#1 Hidden Valley lose their top two way starter; #2 Magna Vista possibly loses their QB whose thrown for over 2000 yds this year to a knee injury(MRI this week) not likely to play this week against Cave Spring:#3 Northside loses QB to a broken leg(best wishes on a speedy recovery) Sounds like things have just gotten very interesting in the west!!
3A West wide open
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Didn't hear about the Northside QB with a broken leg. The McGuire injury won't bother MV in round 1 IMO, but in the later rounds they'll need to have an arm to get those WRs the ball. I saw that Traveon Redd is the backup. He's a heck of an athlete, I'm sure he can sling it but I know he can't sling it like McGuire. With him at QB, I'd expect a ton of read option with him and Hairston running the ball a lot. With the trees MV has out wide though, just put it up and they'll go get it. I was so bummed that Liberty got such a tough draw, rematch with Brookville then if the seeds hold, Northside and Magna Vista to reach the state semi's which would likely be a trip to Lafayette. Whether its Liberty or Brookville that wins friday, thats going to be a tough road to make it to Lynchburg. I've got Lord Botetourt/Heritage winner in round 2 winning that side of the draw. HV has a really tough defense but without McDermott, they are down their best skill player who made a number of game changing plays this year, it'll be tough to overcome that past the first round. With the injuries though, you are right, this is as wide open a playoff bracket as I've ever seen. Any of the top 12 could reach the state semis. Going to be a very exciting couple of weeks.
Didn't hear about the Northside QB with a broken leg. The McGuire injury won't bother MV in round 1 IMO, but in the later rounds they'll need to have an arm to get those WRs the ball. I saw that Traveon Redd is the backup. He's a heck of an athlete, I'm sure he can sling it but I know he can't sling it like McGuire. With him at QB, I'd expect a ton of read option with him and Hairston running the ball a lot. With the trees MV has out wide though, just put it up and they'll go get it. I was so bummed that Liberty got such a tough draw, rematch with Brookville then if the seeds hold, Northside and Magna Vista to reach the state semi's which would likely be a trip to Lafayette. Whether its Liberty or Brookville that wins friday, thats going to be a tough road to make it to Lynchburg. I've got Lord Botetourt/Heritage winner in round 2 winning that side of the draw. HV has a really tough defense but without McDermott, they are down their best skill player who made a number of game changing plays this year, it'll be tough to overcome that past the first round. With the injuries though, you are right, this is as wide open a playoff bracket as I've ever seen. Any of the top 12 could reach the state semis. Going to be a very exciting couple of weeks.
The Vikings continue to have to overcome alot of adversity this year. They are prepared though as one time it was heavily debated that Tra Jackson would start at QB this year. Expect the offense to resemble last years a bit more with Tra being a True duel threat. It does take away that threat at wr but may open up the offense in other ways if someone else can step up and be a deep threat. I really hate it for Josh Hardister and I hope he gets well soon.
Noke, totally agree with you. NS has overcome a lot and must overcome more, but I think they are ready for the task. If I'm not mistaken, Tra's dad was a great QB for NS years ago. Furthermore, this isn't the first time he has been in a game at that position. I thought he did really well against LB a few games ago when Josh got leg cramps. He also played well against Rockbridge last Friday. The Blacksburg game should tell a lot, but I see Tra rising to the challenge. He doesn't have the arm and isn't quite as shifty as Dunnaville was last year, but has more straight line speed. If he gets a seem, he's gone! Go Vikings!!!
