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WVUALLEN

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Trump is not the one who divided this country, the spiraling downward started under Obama. He started the hate and war on police, he caused division and increased racism and he is still at it with his hate filled rhetoric. He hates this country and it shows every time he talks. Instead of talking hate he could be doing so much good to stop these riots and violence but instead he encourages it. Nobody should be saying anything against Trump with the things Obama and Biden have done against our country. Obama should be in jail for treason.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Trump is not the one who divided this country, the spiraling downward started under Obama. He started the hate and war on police, he caused division and increased racism and he is still at it with his hate filled rhetoric. He hates this country and it shows every time he talks. Instead of talking hate he could be doing so much good to stop these riots and violence but instead he encourages it. Nobody should be saying anything against Trump with the things Obama and Biden have done against our country. Obama should be in jail for treason.
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Obama should go to jail for marrying that ugly *** thing!
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Trump is not the one who divided this country, the spiraling downward started under Obama. He started the hate and war on police, he caused division and increased racism and he is still at it with his hate filled rhetoric. He hates this country and it shows every time he talks. Instead of talking hate he could be doing so much good to stop these riots and violence but instead he encourages it. Nobody should be saying anything against Trump with the things Obama and Biden have done against our country. Obama should be in jail for treason.
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Ok. Under Obama we had several shooting incidents of minorities. How many of the "protests" were this violent and lasted this long? NONE.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Ok. Under Obama we had several shooting incidents of minorities. How many of the "protests" were this violent and lasted this long? NONE.
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Michael Brown went on how long? Does Portland has anything to do with Trump? Seattle? I don't the protesters know why they do what they do any more.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Ok. Under Obama we had several shooting incidents of minorities. How many of the "protests" were this violent and lasted this long? NONE.
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And that is because? Perhaps you liberals should stop with the violence now then.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Ok. Under Obama we had several shooting incidents of minorities. How many of the "protests" were this violent and lasted this long? NONE.
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They were the first protests. They found out what they could get away with and pushed it further. Also they have had time (and money) to organize. Also, on another note, the nights after Trump was elected we saw protests. Which side do you think those protestors were on?
 
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I think the religion of party affiliation is the root cause. I think that started under Clinton. Whatever else you think of him, he was good at defusing that. It smoldered under W, and it really flourished under Obama. I think Obama did a bad job of defusing it, and he's to blame for that. I think Trump has gone a step beyond that and is amplifying it. Do I think Biden would fix the problem? I can't say. Historically he reached across the aisle, but that was a different political climate.

I see a lot of folks on here who fall into the party religion category in my opinion, and that's on both sides. In my opinion, this doesn't improve until both extremes realize that we are all on the same team. We may disagree about exactly how to move America forward, but we all have that as the goal. And we can't elect people who can't or won't work across the aisle. The politics of needing a super majority to get anything accomplished is a plan for failure.

That's my synopsis of the problem based on my observations. Feel free to disagree.
 
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mule_eer said:
I think the religion of party affiliation is the root cause. I think that started under Clinton. Whatever else you think of him, he was good at defusing that. It smoldered under W, and it really flourished under Obama. I think Obama did a bad job of defusing it, and he's to blame for that. I think Trump has gone a step beyond that and is amplifying it. Do I think Biden would fix the problem? I can't say. Historically he reached across the aisle, but that was a different political climate.

I see a lot of folks on here who fall into the party religion category in my opinion, and that's on both sides. In my opinion, this doesn't improve until both extremes realize that we are all on the same team. We may disagree about exactly how to move America forward, but we all have that as the goal. And we can't elect people who can't or won't work across the aisle. The politics of needing a super majority to get anything accomplished is a plan for failure.

That's my synopsis of the problem based on my observations. Feel free to disagree.
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I agree that that’s the problem, but I don’t see the middle ground to be gained right now. I don’t want any concessions made to the radical left. If the moderate center could take back the Democratic Party, I’d be all for it. As long as the progressive lunatics are running the party, anchors need be thrown out and they need to be stonewalled. There is nothing they’re proposing that “I’m aware of” that I agree with right now. Or would horse trade on a this for that. What we’d have to give up in the horse trade would be too radical.
 
