2026 B1G Tourney Session IV Thread

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Check post #922
53:40 - 184lbs and Rocco vs Max
you will get a good explanation from people who know wrestling and the rules

Again, I'm not questioning that the rule was applied correctly, but the clear implication is that you can't record a TD inside of "reaction time", so takedowns granted at the whistle as soon as a wrestler gains control of a 2nd foot are a misapplication of the rule (according to the interpretations the defensive wrestler is entitled to "reaction time" even if it's an O/U pancake taken flat to his back with a second to go, it's not a TD as the defensive wrestler has not been given any reaction time). I've seen takedowns awarded at the buzzer when the Offensive wrestler grabs a second ankle. The rule is not sufficiently specified such that it is utterly unclear what precisely "reaction time" is and some get the benefit of it while some do not. It's a bad rule imo as it is currently specified and results in inconsistent application. They need to specify how long control must be maintained and get away from this ambiguous "reaction time" bs. If "Control" must be maintained for a full 2 count after all elements of a takedown are met, then that's what the rule should specify - this can be measured on a challenge and review..... bs, completely subjective and ambiguous "reaction time" cannot.
 

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I was blessed to watch the B10 tournament live at the BJC. I was grateful that Dan Monthly didn't have to leave his seat only one or two times. Going through any tournament b4 Nationals, and coming out healthy is a plus.

Winning 7 of 8 was awesome! Blaze's loss might be a blessing in disguise. He's going to be more motivated than ever to solve the Davino riddle. I'm confident the coaches will have him ready, and he'll get the winning takedown at NCAA's.
 
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For Jax, that might be wrestling Seidel before he gets to Blaze.
Off topic for this thread, but speaking of the special ~move of RBY’s one armed stance … couldn’t DeSanto have developed an attack to that side to take advantage of RBY’s missing defending hand/arm? Or was DeSanto so reliant on setting up his shots with his arms that without a hand hold on that side, he could not comfortably/quickly shoot to that side from space? Or, maybe he should have developed his mirror image skill so as to grab the other [tri]cep. It just seems like he should’ve been able to counter that ridiculous one-armed business. Has anyone made a YouTube video that analyzed actual or proposed counters to RBY’s one-armed stance? I’d love to see it.
 
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Again, I'm not questioning that the rule was applied correctly, but the clear implication is that you can't record a TD inside of "reaction time", so takedowns granted at the whistle as soon as a wrestler gains control of a 2nd foot are a misapplication of the rule (according to the interpretations the defensive wrestler is entitled to "reaction time" even if it's an O/U pancake taken flat to his back with a second to go, it's not a TD as the defensive wrestler has not been given any reaction time). I've seen takedowns awarded at the buzzer when the Offensive wrestler grabs a second ankle. The rule is not sufficiently specified such that it is utterly unclear what precisely "reaction time" is and some get the benefit of it while some do not. It's a bad rule imo as it is currently specified and results in inconsistent application. They need to specify how long control must be maintained and get away from this ambiguous "reaction time" bs. If "Control" must be maintained for a full 2 count after all elements of a takedown are met, then that's what the rule should specify - this can be measured on a challenge and review..... bs, completely subjective and ambiguous "reaction time" cannot.
Could you please elaborate a bit? I'm not sure I understand your point.
 
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Again, I'm not questioning that the rule was applied correctly, but the clear implication is that you can't record a TD inside of "reaction time", so takedowns granted at the whistle as soon as a wrestler gains control of a 2nd foot are a misapplication of the rule (according to the interpretations the defensive wrestler is entitled to "reaction time" even if it's an O/U pancake taken flat to his back with a second to go, it's not a TD as the defensive wrestler has not been given any reaction time). I've seen takedowns awarded at the buzzer when the Offensive wrestler grabs a second ankle. The rule is not sufficiently specified such that it is utterly unclear what precisely "reaction time" is and some get the benefit of it while some do not. It's a bad rule imo as it is currently specified and results in inconsistent application. They need to specify how long control must be maintained and get away from this ambiguous "reaction time" bs. If "Control" must be maintained for a full 2 count after all elements of a takedown are met, then that's what the rule should specify - this can be measured on a challenge and review..... bs, completely subjective and ambiguous "reaction time" cannot.
If I am interpreting what youre writing correctly, the rule and its application is clear as mud to me well.
 