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One man, enjoyed your write up on the Lib/JF game. I'm sure that hanging close with a team like JF prepared your minutemen for the more elite squads they'll face in 3A west. That being said, the West is open for business and anyone's to take. Heck, I was talking with a HV coach who told me he was "very impressed" with Cave. He said he thought they'd play MV close. I kind of agree, but still think MV wins by two scores. LB is a very dangerous 12 seed IMO. They are slightly less one dimensional this year and are very physical. I can see them winning at least two games. NS loses a solid QB in Hardister and their best big play receiver with Jackson moving to QB. However, Jackson is tough and can fly if he gets loose. He can also throw better than many think. I look for NS to try and get Carter more involved as a big play wideout. Friday's game against Blacksburg will be very interesting from an offensive standpoint to say the least. Liberty and Brookville is a toss up, but I think Liberty takes it this time. They seem to be playing at a much higher level than earlier this season, while Brookville has leveled out. Monticello, Abingdon, and Heritage have all had their moments this season, but seem too inconsistent for me to pin them as options for Lynchburg. However, it also wouldn't surprise me if Monticello or Heritage squeeked by into a late round. Interesting times ahead! Thank the good Lord for highschool football!
One man, enjoyed your write up on the Lib/JF game. I'm sure that hanging close with a team like JF prepared your minutemen for the more elite squads they'll face in 3A west. That being said, the West is open for business and anyone's to take. Heck, I was talking with a HV coach who told me he was "very impressed" with Cave. He said he thought they'd play MV close. I kind of agree, but still think MV wins by two scores. LB is a very dangerous 12 seed IMO. They are slightly less one dimensional this year and are very physical. I can see them winning at least two games. NS loses a solid QB in Hardister and their best big play receiver with Jackson moving to QB. However, Jackson is tough and can fly if he gets loose. He can also throw better than many think. I look for NS to try and get Carter more involved as a big play wideout. Friday's game against Blacksburg will be very interesting from an offensive standpoint to say the least. Liberty and Brookville is a toss up, but I think Liberty takes it this time. They seem to be playing at a much higher level than earlier this season, while Brookville has leveled out. Monticello, Abingdon, and Heritage have all had their moments this season, but seem too inconsistent for me to pin them as options for Lynchburg. However, it also wouldn't surprise me if Monticello or Heritage squeeked by into a late round. Interesting times ahead! Thank the good Lord for highschool football!
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Yeah I always wondered what Carter's role was on offense. Any FBS level player is usually impact on both sides of the ball but rarely hear about Carter having big games at WR. With Jackson and Porterfield at WR though, Northside is able to keep Carter as mainly a defensive specialists which is what you want as a coach, less platooning but with his overall talent level, I'd expect his role to increase this week and we'll see how well he does. All he needs is a bit of confidence and he'll likely breakout, too much talent not too. Cross your fingers for my Minutemen, if they can get by Brookville which I really don't know if they will or not, I'll be in the Noke for round 2 and get to meet all you guys. Good Luck to your boys.
Yeah I always wondered what Carter's role was on offense. Any FBS level player is usually impact on both sides of the ball but rarely hear about Carter having big games at WR. With Jackson and Porterfield at WR though, Northside is able to keep Carter as mainly a defensive specialists which is what you want as a coach, less platooning but with his overall talent level, I'd expect his role to increase this week and we'll see how well he does. All he needs is a bit of confidence and he'll likely breakout, too much talent not too. Cross your fingers for my Minutemen, if they can get by Brookville which I really don't know if they will or not, I'll be in the Noke for round 2 and get to meet all you guys. Good Luck to your boys.
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NS will be fine. It won't be about Tra' at QB. It will be about how the team performs as a whole.
In my opinion it's not about losing someone, It's about how you have prepared to be without them. NS has plenty of experience with this this year.
NEXT MAN UP!!
I picked Liberty in the pool but it seems that Brookville and NS have been tied to each others belt loops for a few years now (since 2008) so it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to meet again.
Cave is a little like LB. Tough, smart and not an easy out. I picked MV because I think they have enough weapons to avoid the upset. Also, Cave has been very suspect in the 4th quarter the last 3 weeks. I would not be surprised if MV won by 30 or if Cave won by a FG.
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NS will be fine. It won't be about Tra' at QB. It will be about how the team performs as a whole.
In my opinion it's not about losing someone, It's about how you have prepared to be without them. NS has plenty of experience with this this year.
NEXT MAN UP!!
I picked Liberty in the pool but it seems that Brookville and NS have been tied to each others belt loops for a few years now (since 2008) so it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to meet again.