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I agree that that’s the problem, but I don’t see the middle ground to be gained right now. I don’t want any concessions made to the radical left. If the moderate center could take back the Democratic Party, I’d be all for it. As long as the progressive lunatics are running the party, anchors need be thrown out and they need to be stonewalled. There is nothing they’re proposing that “I’m aware of” that I agree with right now. Or would horse trade on a this for that. What we’d have to give up in the horse trade would be too radical.
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The 2018 blue wave was mostly moderate dems. Unfortunately the crazies (both sides) are the most vocal. The moderates of both parties need to get together to make things work, and that means the leadership needs to be moderate as well.

This also goes back to the fact that words matter, especially word choices. People can disagree without antagonizing. Leadership on both sides of the aisle don't do a good job of that.
 
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mule_eer said:
The 2018 blue wave was mostly moderate dems. Unfortunately the crazies (both sides) are the most vocal. The moderates of both parties need to get together to make things work, and that means the leadership needs to be moderate as well.

This also goes back to the fact that words matter, especially word choices. People can disagree without antagonizing. Leadership on both sides of the aisle don't do a good job of that.
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it's simpler than that...the old...let's meet in the middle...has killed any thought of ever "achieving". middle ground. For the left, the extreme is pure socialism...for the right...I truly can't tell you...it's not pure capitalism...but it's something. The middle is not where we need to end up...it's what best for America...regardless of where it lands on a political sliding scale.

Racism is now a "real" topic and will linger well past the election. The genie is out of the bottle...it will take another "singular" issue to get us back together.
 
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mule_eer said:
The 2018 blue wave was mostly moderate dems. Unfortunately the crazies (both sides) are the most vocal. The moderates of both parties need to get together to make things work, and that means the leadership needs to be moderate as well.

This also goes back to the fact that words matter, especially word choices. People can disagree without antagonizing. Leadership on both sides of the aisle don't do a good job of that.
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Wrong on the bold part. It was progressives and far left gaining more ground. All you have to do look at how many popular votes Sanders, Warren, and other far left progressives got. In 4 to 8 years they will have taken over the Democrat Party completely.
 
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Isn't it obvious that much of the rioting is a coordinated effort to create discord so Trump can be blamed for it?
It's occurring in Democrat controlled cities with the approval of the leadership of those cities.

It's true that Obama had the opportunity to help us overcome the division in the country. That hope is why he got elected. His words stoked the ugly emotions of envy and victimhood. If his message was consistent with Americanism and individual responsibility, we would be in a different place.

Unfortunately, he's a Marxist. Some of us knew but he fooled too many...twice.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Trump is not the one who divided this country, the spiraling downward started under Obama. He started the hate and war on police, he caused division and increased racism and he is still at it with his hate filled rhetoric. He hates this country and it shows every time he talks. Instead of talking hate he could be doing so much good to stop these riots and violence but instead he encourages it. Nobody should be saying anything against Trump with the things Obama and Biden have done against our country. Obama should be in jail for treason.
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Are your hood and robe pressed for your next meeting?
 
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One of the more outrageous lies out of Biden’s mouth in the debate was that Antifa is not a group but it is an idea or a philosophy.
Yet they keep asking Trump to repeatedly denounce the Proud Boys.
 
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Split the country into two separate countries and build a wall between the two. The left can have the left side and the right can have the right side. That, or a civil war, are the only two options, barring a miracle from God.
 
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phillya said:
One of the more outrageous lies out of Biden’s mouth in the debate was that Antifa is not a group but it is an idea or a philosophy.
Yet they keep asking Trump to repeatedly denounce the Proud Boys.
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No one in the media has ever asked Biden to denounce Antifa or BLM. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Baby killing Chinese Communists all endorse Biden and want him to win. Has he ever renounced their endorsements? Has the media ever asked him that? Have they ever asked him why he opposed busing in the 70's to integrate segregated schools, or why he celebrated segregationists like Herman Tallmadge, George Eastland or Robert Byrd who was a member of the KKK?

