'25 NCAA Men’s BB Tournament Thread, First two rounds.

DaytonRickster

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I’m not bothering trying to remember who I picked. I have Maryland winning it all, what a doofus.
Just to clarify, I was talking about Mississippi State beating Baylor today, not winning the title. I have selected Florida to win the title.
 
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LionJim

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The players are so long and athletic. I don’t have a trained eye by any means but I think the D nowadays is remarkable. I think that without the three point line the game would be unwatchable.
 

LionJim

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Just to clarify, the European two-step we see nowadays, just now actually, would that have been a travel when we were kids?
 
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LionJim

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A back-in-the-day player who was built like players are nowadays: Larry Cannon.
 

Moogy

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Just to clarify, the European two-step we see nowadays, just now actually, would that have been a travel when we were kids?
Depends. It's not the Euro-step itself, it's the "gather step" that's allowed that would likely change a variety of old-timey travels into legal moves in today's game. There has been a lot of loosening of ball-handling and footwork calls that have made the game "too easy," when you consider just how big and athletic these guys are, and how much they practice and compete today. It also adds to the seeming uneven refereeing, since there's so many judgment calls, in the middle of complex movements.
 
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CDLionFL

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The players are so long and athletic. I don’t have a trained eye by any means but I think the D nowadays is remarkable. I think that without the three point line the game would be unwatchable.
The first time I saw a Eurostep in a HS game, I called it as a travel. It looked weird so it had to be illegal. But considering you have always gotten those two steps when going to the basket (think of the steps you'd take on the run when going in for a layup), the Eurostep is the same thing but in two different directions. With how big these players are now, they get a lot more length out of those 2 steps, which really makes it look illegal.
 
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and then UNC goes cold for the last 5 minutes. Pretty much over: 71-64, Ole Miss, with 9.8 sec left (I've got to run, or I'd wait for the end of the game)
Pretty much emblematic of the Tar Heels all season. Fall behind big to good teams. Make a furoius comeback. Get it to 2-4. Lose by 8-10. Been a fan since the days of Phil Ford and Mike O'Koren. Really difficult team to watch this year.

Oh well, on to the next game. Rooting for chaos. Not much yet. Pretty chalky.
 

DaytonRickster

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Depends. It's not the Euro-step itself, it's the "gather step" that's allowed that would likely change a variety of old-timey travels into legal moves in today's game. There has been a lot of loosening of ball-handling and footwork calls that have made the game "too easy," when you consider just how big and athletic these guys are, and how much they practice and compete today. It also adds to the seeming uneven refereeing, since there's so many judgment calls, in the middle of complex movements.
Another "pet peve" of mine is how players palm the ball when dribbling.
 

DaytonRickster

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Pretty much emblematic of the Tar Heels all season. Fall behind big to good teams. Make a furoius comeback. Get it to 2-4. Lose by 8-10. Been a fan since the days of Phil Ford and Mike O'Koren. Really difficult team to watch this year.

Oh well, on to the next game. Rooting for chaos. Not much yet. Pretty chalky.
Is Hubert Davis on the hot seat?
 
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DaytonRickster

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Pretty much emblematic of the Tar Heels all season. Fall behind big to good teams. Make a furoius comeback. Get it to 2-4. Lose by 8-10. Been a fan since the days of Phil Ford and Mike O'Koren. Really difficult team to watch this year.

Oh well, on to the next game. Rooting for chaos. Not much yet. Pretty chalky.
Didn't watch that game. How did R.J. Davis play for Tar Heels?
 

Ludd

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The first time I saw a Eurostep in a HS game, I called it as a travel. It looked weird so it had to be illegal. But considering you have always gotten those two steps when going to the basket (think of the steps you'd take on the run when going in for a layup), the Eurostep is the same thing but in two different directions. With how big these players are now, they get a lot more length out of those 2 steps, which really makes it look illegal.
But technically you don’t get two steps, you get a step and half (off the dribble or while catching a pass). The euro step is often coming off the half step off the dribble, which actually ends up being two and a half steps, which is a travel. They’ve also allowed the jump stop to evolve into something that should be a travel….when we played, you had to land with both feet at the same time, but now they often land one foot first then the next one, which should be a travel, but they let it go.
 

Erial_Lion

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A couple of days of great games…Big 10 really had a good showing (I’m sure it makes it even tougher to watch for Indiana fans). Only thing better than the hoops was the Jim’s steak at 12:30am last night (my first since they reopened)!
 
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CDLionFL

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But technically you don’t get two steps, you get a step and half (off the dribble or while catching a pass). The euro step is often coming off the half step off the dribble, which actually ends up being two and a half steps, which is a travel. They’ve also allowed the jump stop to evolve into something that should be a travel….when we played, you had to land with both feet at the same time, but now they often land one foot first then the next one, which should be a travel, but they let it go.

Correct about the jump stop. Too many officials let players get away with not landing on two feet. And now they're allowing a little too much when it comes to gathering passes and going into shots. There have been too many times in the first two rounds of this Tournament where I've called out 'that's a travel' without a whistle.
 
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DaytonRickster

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McNeese looks out-coached and very impatient in their offensive sets. This game demonstrates once again the importance of a stellar PG like Smith (Purdue) who can control the pace, is patient, and finds open players for open shots.
Unless McNeese adjusts their defense this might get even uglier than the current 16 point deficit.
 

Tom McAndrew

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St. John's - Arkansas has been entertaining.

St. John's is trailing, late, which isn't good for me, as I think I have them in the Final Four or even winning in one of my pools.
 

LionJim

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Hi
St. John's - Arkansas has been entertaining.

St. John's is trailing, late, which isn't good for me, as I think I have them in the Final Four or even winning in one of my pools.
4-39 for threes, both teams. Arkansas looks to have it in hand.
 

psu31trap

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Boy was St. John’s a letdown. I hope Pitino stays and takes this program to the next level.