PSU is in a much better place than UMD that’s for sure. Locks is worse with NIL than he is at game day coaching
2027 Recruiting Thread
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I think PSU does indeed have money issues which dictates their management style. I'll reserve judgement on how "smart" the GM is until 2027 and 2028 when the impact of allowing virtually all of the top recruits in Pa. to go elsewhere manifests itself.
Spending less on talent than Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Oregon and Indiana.....about equal with Washington, UCLA and Nebraska doesn't portend "excellence at the highest level" or "the national championship our fans deserve."
It seems to me it puts Coach Campbell right back in the position he was at ISU...trying to do more with less. How'd that work out? 50-40 in conference.
When you say they are "conservative with their money", what do you mean, exactly. I am struggling to try to understand what you are saying. Thanks
And why is PSU is having money issues? That's a rhetorical question. IMHO this university is the most mismanaged of all the Big Ten and maybe the whole country. Think about it. We have the 2nd highest tuition and the lowest academic rating in the Big Ten. Naturally this all permeates the athletic department.
I have never seen any rational discussion of what "being conservative with their money" means.
You made that statement - so I thought you might have some insight.
Do you know what you meant by that?
I have never known PSU (either the University, or the athletics programs) to be "conservative with their money" - at least not by any common or reasonable interpretation of "conservative with their money".
Maybe you can share some insight?
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In any organization, where you have incompetence, it tends to spread (particularly if the incompetence is at the top). For obvious reasons, obviously.
FWIW: The gist of your statement is - obviously - correct. But I don't think there are any Big Ten publics (privates are, obviously, operated in an entirely different purview) that have higher tuition than PSU (either net cost, or in-state sticker price).
I do believe there are a couple with lower academic ratings - thank goodness for the Big Ten adding Nebraska and Oregon
. Unless you are talking about "academics" as it relates to the football program - where, IIRC, PSU is currently at the bottom... but that is a small and relatively meaningless item.
When it comes to D1 "college" football the term "student athlete" is an oxymoron. After decades of pride in high achievement in both academics and football (Success with Honor)....PSU's pitiful administration tried desperately to avoid the phrase and coined "Comprehensive Excellence." Any semblance of what Joe Paterno stood for is long gone. 40%-50% of the current PSU roster played elsewhere last season. Approximately that percentage will be somewhere else next season (not a knock on PSU, a commentary on the mess that is college football). Paying players is difficult for many PSU potential donors to embrace, while the only difference in SEC schools is it is now "legal."
But PSU fans seem to want it both ways....excellence at the highest level with a #19-26 wallet. Perhaps Kraft should have been honest about resources instead of adding to the expectations of a segment of the fanbase that is entitled and delusional.
But PSU fans seem to want it both ways....excellence at the highest level with a #19-26 wallet. Perhaps Kraft should have been honest about resources instead of adding to the expectations of a segment of the fanbase that is entitled and delusional.
I don't know exactly what's happening in Texas but we used to have walkon players who actually paid their own way. I can certainly see a situation where marginal players would accept a full ride scholarship but no NIL.
And you know this based on what. Sure cant be any past history, because there isn't any.
Indiana has landed two four star recruits. They have really spend money on one kid this cycle regarding HS recruits. It safe to say they've spend a lot less than PSU. A lot of guys like you on here always declaring that the sky is falling and PSU is no longer going to be competitive, when there is no history going back on the current HS recruiting model more than really two years
Why not just enjoy the ride and watch what PSU does in the off season regarding the transfer portal, before declaring PSU a team that doesn't even pretend that it wants to compete at the highest level. Never occurs to you that the money PSU could have spent on guys like Spell, Borque and the three WRs might end up going to two your three guys that are going to come in here and start in 2027, which is far more valuable than HS kids. IU has shown that in spades.
Hey, I got good idea. Lets wait to see what is going to happen, before declaring that it is going to be a dissaster.
I can see it now. PSU is playing the national semis and you are on here going. Well, our recruiting stinks so don't get used to seasons like this because PSU doesn't even want to play football at this level.