Cave is a little like LB. Tough, smart and not an easy out. I picked MV because I think they have enough weapons to avoid the upset. Also, Cave has been very suspect in the 4th quarter the last 3 weeks. I would not be surprised if MV won by 30 or if Cave won by a FG.
This post was edited on 11/11 3:28 PM by leftovers2005
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Don't underestimate Waynesboro. They may be 5-5, but they have just as much talent as anyone in 3A. Its just getting those kids to do what they need to do and the coaching. Thats not to say this is only year they have been like this, they always have a lot of talent but can never put it together. Waynesboro is like a small version of Richmond with it being a small city. Lots of bad things happen there (and I dont mean the team).
Don't underestimate Waynesboro. They may be 5-5, but they have just as much talent as anyone in 3A. Its just getting those kids to do what they need to do and the coaching. Thats not to say this is only year they have been like this, they always have a lot of talent but can never put it together. Waynesboro is like a small version of Richmond with it being a small city. Lots of bad things happen there (and I dont mean the team).
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Totally agree with you on preparation and the "team" concept. To have lost the talent they did this year to injury and continue to rise to the occaison are certainly hallmarks of a great team. Also, it seems that despite the physical loss no lack of leadership is to be found. Chance and Austin are right there with the others every week, boot and all. I'm sure Hardister will join them this week. Remarkable leadership from the players and coaches abound. On a side note, how awesome was that seeing the Slate kid score last Friday? Cool moment for sure. Looking forward to Friday!
Totally agree with you on preparation and the "team" concept. To have lost the talent they did this year to injury and continue to rise to the occaison are certainly hallmarks of a great team. Also, it seems that despite the physical loss no lack of leadership is to be found. Chance and Austin are right there with the others every week, boot and all. I'm sure Hardister will join them this week. Remarkable leadership from the players and coaches abound. On a side note, how awesome was that seeing the Slate kid score last Friday? Cool moment for sure. Looking forward to Friday!
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From what I know Chance and Austin have been going to all the practices also.
I thought Slate was going to get plastered when he headed to the sideline on that run but a nice block by the WR cleared the edge so he could head for the endzone.
Great move by the coaching staff to make that happen and Josh really deserved to get that carry after the 4 year years he put in as team manager.
From what I know Chance and Austin have been going to all the practices also.
I thought Slate was going to get plastered when he headed to the sideline on that run but a nice block by the WR cleared the edge so he could head for the endzone.
Great move by the coaching staff to make that happen and Josh really deserved to get that carry after the 4 year years he put in as team manager.
I watched them against Wilson
I know it was the first game of the season but they were dominated. Wilson is legit, they could compete in 3A for sure but outside of the QB and the WR for Waynesboro, I wouldn't say they have as much talent as anyone in 3A. They are 5-5 and the Valley was as bad as i've ever seen it. They have some talent, they should at least give HV a good game, could possibly pull the upset if chips fall the right way but I'd bet on HV.
As far as your last couple sentences, I'd beg to differ. I live in Waynesboro, it is not close to a small version of Richmond. Some of these kids here may think Waynesboro is tough or city but they just haven't seen the rest of the world. Crime and drugs are everywhere, I've lived in Newport News, Harrisonburg, Radford, Blacksburg and now here. Waynesboro is like Radford, very small city that I wouldn't consider a "city", their isn't even a mall here. Are their low income families here, yes but the quality of everyday life in Waynesboro is a lot brighter than in certain areas of Richmond or Newport News. My sister lives in Richmond and directs a daycare down the street from Gilpin Court, google that place and you'll understand the difference.
I know it was the first game of the season but they were dominated. Wilson is legit, they could compete in 3A for sure but outside of the QB and the WR for Waynesboro, I wouldn't say they have as much talent as anyone in 3A. They are 5-5 and the Valley was as bad as i've ever seen it. They have some talent, they should at least give HV a good game, could possibly pull the upset if chips fall the right way but I'd bet on HV.
