You're not answering my question. Do we join them or oppose them on the strategies they are employing TO CHEAT?
Yes or No?
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Yes or No?
It's NOT the system we're operating in, it's the system Leftists want to operate in because it makes it easier for them to cheat! So according to your prescription to beat them, we should support RCV so we can cheat better than them correct?
This isn't that difficult. If you want to change the laws you have to win elections. How do you do that. Ask the Democrats because they are kicking the Republicans *** and continuing to gain more ground.
@Gunny46 ...I'm not yanking your chain...you're one of my favorite posters on this forum and we certainly agree on most things. However I'm losing respect for you not standing behind your own suggestions to "do what the Left is doing" in order to win elections. I've offered some examples and asked if we should follow them? Your answer should be easy if you stand behind your suggestion. Yet you won't come right out and say "yes" follow them...or "no" continue to oppose their diabolical efforts to find even more elaborate ways to cheat!
I suspect you oppose them, but you can't argue against your own advice to defeat them? Just let me know which way you roll so I can better understand your argument?
I suspect you oppose them, but you can't argue against your own advice to defeat them? Just let me know which way you roll so I can better understand your argument?
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I didn't say cheat. I said do what the Justice Department, MSM, and Democrats say is perfectly fine.
Do you like seeing Republicans lose?
Yes or No?
That's not an answer. If it is, you're saying support RCV. OK...got it. I oppose it, and will continue to oppose it because it obliterates the "one man, one vote" concept in the Constitution.
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No. I also don't support Democrats cheating to win. I refuse to cheat in order to win. We can beat them playing by the rules, and hold them accountable for breaking the Law! The MSM, DOJ and DNC are all corrupt... rotten to the core! Win LEGALLY, and prosecute their lawlessness...make an example of what NOT to do. Don't join them and sanction their disregard for the Constitution or the Law...what is wrong with you?
The Justice Department said they didn't. So constantly complaining about isn't going to fix anything right now. Just going to make people stay home. Trump needs to spend less time on it. Talk about how he plans to win this time.
You oppose it. Sponsor legislation against it. Defeat all Democrat attempts to institute it, and take it to the courts as being unconstitutional if need be so you can BAN IT. Read the link I posted on why it is dangerous. (RCV)
I've explained what concerned Americans are doing to fight against this cheating and disrespect from the Left for our voting Laws. You seem to be saying if you can't beat 'em, join 'em? No thanks.
Neither do I. However Democrats do. Why? Because it's easier for them to cheat with it! Remember, they cannot win unless they cheat! You said "do what they do". So we should follow RCV as they do according to you?
I strenuously disagree.
They better get better organized and do a lot more. The Democrats are gaining more ground faster than the Republicans.
You keep saying cheating. It's the law. You seem to be confusing what you think is right vs what is actually allowed.
RCV is NOT the Law! It's being proposed by Leftists in certain swing districts Democrats want to manipulate to win majority votes where their candidates can't win on their own merits. Did you read the links I provided?
Horse manure. Democrats are good at raising money from their two faced hypocritical rich elites...and they do control the legacy media which presents a false picture of their superior "likeability" and acceptance. However on the major issues facing the country...energy independence, school choice vouchers, fiscal integrity, and America's safety being threatened by our dangerous and open southern border due to inept and incompetent leadership....Democrats get clobbered on the issues they support vs what Republicans are fighting for to correct that mess!
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It's not the Law in Alaska. It's being proposed, and courageously being opposed by most sane Alaska legislators. (as well as other areas not dominated by subversive Leftists)
Again it's not "Law" as in statutory on the books. It's been adopted as a procedure (much like absentee ballots were temporarily implemented) as a way to decide some primaries in some areas where Leftists face little opposition and as a regulation in some States using it as a measure to decide some races. No where has it been set as statutory Law, and in those areas where it's being practiced some GOP legislators are threatening to take it to the courts to challenge its constitutionality...as they should!
I agree the GOP needs to get better at "electioneering"...however I absolutely disagree we should either support or join the Left in their cheating and underhanded skullduggery to steal votes and elections.
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Here's what this says. Looks like they passed it. Stupid if so. Looks like they can undo it though.
In the 2020 General Election, voters approved an initiative to establish a Nonpartisan Top Four Primary Election system and a Ranked Choice Voting General Election system. There will be many changes to how we vote and how elections look. As time goes on, this webpage will be updated to include additional educational tools to help prepare you for voting in both new election systems.
Lol. They say they didn't cheat. So they shouldn't have a problem with the Republicans doing what they do. DOJ and Media agreed with them. Same with the board Democrats and Orange man bad crowd.
They claim they don't lie either, and blame the other side for lying. You don't believe them do you? I know you don't think we should tell more lies than they do?Lol. They say they didn't cheat. So they shouldn't have a problem with the Republicans doing what they do. DOJ and Media agreed with them. Same with the board Democrats and Orange man bad crowd.
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Again...it's a voting procedure that can be adjusted as the election commission in each jurisdiction decides (just like absentee ballots) As far as I know, no State Legislature has adopted this as a "Law" and no Governors have signed any proposed bill making this such. That's not to say some won't....Democrats are certainly licking their chops over this in California, New York, and other "Blue States" because GOP candidates are already facing an uphill battle in those States. This would make it even tougher for them to win a simple majority vote, if they're having to defeat two or more Leftists "ranked" in any particular race.
