3 coaches could have hired in top 25

sluggercatfan

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I was "Petrino or bust", and still regret UK not making the move. Got to listen to my boss tell me how UL is being mentioned with Alabama, OSU, Michigan, etc.

Direct quote "He's the best offensive mind in the game. Would I want him to marry my daughter? Probably not, but we hired a football coach, not a moral compass"

He's right, you know.

I hope Stoops makes it, but it's hard to swallow UL making a playoff run with the guy that was begging UK for an interview leading the way.
Hope Stoops makes it , he is probably getting 2 more yrs, but I would give10% change he makes it.
 

JC CATS

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We could have had Howard Schnellenberger at one time and we let the Bear go! Damn cigarette lighter
 

willievic

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I don't think Coach Stoops has lived up to what most fans expect in his 4th year. However, with getting to a bowl game and improvement in his coaching staff, and much better management of the game, he definitely deserves another year. If he doesn't go at least 7-5 next year, with all the returning starters, he needs to be let go, and Neal Brown brought in. If he can't win with all the returning starters he will have, he sure can't win when their gone. It's time UK quits accepting a coach who can just get us to a bowl. Heck, half the teams in football get a bowl bid.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 

sluggercatfan

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We could have had Howard Schnellenberger at one time and we let the Bear go! Damn cigarette lighter
Please don't get me started on HS...CM(get his name off the wall) Newton and Cliff Hagan were both gutless for not doing what was best just like MB with BP & ML.
 

sluggercatfan

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I don't think Coach Stoops has lived up to what most fans expect in his 4th year. However, with getting to a bowl game and improvement in his coaching staff, and much better management of the game, he definitely deserves another year. If he doesn't go at least 7-5 next year, with all the returning starters, he needs to be let go, and Neal Brown brought in. If he can't win with all the returning starters he will have, he sure can't win when their gone. It's time UK quits accepting a coach who can just get us to a bowl. Heck, half the teams in football get a bowl bid.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Your last sentence is what HS has said on a number of occasions about UK's situation.
 

jauk11

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I have moved on, but just for discussion how many P-5 schools on Kentucky level had a job opening and refused to interview him? Couldn't of been more than a handful.If Stoops doesn't work out we can't afford to turn down anyone with the pedigrees of a Leach or a Petrino. Auburn and UT types have more options than we do.

LOL You could be right even if it is a stupid question.

Was rhere a handful of P5 teams needing a coach that were worse than us, let alone one with a job opening-------and UK didn't have one at the time. Name all the schools that offered him a job, I can think of ONE, and jurich may have had an influence in that, birds of a feather flock together.
 

jauk11

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Love all the back street drivers, again UK fans have been kicked around and put in their place that they cannot dream ala Tom Jurich or UL.

Fact is McIntyre did not get any run with UK, I know because I knew his dad down here in Nashville and family, former Vandy head coach, his dad passed away last year. Mike wanted to stay in Southern area, he was not considered seriously. Argue all you want. Colorado was ten times worse to build. Worse facilities, equal to Joker's roster, no SEC allure. Helluva job by Mike

Leach begged for job, no sniff by MB due to Mumme connection and locking Craig James son in storage room. Leach would leave Wash St for UK yesterday.
Petrino- okay, he is dirty and slimey but honestly only thing anyone remembers and talks about is they are 1 spot from play off and he is coaching prohibitive Hesiman winner.
The Tom Jurich motto worked, we will catch hell for 2 weeks and then no one cares. Exactly, win baby win.

I am a Stoops man, I have been proponent and still am, love his 24/7 recruiting. I am not some kool aid zombie that can't look and say we need to step this up, we are wringing our wrists to win 6. That is not good enough in my book. This should have been a minimum 7 win team to maybe 8. If his first year or second. This is year number 4. Not acceptable. Players look like we belong on field with UT and UGA, we have improved personnel. Need to improve toughness and mental of players and some fans.
I see no way we win 7 games next year. Too many away games, too many games against teams like Miss. St. and Vanderbilt, S. Carolina that are winnable but probably not happening. Means we must make up by beating Fla, UT Mizzou and hopefully beat S. Miss on the road.
What do you do then. Guess we try to get someone who can try for 6 wins or maybe shoot for 7.
Hell UK it's ok to dream, it's ok to have a great FB program, it's not going to ruin precious Midnight Madness or mess that BB team up. Mitch and most fans don't understand or don't care.

Stoops has been a success in many area's but it is time to quit the excuses. We have to do better this is not acceptable, the one's making excuses or not giving props to other coaches are so naïve. Time to step it up.

"Petrino- okay, he is dirty and slimey but honestly only thing anyone remembers and talks about is they are 1 spot from play off and he is coaching prohibitive Hesiman winner."

Apparently you don't come on here very often if you think no one remembers.

