A few facts and one concern

[mcoch5216]

Positive Facts
1. Recruiting is at the highest level ever-we are actually competing with the SEC schools-and landing some
all while even not going to a bowl yet
2. Building a great base with KY kids starting to stay home and play
3. Stoops is a known name in college football
4. He got Marrow here and KEPT him, with Michigan in pursuit
5. He is always classy and gives respect to all teams and takes the blame for everything, represents KY well
6. Stoops is a known national champion DC (not HC I know)

With a few exceptions, Ky has been a loser in football for over 50 years
My concern: Stoops inherited a dumpster fire. If, in 3 years, we won't accept anything but winning and going to a bowl game, what "good" coach will WANT to come here under the same win instantly pressure? I think we need to be careful what we wish for. I understand the "I'm done because we're still losing" attitude-they have broken my heart for 40+ years. We are long time sufferers, but Stoops has only been here 3 years. I firmly believe he needs 4-6 years to develop a new identity for this football team. I just hope we don't let our long losing history be the reason for his short tenure.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

He was the DB coach at Miami when they won a championship. He left FSU the year before they won a championship. It was his guys that won it but he wasn't there for it

 

[mcoch5216]

He was the DB coach at Miami when they won a championship. He left FSU the year before they won a championship. It was his guys that won it but he wasn't there for it

Yea, you are right. I just meant that he came from success.

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

Positive Facts
1. Recruiting is at the highest level ever-we are actually competing with the SEC schools-and landing some
all while even not going to a bowl yet
2. Building a great base with KY kids starting to stay home and play
3. Stoops is a known name in college football
4. He got Marrow here and KEPT him, with Michigan in pursuit
5. He is always classy and gives respect to all teams and takes the blame for everything, represents KY well
6. Stoops is a known national champion DC (not HC I know)

With a few exceptions, Ky has been a loser in football for over 50 years
My concern: Stoops inherited a dumpster fire. If, in 3 years, we won't accept anything but winning and going to a bowl game, what "good" coach will WANT to come here under the same win instantly pressure? I think we need to be careful what we wish for. I understand the "I'm done because we're still losing" attitude-they have broken my heart for 40+ years. We are long time sufferers, but Stoops has only been here 3 years. I firmly believe he needs 4-6 years to develop a new identity for this football team. I just hope we don't let our long losing history be the reason for his short tenure.

3 years in and people expecting UK to not get their asses kicked by the worst team in the SEC is not "win instantly" pressure.

Make no mistake, his very own losing history will be the cause of his ultimate demise. UK is perhaps the friendliest big 5 conference job for losing coaches.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

3 years in and people expecting UK to not get their asses kicked by the worst team in the SEC is not "win instantly" pressure.

Make no mistake, his very own losing history will be the cause of his ultimate demise. UK is perhaps the friendliest big 5 conference job for losing coaches.

I've often said UK is the best P5 job in the country - especially now that the SECE is so weak.

 

[mcoch5216]

3 years in and people expecting UK to not get their asses kicked by the worst team in the SEC is not "win instantly" pressure.

Make no mistake, his very own losing history will be the cause of his ultimate demise. UK is perhaps the friendliest big 5 conference job for losing coaches.

That's exactly what I want him to have. HIS losing history (or maybe success), but not after 3 years when there are tremendous strides in recruiting SEC caliber players. I just want him to have a decent amount of time to determine it fairly.

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

That's exactly what I want him to have. HIS losing history (or maybe success), but not after 3 years when there are tremendous strides in recruiting SEC caliber players. I just want him to have a decent amount of time to determine it fairly.

Him recruiting "SEC caliber players" means little when those guys don't actually end up performing like SEC caliber players once he gets them on campus.

His recruiting is the only feather in his cap right now. He's put out 3 teams thus far and UK looks atrocious 36 games into his tenure.

UK's history is constructed via a collection of failures. Being asked to accept Stoops' sucking simply because we've sucked a lot in the past seems like the opposite of the path to being a program that isn't a joke.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Him recruiting "SEC caliber players" means little when those guys don't actually end up performing like SEC caliber players once he gets them on campus.

His recruiting is the only feather in his cap right now. He's put out 3 teams thus far and UK looks atrocious 36 games into his tenure.

UK's history is constructed via a collection of failures. Being asked to accept Stoops' sucking simply because we've sucked a lot in the past seems like the opposite of the path to being a program that isn't a joke.

Huh? Come again this time in a bit more concise dialogue. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[kb22stang]

I've often said UK is the best P5 job in the country - especially now that the SECE is so weak.

If you've ever said that then you're a moron

 

[StoopRaid7]

I wish he start recruiting harder in GA and FL the southeast in general. Yeah Ohio is a good football state but I rather have some SEC country kids... were like Cincinnati South with all these Ohio Kids.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

If you've ever said that then you're a moron

So you couldn't come up with anything to dispute my post so you resorted to name calling. Speaks volumes of how much you know about it.

For starters the job pays well. UK plays in a league that provides it maximum exposure and a schedule that is taylor made for bowl eligibility every year (yes, the SECE is that weak). It has a fan base full of people like you who only view it as a reason to get to campus before basketball season starts and will defend it with every excuse in the book no matter how bad it gets. And lest I forget, what other school has given a football coach a sweetheart extension BEFORE he's racked up his first signature win?

