His rebounding was good, didn’t realize how poor his shooting was. He is better than he looks athletically but we may be grading him on a curve of low expectations.
2nd Half Thread - NU vs Purdue
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His rebounding was good, didn’t realize how poor his shooting was. He is better than he looks athletically but we may be grading him on a curve of low expectations.
Young could easily have had >10 rebounds if he had any hops. Little guys were outjumping him for balls coming directly towards him, rebounds Pardon would never lose. We just have to accept that that's going to happen to Young from time to time much like it happened to Olah.
This.
The good news is that Young is still a freshman and has plenty of time to hit the weight room. But to truly hold his own in the Big Ten he needs to at least have some semblance of a vertical jump. Guys were skying for boards in this game.
As Lou wrote in his recent piece, 0.1 blocks per game from your starting center is not ideal.
He and Jared Jones at least are different enough that it gives Collins options.
I agree with all of your comments with the exception of Jones looking like he will eventually belong in the BIG. It's too bad we don't have the luxury of red-shirting him as we did with Young. He's frequently out of position and , as a result, fouls a lot. Also, his outside shooting is not very impressive. Overall, though, I'm very optimistic.
Young is the not the problem. Actually much better than I thought he’d be from HS tape. Might be our third best option on O today. Just don’t expect Joel Embid.
I think Jones will be big ten caliber eventually because he already has a big ten body, size and strength you can’t teach. He was in high school 6 months ago and bigs develop more slowly.
I didn’t say he was the problem. He is already quite skilled for a big, and I think he’s only going to get better at hitting the top-of-the-arc 3-pointer.
But he has physical limitations that will be exposed against teams with high leapers and/or true 7-footers.
Young today blocked out bigs as well as we've seen by anyone except Pardon in the last 20 or so years. He gave up five inches to their big and got no calls. Your'e not going to out jump someone if your primary objective is to glue him to your hip. The wings especially had to come in and help, and I thought they did.
Young's offensive stats looked ******. But NU is not in this game by a country mile without Young doing every friggin' grinding and scraping thing he did for 27 minutes. Just an incredibly gutsy game by the young man.
Why the F are people writing about Young when upperclassmen and captains literally did not score? Young's contribution was not why NU lost.
Nojel Eastern is a fine young man.
After watching him for four years at ETHS and a couple at Purdue my assessment has not changed.
His singular issue is that he's so unselfish. Kevin Boyle at Iowa back in the old fashioned was the same. If Nojel could just be a selfish prick on offense he'd be a top 10 pick. He's a legit 6 7" PG, and thick, unlike Vic Law
After watching him for four years at ETHS and a couple at Purdue my assessment has not changed.
His singular issue is that he's so unselfish. Kevin Boyle at Iowa back in the old fashioned was the same. If Nojel could just be a selfish prick on offense he'd be a top 10 pick. He's a legit 6 7" PG, and thick, unlike Vic Law
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today NU had a grand total of 3 points total from upperclassman. I thought the young guys played fine. I have no idea what is going on with the older guys. I mentioned before that Gaines seems tentative as if something is bothering him.
He has next to no scoring ability unless it’s posting up smaller guards under the basket. I’m sure he’s doing pretty much everything Painter is asking of him.
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Really? He doesn't seem to be much more than a little stronger version of Gaines. NU wasn't even pretending to worry about him on the perimeter. At least with Gaines, the D runs out at him.
Speaking of, I was in a bar and couldn’t here the announcers. Why was Young called for an offensive foul when the defender established his position with a foot in the restricted cylinder? I thought that rule extended to post play.
Though he hit them in high school, he doesn't take 3's in college.
But he shoots 50 percent from the field.
He has 3-4 inches and 20 lbs. on Gaines. He has 5 lbs. on Boudreaux who is a power forward. And is cat quick.
He is second in assists at Purdue...first in assists per minute.
I think we’re talking about Young cause he does a lot well and has limitations and we are hoping he’s part of the core that gets us back to the tourney. The vets are not part of that equation.
The problem for Spencer is that some issues are things he’d work on in a full off-season after taking his lumps. Like dropping 10 lbs to get quicker, working on his handle, processing mistakes, being more consistent from 3. I wish he had another year, his toughness could help this team get to a tourney bid next season.
I keep waiting for Turner to break out of this horrific shooting slump. He can't make anything! If he and Gaines can't contribute any scoring at all, we won't win many games in the Big Ten. DePaul's lack of depth burned them yesterday. We need to get some points from more guys.
That's fair. I haven't really seen any of him other than our game. In our game, he kind of looked like a defensive specialist in the mode of Gaines.
It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next month. Bouie is getting more comfortable...he may be starting by New Years. (sample size is still too small) Spencer may be first or second off the bench at the two.
He'll have a hard time on the offensive end with his lack of hops. I think he does OK on defense as he seems to have a good sense of positioning and spacing there. Purdue had a noticeably easier time getting to the hoop when Young was out with foul trouble. He'd be a great seventh man with more seasoning. I'm hoping NU can eventually recruit a more athletic big, but Young would be adequate if he's surrounded by a good supporting cast. Although I didn't think the referees were bad, the third foul against him was a lousy call. They also had a bad one on Nance when he was rung up after clearly blocking a shot.
The foul on Nance when he blocked the shot....two players in the air and there's body contact. One can make the argument that it's an acceptable call.
But not if on the other end Spencer gets blocked and before the shot, in the air, there's body contact.
Gaines has that shoulder injury plus he tweaked his ankle against Pitt. He's probably less than 70% at this point.
The Nance foul was not a good call. The Purdue player clearly jumped into him and initiated contact. The color announcer agreed with me on that one. Unfortunately, the offensive player will probably get that call the majority of the time. It's a shame to see a kid penalized for playing great defense.
That should have been a no call. The Purdue player was out of control and threw his body into Nance, who had a clean block. Let 'em play.
I counted at least two flops by the Purdue defenders on offensive charge calls as well. The refs need to swallow their whistles on those. If the defender flops but doesn't get the call, then maybe he'll stay on his feet and actually play defense the next time around. One of those calls negated a basket by Young, which was a big turn of events at that point in the game.
I mentioned Nance. If Berry is better then Buie, who already looks pretty good, we'll have the most talented NU roster I've seen.
I thought Nance was moving a bit too lateral on that and at least partly responsible for the body contact, which will almost always go in the offense's favor. If he was straight up and down I would have agreed. That was my view of the replay.