Maybe you are one of those fans that needs to improve your "toughness and mental".

Just what is your purpose with this whole thread, quit living in the past, if we had been a charter member of the Big Least we would have probably had a much better record over the years, there was never a doubt Stoops was going to be here this year, and there is no doubt he will be here next year, live with it..

I doubt if he needs support like yours, with friends like you who needs enemies, and there are a lot of fans that think we can and will win 7 or 8 games next year, even with what probably will be a tougher schedule, for one thing we WILL NOT lose to Southern Miss, one up to start with... I think our team will be tougher, we didn't quit against Thug U even after we lost our best deep threat AND our best defensive player..
 
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sluggercatfan

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"Petrino- okay, he is dirty and slimey but honestly only thing anyone remembers and talks about is they are 1 spot from play off and he is coaching prohibitive Hesiman winner."

Apparently you don't come on here very often if you think no one remembers.

Maybe you are one of those fans that needs to improve your "toughness and mental".

Just what is your purpose with this whole thread, quit living in the past, if we had been a charter member of the Big Least we would have probably had a much better record over the years, there was never a doubt Stoops was going to be here this year, and there is no doubt he will be here next year, live with it..

I doubt if he needs support like yours, with friends like you who needs enemies, and there are a lot of fans that think we can and will win 7 or 8 games next year, even with what probably will be a tougher schedule, for one thing we WILL NOT lose to Southern Miss, one up to start with... I think our team will be tougher, we didn't quit against Thug U even after we lost our best deep threat AND our best defensive player..
Funny that none of the media talk about his past when they talk about Jackson being Heisman candidate and Otis making playoffs... It's all about the winning
 
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bthaunert

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Why are people still talking about Petrino? No Power 5 program was going to take him in 2012. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand.
 

rmattox

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Why are people still talking about Petrino? No Power 5 program was going to take him in 2012. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand.

Because his team is at least in the running for a national play-off spot.
 
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Levibooty

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How good would any of these teams be if they lost their top 3 QB's on the roster at the end of last year and eligible to play this year? That seems like a fair and pertinent question to me. That is where UK found itself when Barker went down and Towles and Phillips had transferred seeking PT. Johnson was a rushed emergency JUCO I'm unsure any major program was recruiting. That to me seems like a pretty good coaching job in itself.
 

rmattox

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How good would any of these teams be if they lost their top 3 QB's on the roster at the end of last year and eligible to play this year? That seems like a fair and pertinent question to me. That is where UK found itself when Barker went down and Towles and Phillips had transferred seeking PT. Johnson was a rushed emergency JUCO I'm unsure any major program was recruiting. That to me seems like a pretty good coaching job in itself.

IMO, he has done a decent job. I'd give him a "C" but certainly no higher.
 

jc2010

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Why are people still talking about Petrino? No Power 5 program was going to take him in 2012. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand.
Boy they sure showed him, look how much better they are doing. If I were a Uvel fan I would be thanking my lucky star that all of those morally superior teams passed on BP
 

Levibooty

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Boy they sure showed him, look how much better they are doing. If I were a Uvel fan I would be thanking my lucky star that all of those morally superior teams passed on BP
No doubt there is nothing hard about being morally superior to UL---I for one value that more than football.
 
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BlueRunner11

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Exactly. I don't care how much Louisville achieves. Hiring Bobby Petrino is a very disappointing head scratcher. I actually used to halfway respect iLouisville, and even had Respect for the Charlie Strong hire.
Hiring Petrino completely baffles me, and I remain disappointed in any Louisville fan (including UL friends of mine) that embrace this hire.

BP has UL on the verge of the playoff and playing for a national championship.

We will never sniff that playoff or probably even the SEC East in my lifetime. Nothing baffling about it imo if a school is serious about winning football.
 
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sluggercatfan

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No doubt there is nothing hard about being morally superior to UL---I for one value that more than football.
BP had been at Otis for four years now with no hint of any kind if problems. His wife has evidently forgiven him of his transgression and they are still together and their family is still together. He is is making big$$$$$ to do what TJ hired him to do and they are on the cusp of doing something great with no issues on his part...what kind of moral high ground have we set here?...maybe if MB , who is supposedly a devout Christian, was smart enough he could have worked the same deal in helping BP get his life squared away along with hiring a proven winner for the fb program...winner..winner
 

bthaunert

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Boy they sure showed him, look how much better they are doing. If I were a Uvel fan I would be thanking my lucky star that all of those morally superior teams passed on BP
The discussion is not based around the success he has had at Louisville. The discussion is based around the fact that none of the 13 Power 5 who had openings even spoke to the guy. Hell, none of the 5 Big East or Conference USA schools who had openings spoke to him either. None. He was not a viable candidate for any large program in 2012. If he wasn't a viable candidate, why discuss that he was an option?
 

bthaunert

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BP had been at Otis for four years now with no hint of any kind if problems. His wife has evidently forgiven him of his transgression and they are still together and their family is still together. He is is making big$$$$$ to do what TJ hired him to do and they are on the cusp of doing something great with no issues on his part...what kind of moral high ground have we set here?...maybe if MB , who is supposedly a devout Christian, was smart enough he could have worked the same deal in helping BP get his life squared away along with hiring a proven winner for the fb program...winner..winner
It's one thing to do it 20 months after the Arkansas thing went down and he already coached a season elsewhere. It's another thing to hire him 8 months after the fact. I think that is what is getting lost here.
 