Ans: No.
 
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Some of the same people that blast what BLM and Antifa are doing (looting, violence) also defended the Confederate flag and say "it's just a flag", although it represented people who supported slavery and secession and war.

And has Trump denounced the Confederates?
 
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oceantide83 said:
Split the country into two separate countries and build a wall between the two. The left can have the left side and the right can have the right side. That, or a civil war, are the only two options, barring a miracle from God.
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I ain't moving. Come make me. Traitor.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Some of the same people that blast what BLM and Antifa are doing (looting, violence) also defended the Confederate flag and say "it's just a flag", although it represented people who supported slavery and secession and war.

And has Trump denounced the Confederates?
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Make a list of all the things he needs to condemn, again.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Make a list of all the things he needs to condemn, again.
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You are a smart man. I think. Tell me again, Trump asks "who do you want me....give me a name". Wallace says "Proud Boys".........and for a person who said he had no idea about them, he doesn't ask for background information and begins to do a quasi condemn statement.........you didn't find that interesting?
 
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mule_eer said:
The 2018 blue wave was mostly moderate dems. Unfortunately the crazies (both sides) are the most vocal. The moderates of both parties need to get together to make things work, and that means the leadership needs to be moderate as well.

This also goes back to the fact that words matter, especially word choices. People can disagree without antagonizing. Leadership on both sides of the aisle don't do a good job of that.
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Moderates don't vote to impeach the president on complete baseless claims. Moderates don't vote with AOC on virtually every issue. Moderates don't vote against workers out of work because democrats won't let them go back to work.

In my view you are the most dangerous person on this board, at least the commies on this board are willing to stand up for what they believe. You think you are smarter than anyone else because you are 'moderate" wait until they come for you and your family lets see how "moderate" you are then.
 
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mule_eer said:
I think the religion of party affiliation is the root cause. I think that started under Clinton. Whatever else you think of him, he was good at defusing that. It smoldered under W, and it really flourished under Obama. I think Obama did a bad job of defusing it, and he's to blame for that. I think Trump has gone a step beyond that and is amplifying it. Do I think Biden would fix the problem? I can't say. Historically he reached across the aisle, but that was a different political climate.

I see a lot of folks on here who fall into the party religion category in my opinion, and that's on both sides. In my opinion, this doesn't improve until both extremes realize that we are all on the same team. We may disagree about exactly how to move America forward, but we all have that as the goal. And we can't elect people who can't or won't work across the aisle. The politics of needing a super majority to get anything accomplished is a plan for failure.

That's my synopsis of the problem based on my observations. Feel free to disagree.
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I don't think Clinton diffused it, I think he fed it. The brand of politics the he and Carville brought to DC radically changed the landscape, and it's never changed back since.

It is a real possibility that we will see Democrats change the rules in the Senate should they retake it, and take the WH. I think we'll see an end to the 60 vote cloture rules and the Senate will become nothing more than a rubber stamp for any radical policy initiative that a party controlling the 3 branches wants. I think we will see them want to expand the courts if Trump gets his SCOTUS pick in before Jan, and I think we'll see them push for DC statehood.

It's no wonder Biden couldn't simply answer the question in the debates about stacking the courts. It's their plan, and it's more dangerous than 4 more years of Trump.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
You are a smart man. I think. Tell me again, Trump asks "who do you want me....give me a name". Wallace says "Proud Boys".........and for a person who said he had no idea about them, he doesn't ask for background information and begins to do a quasi condemn statement.........you didn't find that interesting?
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I think the whole notion of Trump being a racist is nonsense. I think it’s an effort for the left to disenfranchise those who are racist from Trump. No different than what Trump was doing to Biden about Antifa. Shame that Wallace got in on it as well. Trump has disavowed racism at every turn, even going back to that Charlottesville lie, Biden told on stage. People are ignorant and believe what they’re told. Say it enough, as the left does, and it’s believed to be fact, in spite of more policy actions benefitting black communities than at any time since emancipation.
 
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