Wake me up when PSU signs the #1 Linebacker, Edge, WR. QB or RB in the portal. Wait and see isn't the purpose of a message board. It isn't a good formula for improving roster talent either.
Ignoring one of the three:
HS recruiting
Roster Retention
Portal enrichment
is not a recipe for success. Pretending that poor recruiting is part of some grand design, is simply an excuse by fans who wish to dream.
Most rankings I see have PSU between 9th and 12th in the BiG. Of course I could see things being different for football players than it is for the overall student population.
I suspect there is a ceiling because it's a state university that is supposed to support a large swath of PA residents.
Some will say tuition is high because of lower state subsidies but I don't know if that's accurate
They have a GM. They have a budget, they determine what they’ll pay, if someone tries to renegotiate they move onto someone else. It’s been addressed in numerous articles and on this board. Ok, satisfied? You have an agenda. You’re unnecessarily aggressive on a fun board. You’re on ignore.
The issue with PSU not matching the amount that some other schools are willing to pay has been addressed many times. There are several factors as to why we do what we do. First and foremost is that we don't have any big money donors who are willing to cover the cost of paying players directly, as some other schools do. We do have big money donors but they choose to spend their money on tangible things like building projects and such. Also, some other schools choose to allocate a ridiculous amount of money on a handful of players at the expense of their entire roster which is a very shortsighted way of using your resources (see Colorado).
You really dont get it. If you are developing kids. You dont need those guys.
Outside of Mendoza, IU really didn't have a ton of high end NFL talent, but they had an entire team that is draftable, or borderline NFL talent or just darn good college players.
We are going to need guys that fill the voids. For this year the dlineman we got that had nothing to do with ISU or PSU along with Riker from Texas State are likely going to be very key regarding how good PSU is going to be, and its obvious that you dont get it.
Peoples might end up as a huge addition. Was he the number one anything?
Peoples was OSU's #4 running back at the end of the season. If that's your plan to improve over the past decade, I suggest you go back to the drawing board. EVERYONE develops players on their roster. Who is better....the 3 star that improves or the 4/5 star that improves?
There are about 100 fan bases in college football that insist they will follow the Indiana model and win big. LOL
Well, he's number one for me.
I've been following Penn State football recruiting for 60 years, and Peoples is the very first scholarship player from my long-time home city of San Antonio, Texas to sign with the Nittany Lions.
One thing a few of you aren’t thinking about is that there’s no point getting into a bidding war in June. 2027 recruiting isn’t done. If you’re okay offering a recruit more money, don’t do it with 6 months to go. Swoop in at the last minute and offer a bigger bag.
If Nebraska outbids PSU for Khalil Taylor, but then PSU ups the ante, what happens if Nebraska increases their bid again? So PSU does again too? Then what if we get Taylor for four or five months and some insane school with loads of money like Texas Tech or Oregon show up in November and offer even more? Though this is just an example—Taylor has already proven he’s not a good fit here anyways.
I think it makes a lot of sense what Campbell and co. are doing. They’re building the core of their recruiting class and if they have the leftover cash and the opportunity presents itself AT THE END of the cycle, drop a slightly bigger bag and see if they can get a couple flips.
If Nebraska outbids PSU for Khalil Taylor, but then PSU ups the ante, what happens if Nebraska increases their bid again? So PSU does again too? Then what if we get Taylor for four or five months and some insane school with loads of money like Texas Tech or Oregon show up in November and offer even more? Though this is just an example—Taylor has already proven he’s not a good fit here anyways.
I think it makes a lot of sense what Campbell and co. are doing. They’re building the core of their recruiting class and if they have the leftover cash and the opportunity presents itself AT THE END of the cycle, drop a slightly bigger bag and see if they can get a couple flips.
How did Taylor already prove he wasn't a good fit at PSU? Is this because he tossed our hat aside when he committed to Nebraska? Don't get me wrong, it was unnecessary and disrespectful, but who hasn't done something disrespectful at that age? The only difference is our actions weren't recorded for everyone to see like Taylor's.