As far as your last couple sentences, I'd beg to differ. I live in Waynesboro, it is not close to a small version of Richmond. Some of these kids here may think Waynesboro is tough or city but they just haven't seen the rest of the world. Crime and drugs are everywhere, I've lived in Newport News, Harrisonburg, Radford, Blacksburg and now here. Waynesboro is like Radford, very small city that I wouldn't consider a "city", their isn't even a mall here. Are their low income families here, yes but the quality of everyday life in Waynesboro is a lot brighter than in certain areas of Richmond or Newport News. My sister lives in Richmond and directs a daycare down the street from Gilpin Court, google that place and you'll understand the difference.
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With smaller version means that its not as big and prevalent. Yes there is crime and drugs everywhere, there is also lots of other things that go on there that you may not know about even by living there. These are things that go back years, and you may not have been there long to know these things. Not having a mall doesn't mean anything in that context. But the thing I will say is that things have gotten better and I think will continue to do so. None of what I was saying was to say anything bad about Waynesboro or even close, I am proud of how the city has grown and especially how the team has. But they lose even more talent and lots of it every year to not wanting to play. In closing, no I don't think Waynesboro is as bad as Richmond, not even close, but it has some similarities.
Going off of the 1st game really isnt a fair assessment. I also said they just cant seem to put it all together, so the results may not show. Last year they gave Riverheads all they wanted, this year they are 5-5, with all 5 loses coming to playoff teams. Those teams records are: 10-0, 9-1, 8-2, 8-2, and 6-4.
With smaller version means that its not as big and prevalent. Yes there is crime and drugs everywhere, there is also lots of other things that go on there that you may not know about even by living there. These are things that go back years, and you may not have been there long to know these things. Not having a mall doesn't mean anything in that context. But the thing I will say is that things have gotten better and I think will continue to do so. None of what I was saying was to say anything bad about Waynesboro or even close, I am proud of how the city has grown and especially how the team has. But they lose even more talent and lots of it every year to not wanting to play. In closing, no I don't think Waynesboro is as bad as Richmond, not even close, but it has some similarities.
Going off of the 1st game really isnt a fair assessment. I also said they just cant seem to put it all together, so the results may not show. Last year they gave Riverheads all they wanted, this year they are 5-5, with all 5 loses coming to playoff teams. Those teams records are: 10-0, 9-1, 8-2, 8-2, and 6-4.
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I will say they have lost to some very good teams. I've heard horror stories of athletic teams that could or would have been in Waynesboro. I know they had some really good basketball teams not long ago which tells you that talent is there. I saw them last year in a jamboree and I will say they improved a lot from last year to this year and they have as much heart as any team I've watched. They fielded a small team both numbers and size wise and were getting dominated both times I saw them but they continued to fight back and make plays. Baker comes back next year, he may very well be the best player in Valley next year. My one game assessment isn't a fair way to judge but even in the loss you can still see what kind of players a team has. The Giants have some players but I'm just saying I've seen a lot of 3A football the past few years and that group at Waynesboro is right about where their talent level is. They are an average team. I thought they'd win 7 games this year and if they had a few bounces go their way, they would have but again the Valley was weak this year so 5-5 is just that, average. I will agree with you that Waynesboro is top 3 in terms of road teams that could pull the round 1 upset. I'd say Brookville, Lord Botetourt and Waynesboro are the only three upsets that I could see this week. Outside of LB, I picked chalk in my pick 'em. How's the future looking over at Draft, i know it was a tough year this year but traditionally the Cougars are a solid program.
I will say they have lost to some very good teams. I've heard horror stories of athletic teams that could or would have been in Waynesboro. I know they had some really good basketball teams not long ago which tells you that talent is there. I saw them last year in a jamboree and I will say they improved a lot from last year to this year and they have as much heart as any team I've watched. They fielded a small team both numbers and size wise and were getting dominated both times I saw them but they continued to fight back and make plays. Baker comes back next year, he may very well be the best player in Valley next year. My one game assessment isn't a fair way to judge but even in the loss you can still see what kind of players a team has. The Giants have some players but I'm just saying I've seen a lot of 3A football the past few years and that group at Waynesboro is right about where their talent level is. They are an average team. I thought they'd win 7 games this year and if they had a few bounces go their way, they would have but again the Valley was weak this year so 5-5 is just that, average. I will agree with you that Waynesboro is top 3 in terms of road teams that could pull the round 1 upset. I'd say Brookville, Lord Botetourt and Waynesboro are the only three upsets that I could see this week. Outside of LB, I picked chalk in my pick 'em. How's the future looking over at Draft, i know it was a tough year this year but traditionally the Cougars are a solid program.