 

[Tedington]

3 years in and people expecting UK to not get their asses kicked by the worst team in the SEC is not "win instantly" pressure.

Actually, UK "IS" the worst team in the SEC
Make no mistake, his very own losing history will be the cause of his ultimate demise. UK is perhaps the friendliest big 5 conference job for losing coaches.

 

[sefus12]

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3 years in and people expecting UK to not get their asses kicked by the worst team in the SEC is not "win instantly" pressure.

Make no mistake, his very own losing history will be the cause of his ultimate demise. UK is perhaps the friendliest big 5 conference job for losing coaches.

Vandy didn't kick our ***. We thoroughly kicked our own *** in that game. Outside of a trick play Vandy did next to nothing in that game.

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

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Vandy didn't kick our ***. We thoroughly kicked our own *** in that game. Outside of a trick play Vandy did next to nothing in that game.

They held a 21-10 lead at halftime and did everything but quick kick on 1st down in the second half because of their certainty that UK would **** the bed.

That's not a Steve Spurrier vs Bill Curry *** kicking, but for god forsaken Vandy football, that was an ***-kicking.

 

[kb22stang]

So you couldn't come up with anything to dispute my post so you resorted to name calling. Speaks volumes of how much you know about it.

For starters the job pays well. UK plays in a league that provides it maximum exposure and a schedule that is taylor made for bowl eligibility every year (yes, the SECE is that weak). It has a fan base full of people like you who only view it as a reason to get to campus before basketball season starts and will defend it with every excuse in the book no matter how bad it gets. And lest I forget, what other school has given a football coach a sweetheart extension BEFORE he's racked up his first signature win?

UK pays well relative to what? Not compared to the coaches they'll be going up against. And yes, you get exposure in the SEC but that's only positive if you win. Add to that that UK has relatively no in state talent to speak of, and play in a conference where the best athletes in the country play. The SEC east was down for one year and that makes the schedule bowl friendly? Florida on the rise, GA with a coveted hire, UT improving but yes SC is down and Vandy is Vandy. UKs facilities have improved, and yet they're still in the bottom 1/3 of their league. UK has a history of losing to overcome on the recruiting trail. UK has a fan base that doesn't understand the game, leaves at half time (maybe staying until the 3rd quarter ends) and has no clue what it will it take to build a program. And that same fan base expects results yesterday. I can't remember a UK coach that left UK and went on to a better job, or improved their reputation by being here. And that covers 6 consecutive coaches that I have personally watched.

It's fans like me that understand the obstacles and understand it takes time to build a program in this conference especially when the program has zero positive history and zero in state talent to work with. Yes, Stoops got an extension that may have been premature. But hell, the same fans that want him fired were scared he'd leave for Miami earlier this year. Keeping a coach is a tricky tightrope.

I highly doubt that in coaching circles this is thought of as a friendly job. But hey, maybe you're in the D1 coaching fraternity and know differently.

 

[rjr]

Positive Facts
1. Recruiting is at the highest level ever-we are actually competing with the SEC schools-and landing some
all while even not going to a bowl yet
2. Building a great base with KY kids starting to stay home and play
3. Stoops is a known name in college football
4. He got Marrow here and KEPT him, with Michigan in pursuit
5. He is always classy and gives respect to all teams and takes the blame for everything, represents KY well
6. Stoops is a known national champion DC (not HC I know)

With a few exceptions, Ky has been a loser in football for over 50 years
My concern: Stoops inherited a dumpster fire. If, in 3 years, we won't accept anything but winning and going to a bowl game, what "good" coach will WANT to come here under the same win instantly pressure? I think we need to be careful what we wish for. I understand the "I'm done because we're still losing" attitude-they have broken my heart for 40+ years. We are long time sufferers, but Stoops has only been here 3 years. I firmly believe he needs 4-6 years to develop a new identity for this football team. I just hope we don't let our long losing history be the reason for his short tenure.

Wait....lets stop on the increasing time someone needs to get to a bowl game- now you need 6 years????? No, he has the players here now that can win 6 games. He could have won 6 games this year had the coaching staff not gone full retard during the Vandy game. A rather savvy Madden player could have coached that game better from the sidelines and gotten a win.

Having said that, I agree we should give him 5 years. Why? Because I don't want to start all over again just yet. Secondly, he is going to need 5 years because next year's schedule is a beast. But 6? No. That's a bridge too far. If he can't get it done in 5 years he needs to go.

As an aside- he has recruited very well. I honestly believe if Stoops can't get it done here, a competent coach could be brought in and be able to right the ship pretty quickly- because the players are here. Its not like the dumpster fire that Joker left behind.

 

[rjr]

They held a 21-10 lead at halftime and did everything but quick kick on 1st down in the second half because of their certainty that UK would **** the bed.

That's not a Steve Spurrier vs Bill Curry *** kicking, but for god forsaken Vandy football, that was an ***-kicking.

But it was self-inflicted. UK was the better team on the field that day. I mean we have over 225 yards rushing against them! You run the ball for over 200 yards against a team, its difficult to lose. We would have thrown for more yards too, were it not for the trick play our coaching staff failed to see and call a TO. But again, when you rush for over 200 yards- there should be no reason to throw the ball much.

But look- losing this way is worse- in looking at the coach- because this was coaching, IMO, that lost that game.