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LeonThe Camel

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All of these expressed interest in UK job when Stopps hired. In fact all wanted job and asked for interviews. Drum Roll please
Mike Leach wanted job when was at Tech and would have left wash st for U.K. He wanted job during jokers failings. Number 22 in ranking, should be higher

Mike MacIntyre. Wanted job, complete dumpster fire that was Colorado football, ten times worse than U.K. Number 10 in poll

Oldie but a goodie. Bobby Petrino, coaching Heisman winner, number 5 in polls.

We are giving games away to ga, so miss, 5 star recruits who live less than 5 miles away are going elsewhere. Having to beat Austin Peay to become bowl eligible. Sounds like we are right on course.

Mainly a jab at the tunnel visioned AD we have, simply too rigid and totally out of touch to make good hires, especially football coaches.
I never understand the one sided nature of these types of posts. Well really most posts in general. When Stoops was hired he was an up and coming coach from the Bob Stoops lineage. Everyone was behind him.In fact I do not remember any negative comments that were not squashed upon their utterance.
He does not have head coaching experience was countered by look at his family tree and he is a defensive genius.
It is only after the fact that he is being bashed. Would we like him to do better. You betcha. But baby steps need to be taken. In the next 5 years he will have us winning.
 
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LeonThe Camel

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I still think Stoops was a good hire at the time. The contract extension was a major blunder and we will see if he can move us forward. I'm rooting for him.
I am beginning to see the strategy behind the contract extension. Follow me on this.
At the beginning of his 4th year, fans were calling loudly for his head, especially after losses to Southern Miss and Florida. But regardless of how this year played out, Barnhart was not going to fire him. He had reason to do so, poor play. But he knows we need stability.
Best way to get stability is to maintain the coaching staff, as much as possible. Barnhart can rest back and tell everyone he cannot remove Stoops because the cost is too high with the buyout.
Fans understand this and we even have complained about openly. Some still want him gone. But again Barnhart can just shrug his shoulders and say the cost, the cost, cost is to high.
All of this gives Stoops time and the opportunity to change the dynamic that is Kentucky football.
 

bthaunert

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I am beginning to see the strategy behind the contract extension. Follow me on this.
At the beginning of his 4th year, fans were calling loudly for his head, especially after losses to Southern Miss and Florida. But regardless of how this year played out, Barnhart was not going to fire him. He had reason to do so, poor play. But he knows we need stability.
Best way to get stability is to maintain the coaching staff, as much as possible. Barnhart can rest back and tell everyone he cannot remove Stoops because the cost is too high with the buyout.
Fans understand this and we even have complained about openly. Some still want him gone. But again Barnhart can just shrug his shoulders and say the cost, the cost, cost is to high.
All of this gives Stoops time and the opportunity to change the dynamic that is Kentucky football.
I should rephrase that. I didn't mind the extension. I minded the big buyout associated with it.
 

BlueVelvetFog

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BP has UL on the verge of the playoff and playing for a national championship.

We will never sniff that playoff or probably even the SEC East in my lifetime. Nothing baffling about it imo if a school is serious about winning football.
I don't care if UL faces Dallas in the Super Bowl this year. I'm still shocked UofL hired him. Just totally lost respect for Jurich on that one (and yes, I once respected him). Agree to disagree and things like that.
 

reflaine

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This is his third year at Otis. Was at western one year Also. And if you was a coach where would success come from quicker. A 12-1 bcs team or a 2-10 cellar dweller.
 

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complete dumpster fire that was Colorado football, ten times worse than U.K.
I knew when I clicked that this would be a really dumb post. When I got to this part you proved me correct. If you think that Is true you honestly have no business commenting about football.
 

Real Deal 2

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I knew when I clicked that this would be a really dumb post. When I got to this part you proved me correct. If you think that Is true you honestly have no business commenting about football.
You are the joke, Colorado was terrible or turrible as Barkley says. They have not upgrades in facilities until this year and they were awful. Colorado has big surrounding states to recruit to like UK with Ohio . Get a clue man.

This board may have the dumbest fanbase of all time. We were a major dumpster fire when Stoops took over. Bottom line is other coaches have turned their programs around in a quicker time frame and we still have not beaten a good team or a team that most would call a program changer.
 

