason at all is a disastrous result given that reality. I will die on this hill forevermore.

As such, I don’t expect any redshirts and I do expect an across the board leap in development since we have 4 returning played expecting big minutes, three transfers expecting big minutes, and arguably the most talented freshman class ever in terms lf recruiting service rankings and scholarship offers also expecting big minutes. There is very little for a player to gain from sitting out a year in the new world order. You’re better off getting starter’s minutes at Stetson or Elon or Holy Cross and being re-recruited with bigger dollars on the line the next year.

The expectation is that freshmen understand the leap in physicality and sophistication on both ends of the floor from HS to this league. They get the next six months to learn how to rotate and be in position or there are 11 other guys wanting the minutes.

I’m done (and the program should be too) hoping for .500 in the league. The bar was set in 22-24 of a top five finish and at least a win in the dance. We have the history now, and we sure should have the desire after last year. We may not recruit NBA level talent (yet), but the coaches have shown they can get elite college ability from the raw materials at hand.

Who makes the jump now? In ‘22 Boo reached a new level. In ‘23 it was Brooks. Last year Martinelli. I think Windham is ready to be first team all B10 and go 15 and 5 every night, but I’d listen to the case for Mullins o catching up to his D or Gelo turning the explosiveness into production, too.

This is not a “transition” year or whatever euphemism you want to use for hedging your own expectations to prevent emotional distress. This is a 20 win team in ‘25 and that’s the floor for ‘26 and beyond. There is no on-ramp to becoming a blue blood program. The time has already begun. We have the resources, stability, academics, location, facilities and history of development of good players happening right now. Duke did it with the tight combination of factors, and our window is now open.

Saying KJ is ready to be first team all Big Ten is the biggest bout of hyperbole I’ve seen on here in years!

 

[Username Not Available]

From what I've gleaned from the videos shared on social media - Nick is very much a leader. He may not be rah rah, but the younger guys respect him for his 100% effort during practice and that the coaches have to drag him off the court.

Collins sees NU as a developmental program - so it's going to be his challenge to build cohesion and foster a culture where players won't wanna leave. One way to help with that is by consistently recruiting local, and bringing in guys who have deep ties to the area. If that B1G Network "The Journey" documentary series is accurate, Nick is back in Glenview every Sunday night for family dinner. Look at how the Ciaravino family shows out at every home game. Makes sense that he keeps at it with Illinois guys like Phoenix Gill, and Indiana guys like Windham and Singleton.

The other hook is Collins still needs to find players who want to make history - the next level is 2nd weekend of NCAAs or even a B1G championship. The upside is that he's gotten results, and there shortage of video of Collins looking like a coach you'd run through a wall for (be it from past player testimonials, or seeing him in press conferences gush about Boo Buie or Brooks Barnhizer) - he now can get a conversation with any recruit (note: that sees value in the degree. NU doesn't have one-and-done cache yet.)

In sum, I agree with you - NU could probably endure one or two "mercenaries" from the portal, but it ain't built to use it like a buffet (a la USC). It's not just the resources, but I just don't think that's how Collins wants to do it.

I agree with all of this.

Nick is a super hard worker and driven. He has a never say die attitude and he never wants to leave the court. I'm just not sure, and who can really know if they aren't in the program?, if his awesomeness also includes what seems to me to be a fairly rare quality - leadership. Not by example, he has all of that. In the lifting guys up and motivating them off the court, in the weight room, in the classroom, on the campus. He's a little brother, how good is he at being the big brother? NU has only had a few of these types in my experience, at least in the last twenty years or so. Brooks had it. I think Boo had it. Maybe BMac, Vic, and Juice. Anyhow, its all just speculation. I'm always hopeful and worried this time of year (all times of year?). I'm looking forward to the coming season.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I agree with all of this.

Nick is a super hard worker and driven. He has a never say die attitude and he never wants to leave the court. I'm just not sure, and who can really know if they aren't in the program?, if his awesomeness also includes what seems to me to be a fairly rare quality - leadership. Not by example, he has all of that. In the lifting guys up and motivating them off the court, in the weight room, in the classroom, on the campus. He's a little brother, how good is he at being the big brother? NU has only had a few of these types in my experience, at least in the last twenty years or so. Brooks had it. I think Boo had it. Maybe BMac, Vic, and Juice. Anyhow, it’s all just speculation. I'm always hopeful and worried this time of year (all times of year?). I'm looking forward to the coming season.

I wouldn’t worry one iota about Nick’s ability to lead.

 

[Southport Cat]

I guess I just disagree with the immediate agenda. I don’t consider 20 wins and the second weekend to be some pie-in-the-sky daydream on a rainy day, or even that big of a step from where we currently sit. I think often this board erroneously attributes our success to scrappers being coached up rather than a B10 level of talent existing on the roster, playing to the level of their ability.

I know we aren’t a blue blood, but there aren’t many excuses left as to why we couldn’t be. Academics or admissions are bollocks excuses - plenty of good players out there with good grades. Exclusivity should be a feature, not a bug.

 

[hdhntr1]

The graduate market became near extinct. Our transfer admissions policies did not.

More than likely we will see growing pains with these transfers. Unlike Langborg or Leach, these are are not experienced players. They have the potential to be the best transfer class we ever had, but it might not look so next year.

Good chance we will have to be patient with these fellas. Personally I look forward to seeing them, as well as many others on the team, grow. Be competitive and feisty and it will feel like a good year to cheer the white and purple.

It would appear that they have come closer to getting admissions on board that we have seen in the past. I mean they got three undergrads through in a timely manner

 

[phatcat_rivals223240]

I think often this board erroneously attributes our success to scrappers being coached up rather than a B10 level of talent existing on the roster, playing to the level of their ability.

I am a casual fan who was in favor of firing Collins. I was wrong, and I believe you are about the statement above. Do you remember Martinelli as a frosh? Total clown feet. Boo as a Frosh? Chase his first year here? Need a longer list?