Definitely against it. You don't have to sell me. Others should keep an eye on it too.
They claim they don't lie either, and blame the other side for lying. You don't believe them do you? I know you don't think we should tell more lies than they do?
I believe they will have no room to complain if they get beat. Even if they were cheated. Not after the stances they have taken.
The answer to the 2024 election is rather simple. Meet the American people somewhere near the middle, not the extreme left or extreme right. The area slightly on each side of the middle is where the winning votes will come from.
Biden is vulnerable. Address the issues that matter to ordinary folks. Inflation, gas prices, crime, national defense. Getting bogged down in forcing the abortion stance, rehashing and whining about an election that was several years ago, etc., is a pathway to once again repelling moderate voters.
Like it or not, while the Bidenettes have a core voting bloc, and while the Trumpers have a core voting bloc, neither party is likely to win by ignoring the middle and zooming to the extreme positions. We are sick and tired of that.
We want a leader. Someone to give us reasons to restore our good feelings about our country, not keep telling us how horrible we are. Someone to offer practical solutions to the problems that affect our pocketbooks and security. Someone that can work with the other party to get things done in a decent, respectful way.
We are tired of the immature, childish name-calling and finger-pointing. Shut the hell up, roll up your sleeves, and get to work for us.
I grew up as a Republican. Worked for the GOP party. My father, a combat veteran, served in elected office as a strong Republican and attended numerous national conventions. Strong defense, recognition of individual rights, less government interference in our personal lives, less interference in businesses, etc. Get back to those values, nominate a moderate, preferably a veteran with combat experience who has seen the horror of war and acknowledeges the necessity to be prepared to win a war, and win in 2024 against a very vulnerable incumbent.
Alienate a huge percentage of women, rehash a past election and whine about it like a tempermental kid, pick a fight with one of the most popular vacation destinations in Disney, etc., and probably lose. Again. Simple choice. The party that is able to pull the moderate vote wins.
Biden is vulnerable. Address the issues that matter to ordinary folks. Inflation, gas prices, crime, national defense. Getting bogged down in forcing the abortion stance, rehashing and whining about an election that was several years ago, etc., is a pathway to once again repelling moderate voters.
Like it or not, while the Bidenettes have a core voting bloc, and while the Trumpers have a core voting bloc, neither party is likely to win by ignoring the middle and zooming to the extreme positions. We are sick and tired of that.
We want a leader. Someone to give us reasons to restore our good feelings about our country, not keep telling us how horrible we are. Someone to offer practical solutions to the problems that affect our pocketbooks and security. Someone that can work with the other party to get things done in a decent, respectful way.
We are tired of the immature, childish name-calling and finger-pointing. Shut the hell up, roll up your sleeves, and get to work for us.
I grew up as a Republican. Worked for the GOP party. My father, a combat veteran, served in elected office as a strong Republican and attended numerous national conventions. Strong defense, recognition of individual rights, less government interference in our personal lives, less interference in businesses, etc. Get back to those values, nominate a moderate, preferably a veteran with combat experience who has seen the horror of war and acknowledeges the necessity to be prepared to win a war, and win in 2024 against a very vulnerable incumbent.
Alienate a huge percentage of women, rehash a past election and whine about it like a tempermental kid, pick a fight with one of the most popular vacation destinations in Disney, etc., and probably lose. Again. Simple choice. The party that is able to pull the moderate vote wins.
The whole idea that in a five person race, the last place finisher's votes go to the second or third highest ranked finisher, and that process continues until one of the lower ranked choices collects enough votes (50%) to beat the top candidate is not only diabolical but unconstitutional! Figures this was cooked up by some Leftists to get their fringe candidates on ballots and enough of them to keep a popular Conservative from winning a simple majority with only 46% of the vote! Again, Leftists can't win unless they cheat. This is a legal form of cheating.
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What's the "moderate" position on raising the debt ceiling and insisting on cuts in discretionary spending? Biden says no cuts...Republicans say no increase in borrowing authority without spending restraints. What's the "moderate" view and how will that position win votes for whom?
That sounds boring. No more Karl Rove backed candidates or Mitt Romney types.
How's that. I'm telling people the Democrats are better at elections than the opposition is. That's a fact. You can sit at home and cry about it or look at what they are doing. Don't do anything illegal. Do you see them getting arrested for doing anything illegal? No excuses. No red wave talk. Adapt and overcome.
It's a dichotomous statement lined by incongruity. You cannot admonish GOP voters to pattern their behavior after Democrats who willingly violate election laws by cheating, then turn around and compel them not to break the law!
If your suggestion is for the GOP to follow what Democrats are doing to win, you are in fact encouraging them to break the law and cheat because that's how Democrats win.
If you do not want Republicans to break the law and win by cheating, stop urging GOP voters to follow what the Democrats have perfected!
Insist on voter integrity, obeying all Laws, developing sound policies in opposition, educating voters on the importance of following the law, and insisting our side maintain that standard while holding the lawless accountable.
Stop promoting lawless Democrat cheaters as the examples to follow!