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Off topic for this thread, but speaking of the special ~move of RBY’s one armed stance … couldn’t DeSanto have developed an attack to that side to take advantage of RBY’s missing defending hand/arm? Or was DeSanto so reliant on setting up his shots with his arms that without a hand hold on that side, he could not comfortably/quickly shoot to that side from space? Or, maybe he should have developed his mirror image skill so as to grab the other bicep. It just seems like he should’ve been able to counter that ridiculous one-armed business. Has anyone made a YouTube video that analyzed actual or proposed counters to RBY’s one-armed stance? I’d love to see it.
Sure. But he had TnT as coaches.
 

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After this match, Blaze better rethink his strategy against Davino. He hasn't been any closer to a TD against Davino than I would be. Its pretty apparent that Davino neutralizes any counters and Blaze cant ride him.

Or, as much as I hate to say it, Davino is just better right now.
My one thought is Blaze needs to
 

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A pet peeve of mine…the lack of emotional composure gains camera time. Nebraska’s coach Manning is featured during a match bc of his out of control antics.
 

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Also, PJ reportedly has a hard cut. On Sunday, he had ~ 7 hours to refuel (plus the additional one pound weight allowance). I'd guess he weighed closer to 165 than 157 by time he took the mat.
You misspelled 174 bet he was 170
 

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Way to go Ghadiali. A late TD. And then the ref made the appropriate stall call when Ferrari reached for the area off the edge to seek an OOB.
@Tom McAndrew is the rule in HS the same? I noticed in one of Teag Sanderson's recent matches that his opponent did exactly this right in front of the referee who didn't call it. The time stamp is 3:25.

 
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Did anyone find out what AJ's injury time was about after his brain fart? He seemed to recover quickly with no ill effects. Bruised ego? Convenient excuse?
 

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So you're saying it's impossible to have a TD under 2 seconds due to "reaction time"??? (i.e., reaction time automatically saves you under 2 seconds on the clock). Because I'm somewhat confused by your example as it is completely non-analogus as Mendez created separation vs BB when thet hit the mat (and got one of BB's legs if I remember correctly), but McEnelly never lost complete control of Welsh from the time he lifted him in the rear-standing position to when he planted him on the mat - no separation, never lost his thight-waist and complete control of him. The two are not analogous imo.
He landed in a granby position. See Willie’s explanation with Basch.
 
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If I am interpreting what youre writing correctly, the rule and its application is clear as mud to me well.

Not just the ambiguity of how the rule is currently specified, but it also results in calls and outcomes being inconsistent. It all is quite unnecessary imho - it's stupid to focus on "reaction time" which actually differs from one individual to the next. Just state in absolute terms how long "control" must be maintained after all criteria are met - rwo counts, three counts.... - whatever "beyond reaction time" is, just state it in absolute terms so it can be measured on Video Review and you can eliminate the absurd inconsistency in these calls. Totally unnecessary, and fairly absurd, to leave the amount of time control must be maintained undefined such that calls are all over the place unnecessarily in these situations.
 
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He landed in a granby position. See Willie’s explanation with Basch.

He landed in a Granby position but McEnelly never let go, or lost control, of Welsh (the precise reason Welsh was planted, and it failed from the get go, on the Granby attempt.... and McEnelly never lost control of Welsh throughout the attempt.). In the example cited earlier, Mendez did a Granby on BB, but his Granby was 100% successful in breaking BB's control. My point is, just because he attempted a Granby doesn't mean it was successful - it wasn't, not only completely unsuccessful from the get go, but never close to being successful or breaking McEnelly's control.