A real head scratch of a quote?

[capnbillhitters]

"We started off well (against Downers Grove South), but as the game went on and we got a comfortable lead, it was like the kids were bored. They lost their focus," [Homer Flosswood coach] Buzea, said.

Bored? You threw for 350 yards after you were up 14-0 on two plays with all your starters in the game. And your guys got bored. Geez, should we get the DS kids and coaches to apologize for not bringing enough game against your preordained champs?

horrible choice of words for a coach that should know better

 

[godfthr53]

"We started off well (against Downers Grove South), but as the game went on and we got a comfortable lead, it was like the kids were bored. They lost their focus," [Homer Flosswood coach] Buzea, said.

Bored? You threw for 350 yards after you were up 14-0 on two plays with all your starters in the game. And your guys got bored. Geez, should we get the DS kids and coaches to apologize for not bringing enough game against your preordained champs?

horrible choice of words for a coach that should know better

I know exactly what he means though. Try sitting through all the 2nd halfs I watched last year.

 

[capnbillhitters]

At West, we have experienced more than a few of these games. You get a chance to see everyone play and the crowd gets to hear new names called for tackles and runs. That is fun for junior and sophomore parents etc. In those games your senior leaders have as much fun cheering on their buddies who take a beating in practice each week as the scout team. It is the coaches job to hold everyone to the highest standard...even the last guy on the bench when they get called.

There may be some guys getting bored, but as a coach, that is a very poor choice of words to blurt out to the press. And my bigger point would be why would you keep your starters in so long as to allow them to get bored.

To give the quote context, he finished the thought with "That's a big concern. We can't just turn it on and off, and especially not when you're playing a team like Stevenson. We need to keep our focus and concentration."

 

[jwarigaku]

Capn,

Having a hard time connecting your claims. I was at the game last week against Bolingbrook which was more of a blowout than the score would suggest and even after coach Ivlow waved the white flag subbing none starters on both sides of the ball, GBW still had Brodner running the ball up until the very last offensive series, and the defensive starters playing as well...please explain.

At West, we have experienced more than a few of these games. You get a chance to see everyone play and the crowd gets to hear new names called for tackles and runs. That is fun for junior and sophomore parents etc. In those games your senior leaders have as much fun cheering on their buddies who take a beating in practice each week as the scout team. It is the coaches job to hold everyone to the highest standard...even the last guy on the bench when they get called.

There may be some guys getting bored, but as a coach, that is a very poor choice of words to blurt out to the press. And my bigger point would be why would you keep your starters in so long as to allow them to get bored.

To give the quote context, he finished the thought with "That's a big concern. We can't just turn it on and off, and especially not when you're playing a team like Stevenson. We need to keep our focus and concentration."

 

[capnbillhitters]

28-7 is no blow out. You know damn well that before Skinner returned that kickoff that it was a ball game at 14-7. One long pass after that KO return and it was 28-7. Yes Hetlett kept his team out there because he wants his starters ready to go 48 minutes every game. Extra playing time is pickup up during JV games. It was only really the last series that Brook put in clean jerseys.

When a game gets out of hand in the first quarter/second quarter, you don't see West throwing the ball to run it up. Against York last year, the game was over with 8 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter with west up 34-0 after Brodners 4th or 5th TD and 200+ yds rushing. Brodner and all the starters sat the rest of the way. JV guys played York to a stand off ...something like 7-6 after that. Our fans had a blast because our JV guys got to complete for 2+ quarters in front of all the parents. Not a single person would have claimed to be "bored" at that game. When our JV scored their TD and extra pt to "beat" York, everyone, including Brodner cheered those guys coming off the field like they were champs.

That is the way our program wins big.

 

[jwarigaku]

Capn,

The Skinner kick off return was in the first half with about 1 min left on the clock to go up 21-7. 28-7 on paper may not look like a blow out but Bolingbrook could not threaten in that game and you know it. Clean jerseys came in to start the 4th Quarter on Offense and with about 8 mins left on Defense the white flag was up. Your revisionist post is not quite factual, but go ahead and take another stab.