Kids sometimes do dumb things but for most of us, we put them behind us and become men. Taylor deserves the opportunity to do the same.
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Throwing hats is just fine with PSU fans as long as it isn't "our" hat.
Of course kids do dumb things, but at the same time, to say "who didn't do disrespectful things at that age" isn't accurate. Many, many, young people are not disrespectful. By all accounts, Matt Campbell was very supportive of that kid, and to slap him, and the program, in the face like that shows a level of disrespect I don't think "we" all did when we were that age. While certainly he deserves the opportunity, let him learn how to become a man somewhere else.
During the last regime, PSU had to be in the national Top Ten - at least - for the kind of nonsense that makes PSU fans go apoplectic when members of OTHER teams do them.
Rarely did I hear a fan say "That was nonsense", or get the least bit perturbed by any of it.
I will be both surprised and saddened if that continues under Campbell, but time will tell.
You’re going to start this argument again when nearly everyone shot you down last time you tried it??Throwing hats is just fine with PSU fans as long as it isn't "our" hat.
Hang it up old man, it’s bed time.
So we don't have commits who tossed hats? If so, are you suggesting we tell them to go elsewhere? Or are you a hypocrite? Why would I care if the peanut gallery here "shot me down? "You’re going to start this argument again when nearly everyone shot you down last time you tried it??
Hang it up old man, it’s bed time.
Boohoo a 17 year old boy disrespected us!
So the paragon of virtue...is himself disrespectful. LOLYou’re going to start this argument again when nearly everyone shot you down last time you tried it??
Hang it up old man, it’s bed time.
What next? Toss a cap?
Manske fully cleared to return to football action
This article says Alex Manske is fully cleared to return to football action. It also says he was in the Elite 11, I did not know that.
This may eliminate the need to find a QB for next year in the portal, and eliminate the need for Wood to play sooner rather than later.
This article says Alex Manske is fully cleared to return to football action. It also says he was in the Elite 11, I did not know that.
This may eliminate the need to find a QB for next year in the portal, and eliminate the need for Wood to play sooner rather than later.
I think that's the plan. Maybe the kid from Texas (Kase Evans, freshman) will compete with Wood as backup QB in 2027?
Manske was rated 3* 86 in the portal. #699 overall and #44 QB. It's difficult to get excited over that but McSorley was only a 3*. Let's hope he performs beyond his ratings.
He had to be rated low in the portal because of his injury history and lack of PT. He needs to stay healthy and get PT this year or PSU has to go portal for an experienced starting QB.
Then what was he doing at the Elite 11 if he was an 86 rating?
Odd as his composite out of high school was a 4 star ranked 305 nationally. Since he didn't play much in college I'm not sure how his portal rankings were delivered with him being injured. I think he had 4 passing attempts so his portal ranking isn't really off of his resume or action on the field. Elite 11 4 star out of high school that barely played due to injury, but they don't always work out which every school has seen happen. McSorely wasn't close to rated where he was coming out of high school, but that means nothing right now as Trace won a title with being lesser ranked and smaller.
Based on what though? He played in 3 games a FR and only attempted 5 passes.
He was recruited as a 4* #303 composite QB (Top 25 QB) out of High school just the year before. And he had offers from A&M, Nebraska, Iowa, Minny, Wisky, etc.
Regardless, I have a hard time believing Campbell isn't going to be shopping for portal QB to help bridge the gap after Becht leaves.
Regardless if where another QB comes from, we will need one or two more.
I'm one who absolutely doesn't believe we a portal QB although I would gladly take a good one.
By all we've read and heard MC and his staff absolutely believes in the arm strength, accuracy, athleticism and leadership of Mansky. As you stated he lacks meaningful game experience and is also coming off a long non-injury related absence which is also a concern.
I expect to see him get some time this year in the early part of the schedule after that not so much. At least maybe we get some early glimpses into what the guy's potential is in this league.
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