Real Deal 2

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BP had been at Otis for four years now with no hint of any kind if problems. His wife has evidently forgiven him of his transgression and they are still together and their family is still together. He is is making big$$$$$ to do what TJ hired him to do and they are on the cusp of doing something great with no issues on his part...what kind of moral high ground have we set here?...maybe if MB , who is supposedly a devout Christian, was smart enough he could have worked the same deal in helping BP get his life squared away along with hiring a proven winner for the fb program...winner..winner

Funny thing. I heard on Radio interviews on 2 different stations, ESPN Mike and Mike, XM college. Weird but I did not hear about motorcycles or Falcons or girlfriends. I heard questions about playoff, Lamar Jackson, no mention of anything negative except Wakey gate and stolen play book.

It worked out like Jurich said, people will talk about it for 2 weeks and then it's about FB.
He has been proven right.

The reason I bring up these coaches originally is UK was desperate, we have been bad forever, mark of stupidity is to keep doing the same approach and settle for 6 wins a year. It was time to pull Cal out of your hat if you are UK and hire Leach, Petrino or whomever.
Auburn and LSU did not get involved or Miami or other power schools didn't have to because they have tradition and success. Jurich has out maneuvered Barnhart at every turn, they are great in BB, FB, Baseball, women's, expanding stadium, simply crushed UK in corporate sponsoring and donations. UK is lowering attendance and we are dicking around trying to beat AP to get to 6 wins. Time to quit the excuse making and win.
 
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Xception

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As we pray upon the alter of cackling pipes that is Petrino , let us give thanks for the hotrodedness mastermind and snatch hiring deity on the catpaw . Shoulda coulda woulda hire as we rewind the dvr of anger , what's this more td's in my general direction ? Coulda been me you us , dagger , it's him them they . Wife don't care but we do ? Understand none of it . :cry:
 
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Leach lovers dismiss why he was fired from TT after a successful run. Why would they fire the greatest coach in the history of fb.Why will nobody else touch the greatest offensive mind ever. I mean he put up points in the Big 12 and PAC 12. Nobody else can do that.
 

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Leach lovers dismiss why he was fired from TT after a successful run. Why would they fire the greatest coach in the history of fb.Why will nobody else touch the greatest offensive mind ever. I mean he put up points in the Big 12 and PAC 12. Nobody else can do that.

In all fairness the main story in the Leach saga at TT was found to be mostly made up by a disgruntled parent and player.

As far as bad stories go , we have a basketball coach that probably (unfairly) received as much or more negative press than a Leach or Petrino hire ever would.
 
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What does that have to do with no Power 5 school going after him in 2012?
Those schools missed an opportunity to hire a winning coach. I find it interesting that winning in bball is important enough that it's okay to take a chance on a coach that had coached teams that ultimately suffered ncaa penalties. Whereas, on the other hand, winning at Football is not considered to be quite as important.
 

bthaunert

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Those schools missed an opportunity to hire a winning coach. I find it interesting that winning in bball is important enough that it's okay to take a chance on a coach that had coached teams that ultimately suffered ncaa penalties. Whereas, on the other hand, winning at Football is not considered to be quite as important.
I can guarantee you that if Calipari had been caught doing what Petrino did 8 months before we hired a bball coach, he wouldn't be the coach. All I am pointing at is the timing. No one was going to touch him 8 months after the fact. If we would have had the opportunity 20 months after the fact and a school in between like UL did, then that is a different story.
 

Real Deal 2

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A little disappointing if you ask me. I would venture to say the guys all calling out Petrino and saying we are better than this and we would have never hired this wife cheater, etc. I would bet the house most of them probably voted for our President elect, he was caught on tape making disparaging comments to women etc married 3 times. Wasn't enough to keep him from being elected but by God cheat on your wife or have a mistress than can't coach our FB team. Come on

The point in all of this, excuses are done. 4th year, no more BS, no more trying to get bowl eligible in 11th week trying to beat an OVC school. I am a Stoops supporter, Go back and read for the 4 years, I have defended him and John Schlarman, too many people doing too many good things for us not to be better and more relevant. Just no excuses anymore, same bs needs to stop.
 

sluggercatfan

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It's one thing to do it 20 months after the Arkansas thing went down and he already coached a season elsewhere. It's another thing to hire him 8 months after the fact. I think that is what is getting lost here.
What makes you think that a year at wku made any difference?
 

WildcatofNati

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Heisman front runner , a legitimate shot at the playoff. I'm sure Otis and their fan base is broken hearted that UK fans have no respect for them. I'm sure if the roles were reversed that we as a UK fan base would care less how they felt. I know I sure wouldn't and would sure love to have the opportunity they have right now.
No legitimate shot at the playoff anymore.