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One of those teams they lost to was Broadway, and as I have said on some other posts, they really could've won that game... Came down to a missed 2 point conversion in OT. The 6-4 team they lost to was RE Lee, and I honestly cannot remember the last time Waynesboro beat Lee, anybody know? Maybe when the Blair boy played?
I think something that is hurting Waynesboro this year is their lack of size. They probably had the most team speed in the Valley District this year. They looked faster than RE Lee when I saw the two in action, but Lee isn't loaded with the same talent or speed this year that they are known for having.
As for the area of Waynesboro, it has seen some positive effects since the Target shopping center went up. Waynesboro used to be known as the armpit of the Staunton-Augusta-Waynesboro area, and I wish I could take credit for coming up with the term but I can't. Since Target came to town, a lot of nice houses and neighborhoods have popped up. People that work at the hospital in Fishersville or work over the mountain in Charlottesville feel safer living in the 'boro now. With that being said, there are still areas that fit what Gunz was trying to say, and I know a lot of parents who try to get their kids out of that school system by the time they get to Kate Collins Middle School. I've known people that have sent their kids Lee, Wilson, and Stuarts Draft just so they could get their kids out of the Waynesboro school system. Waynesboro used to be known for the plant in the area, and for drugs. It just seemed like a filthy place, with a "methed out" population... I think the drug problem is still probably the worst in the area, but the city has made a lot of progress over the past 10ish years, and you can definitely see positive growth.
One of those teams they lost to was Broadway, and as I have said on some other posts, they really could've won that game... Came down to a missed 2 point conversion in OT. The 6-4 team they lost to was RE Lee, and I honestly cannot remember the last time Waynesboro beat Lee, anybody know? Maybe when the Blair boy played?
I think something that is hurting Waynesboro this year is their lack of size. They probably had the most team speed in the Valley District this year. They looked faster than RE Lee when I saw the two in action, but Lee isn't loaded with the same talent or speed this year that they are known for having.
As for the area of Waynesboro, it has seen some positive effects since the Target shopping center went up. Waynesboro used to be known as the armpit of the Staunton-Augusta-Waynesboro area, and I wish I could take credit for coming up with the term but I can't. Since Target came to town, a lot of nice houses and neighborhoods have popped up. People that work at the hospital in Fishersville or work over the mountain in Charlottesville feel safer living in the 'boro now. With that being said, there are still areas that fit what Gunz was trying to say, and I know a lot of parents who try to get their kids out of that school system by the time they get to Kate Collins Middle School. I've known people that have sent their kids Lee, Wilson, and Stuarts Draft just so they could get their kids out of the Waynesboro school system. Waynesboro used to be known for the plant in the area, and for drugs. It just seemed like a filthy place, with a "methed out" population... I think the drug problem is still probably the worst in the area, but the city has made a lot of progress over the past 10ish years, and you can definitely see positive growth.
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Ive seen this over 15 or so years with Waynesboro from Little League up and have said the same thing. They have a lot of talent but havent been able to do anything with it, and there is so much more talent in the halls and on the street, thats what I was meaning.
For SD, they didn't have a ton of seniors playing and some got hurt along the way so they may be alright, especially with the move down, but will have to wait and see
Ive seen this over 15 or so years with Waynesboro from Little League up and have said the same thing. They have a lot of talent but havent been able to do anything with it, and there is so much more talent in the halls and on the street, thats what I was meaning.
For SD, they didn't have a ton of seniors playing and some got hurt along the way so they may be alright, especially with the move down, but will have to wait and see