3pt Shooting

[PatrickYates]

Why are you punishing Tre in your mind, because the coach is drawing up good effective plays to get lottery picks open. Your argument is silly and you’ve provided no proof whatsoever to determine Tre as an average half court floor general. None. Just three long, insufferable posts.

These aren't drawn up plays. Zion and RJ get the ball in routine positions on the court. The overwhelming majority of players couldn't score the ball in those situations without the type of movement or dribbling which take away an assist. That Zion and (to a lesser extent) RJ can score from those positions isn't a testimony to Tre.
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Put it this way, RJ and Zion score in ways that accrue assists to Tre from certain positioning on the court. Jav and Bolden couldn't score from those same positions. Jack and AOC couldn't score from those positions. Cam can't score from those positions. Tatum and Battier might not have been able to score from those positions, at least, not in ways that would result in an assist to the passer.
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A PG gets an assist when he dribbles down the court, unguarded, and then makes a zero pressure pass to a three point shooter who takes a long 3 that is lightly guarded. That is an assist, the same as a PG who dribbles through tough D to dish it in a tight window to a cutter who hits a point black shot after the D collapses on the PG. On the 3, the PG did essentially nothing to create the made shot. Conversely, on the 2, the PG did essentially everything to create the made shot. Both are reported as assists in the box score.
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Tre making a routine pass to a guy that can score from a place no one else can isn't about Tre. JJ made threes from insane distances in college. Many of his assisted 3s had nothing to do with the PG's efforts. It was all him. Tre is in a similar situation with Zion and RJ. He makes a simple pass, and then they make a spectacular move or shot. Tre did very little, but he gets a full assist. I mean, props to him for making the simple pass, but it doesn't take a Bobby Hurley to make that pass.

 

[dukehokie]

These aren't drawn up plays. Zion and RJ get the ball in routine positions on the court. The overwhelming majority of players couldn't score the ball in those situations without the type of movement or dribbling which take away an assist. That Zion and (to a lesser extent) RJ can score from those positions isn't a testimony to Tre.
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Put it this way, RJ and Zion score in ways that accrue assists to Tre from certain positioning on the court. Jav and Bolden couldn't score from those same positions. Jack and AOC couldn't score from those positions. Cam can't score from those positions. Tatum and Battier might not have been able to score from those positions, at least, not in ways that would result in an assist to the passer.
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A PG gets an assist when he dribbles down the court, unguarded, and then makes a zero pressure pass to a three point shooter who takes a long 3 that is lightly guarded. That is an assist, the same as a PG who dribbles through tough D to dish it in a tight window to a cutter who hits a point black shot after the D collapses on the PG. On the 3, the PG did essentially nothing to create the made shot. Conversely, on the 2, the PG did essentially everything to create the made shot. Both are reported as assists in the box score.
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Tre making a routine pass to a guy that can score from a place no one else can isn't about Tre. JJ made threes from insane distances in college. Many of his assisted 3s had nothing to do with the PG's efforts. It was all him. Tre is in a similar situation with Zion and RJ. He makes a simple pass, and then they make a spectacular move or shot. Tre did very little, but he gets a full assist. I mean, props to him for making the simple pass, but it doesn't take a Bobby Hurley to make that pass.

If that’s your only judgement, then clearly there’s no discussion here. Your mind is made up. Tre is average. That’s your belief. You’re of about a handful of people who believe that, but this is America. You can think what you want no matter how silly. It’s pretty clear Tre is more than what you’re saying, but again, you’ve run out of things to complain about, so creativity kudos to you.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

He played a 3 game stretch last season when Jav an Ques were out. He was efficient in the shots he got. He also played good defense. I personally don’t think he’d hurt us. Just my opinion.

You know now that you mention it, I remember us blowing out someone like the first ACC match of the year and him coming in and playing some minutes. He hit a couple 3’s and like 2 or 3 blocks, something like that. Games seem to melt together over the years unless it’s noteworthy. Can’t think of who that ACC opponent was though

 

[dukehokie]

You know now that you mention it, I remember us blowing out someone like the first ACC match of the year and him coming in and playing some minutes. He hit a couple 3’s and like 2 or 3 blocks, something like that. Games seem to melt together over the years unless it’s noteworthy. Can’t think of who that ACC opponent was though

He played during meaningful minutes against Pitt. Went 3/5 from deep. Acted as the 6th man that night.

 

[Thinkpositivepc2]

At this point, someone just needs to step up and be the third scorer and I don't care who it is..

Take a look at the box score from last night and tell me it is not the most atrocious thing you have ever seen.

Team Total-72 points

RJ-33 Points
Cam- 27 Points
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Javin-6 points 3/3 shooting
Tre Jones- 3 points 1/11 Shooting
Jack White- 2 points 0/5 Shooting
AOC- 1 points 0/4 shooting
Bolden- 0 points 0/1 shooting
Goldwire- 0 points 0/3 shooting

4/27 shooting from players that were thrown into the fire when Zion went out. That is pathetic..

 

[dukiejay]

I actually agree here with Patrick, that ultimately, we must make more three's. I don't mean shoot 30 per game, but the reality is that 18 to 24 is probably the minimum, and you want to be making seven to 10. We can do it sometimes, but it hasn't been the norm.

Everyone here knew that shooting could be problematic this season. The hope was that AOC would take the next step, Cam would exceed his (shooting) expectations, and that the rumors of RJ and Tre making improvements were true. Right now, I'd say it's maybe only true of RJ. He's better than he was last year, but he's still low 30s. I think if AOC and Cam were tinkering around 40, we'd be having a lot less conversations (obviously) about our jump shooting.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

With Zion: I'm honestly not concerned about our 3 pt shooting. It would take a terrible 2-24 type 3 pt shooting night for us to go down on a neutral floor, I truly believe that. We are gonna be so tough to knock out on a neutral floor, and for some reason our guys have shot better ALL YEAR on the road or a neutral court.
I'm more concerned in a tournament setting about going 12-24 from the FT line or something like that. Remember.....we rebound A TON of our missed 3's.

Without Zion: Yeah, we need to hit three's to win. And if Jack is gonna shoot 0%, and Alex struggles too, we are in big trouble.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

These aren't drawn up plays. Zion and RJ get the ball in routine positions on the court. The overwhelming majority of players couldn't score the ball in those situations without the type of movement or dribbling which take away an assist. That Zion and (to a lesser extent) RJ can score from those positions isn't a testimony to Tre.
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Put it this way, RJ and Zion score in ways that accrue assists to Tre from certain positioning on the court. Jav and Bolden couldn't score from those same positions. Jack and AOC couldn't score from those positions. Cam can't score from those positions. Tatum and Battier might not have been able to score from those positions, at least, not in ways that would result in an assist to the passer.
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A PG gets an assist when he dribbles down the court, unguarded, and then makes a zero pressure pass to a three point shooter who takes a long 3 that is lightly guarded. That is an assist, the same as a PG who dribbles through tough D to dish it in a tight window to a cutter who hits a point black shot after the D collapses on the PG. On the 3, the PG did essentially nothing to create the made shot. Conversely, on the 2, the PG did essentially everything to create the made shot. Both are reported as assists in the box score.
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Tre making a routine pass to a guy that can score from a place no one else can isn't about Tre. JJ made threes from insane distances in college. Many of his assisted 3s had nothing to do with the PG's efforts. It was all him. Tre is in a similar situation with Zion and RJ. He makes a simple pass, and then they make a spectacular move or shot. Tre did very little, but he gets a full assist. I mean, props to him for making the simple pass, but it doesn't take a Bobby Hurley to make that pass.

So by your logic, John Stockton was an average playmaker because an easy pass to Hornacek or The Mailman allowed him to lead the league in assists. You mention Bobby - shouldn’t having guys like Christian and Grant make it simple? Dude... You don’t have to be Jason Williams bouncing passes off your elbow for assists to matter.

Ball handling, court vision and decision making are the top 3 things that matter in regards to a true playmaker. Tre is about as efficient as they come in that aspect. Although we don’t convert as we should, you know why someone 3’s are wide open? Tre sees the space given, slightly penetrates to draw the defender further away and then kicks. Our positionless offense really takes keys away from him running the show. Our offense doesn’t want him penetrating so really, other than rare instances when he steps in a little to draw a defender, that part of his game is virtually unseen. When it is in his hands and there’s a cut, the pass may look simple but with the way teams pack the line against us his precision is key in avoiding defending hands.

RJ and Zion’s talent is out of his control. Sure, their basket attacking ability in transition doesn’t punish Tre but his timing and pass choice is flawless. That full speed bounce pass he sneaks between 2 defenders to Zion and RJ on the run isn’t as easy as it looks. Honestly as simple as that seems, that IQ and precision to bounce it to him is what separates him as a playmaker.

Everyone likes the highlight reel stuff and I get it — It’s exciting. But especially in this new era where raw talent sometimes tends to be ahead of fundamentals, I personally think it’s awesome to see the basics done so efficiently. I guess you call that “Tim Duncan Basketball.” Lol

He played during meaningful minutes against Pitt. Went 3/5 from deep. Acted as the 6th man that night.

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I do remember that game... On the road, right? Because I specifically remember after he hit a few threes that it’s too bad the game wasn’t at Cameron because the roof would fly off. Crazies love the when the bench warmers light it up.