28-7 is no blow out. You know damn well that before Skinner returned that kickoff that it was a ball game at 14-7. One long pass after that KO return and it was 28-7. Yes Hetlett kept his team out there because he wants his starters ready to go 48 minutes every game. Extra playing time is pickup up during JV games. It was only really the last series that Brook put in clean jerseys.

When a game gets out of hand in the first quarter/second quarter, you don't see West throwing the ball to run it up. Against York last year, the game was over with 8 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter with west up 34-0 after Brodners 4th or 5th TD and 200+ yds rushing. Brodner and all the starters sat the rest of the way. JV guys played York to a stand off ...something like 7-6 after that. Our fans had a blast because our JV guys got to complete for 2+ quarters in front of all the parents. Not a single person would have claimed to be "bored" at that game. When our JV scored their TD and extra pt to "beat" York, everyone, including Brodner cheered those guys coming off the field like they were champs.

That is the way our program wins big.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Tuf Borland was on the field late into the 4th quarter. That big dude #8 was on the field just as long.

This isn't about how long West starters played last Saturday. We would never see 28-7 against a top 10 team as a chance to put in the JV guys. Sure you can say, the game is over, but it is thoroughly appropriate to work your guys into shape by keeping them in that game.

 

[jwarigaku]

Like I said 8 minutes left in the game! If its ok for GBW to work their starting guys up until the final series, why isn't it ok for HF to work their second string QB and let him throw the ball as well?

Tuf Borland was on the field late into the 4th quarter. That big dude #8 was on the field just as long.

This isn't about how long West starters played last Saturday. We would never see 28-7 against a top 10 team as a chance to put in the JV guys. Sure you can say, the game is over, but it is thoroughly appropriate to work your guys into shape by keeping them in that game.

 

[capnbillhitters]

starting QB had 350 yds passing right? and he didn't start passing until score was 14-0.

My point wasn't that he left them in as much as he said "they got bored" That is a horrible thing to say. It shows up the other team.

 

[chuck998]

Capn,

The Skinner kick off return was in the first half with about 1 min left on the clock to go up 21-7. 28-7 on paper may not look like a blow out but Bolingbrook could not threaten in that game and you know it. Clean jerseys came in to start the 4th Quarter on Offense and with about 8 mins left on Defense the white flag was up. Your revisionist post is not quite factual, but go ahead and take another stab.

I attended this game. I watched very closely for the first sign from Brooks throwing in the towel. When Brooks started playing reserves, GW did as well. It would be incorrect to say otherwise. And Brooks kept their big guys in the game as they sent in reserves. Both teams played hard and both coaches did a great job. Any suggestion that GW played starters against Brooks reserves in just wrong. And the HF coach, if he had a chance, would not have said what he said.

 

[jwarigaku]

Chuck,

Brodner played until the LAST series...discussion closed!

Moving on, good luck this week and going forward for all the boys to stay healthy and play well.

I attended this game. I watched very closely for the first sign from Brooks throwing in the towel. When Brooks started playing reserves, GW did as well. It would be incorrect to say otherwise. And Brooks kept their big guys in the game as they sent in reserves. Both teams played hard and both coaches did a great job. Any suggestion that GW played starters against Brooks reserves in just wrong. And the HF coach, if he had a chance, would not have said what he said.

 

[jdhitters]

Brodner was in, but there was a some subbing throughout at other positions. Plus Skinner had more yards than Brodner and if I remember he sat some. BROOK played had a great line and I think that somewhat justified keeping so many starters in. I was a bit surprised some more players did not get time in in 4th quarter, but mayber 1st games are statement games. Remember also there was a lot of questions about the inexperience of the defense. I think that those doubts some had should now be laid to rest. I think as season progresses GBW will play most or all non starters this season.

 

[chuck998]

Chuck,

Brodner played until the LAST series...discussion closed!

Moving on, good luck this week and going forward for all the boys to stay healthy and play well.

I guess I missed the point of your original post. You're point is that, even though both teams were playing reserves, since Brodner was still in the game, the GW was still trying to score? And Brooks had retired all starters at that point for the game? I'm not clear about the point you want to make. Before closing the discussion please help me out and make your point clear.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Couple of thoughts here. First, I don't think the comments from the HF coach are disrespectful of the other team as much as they are an honest assessment of his own team.

And if you think he's the first to make a comment like that then you haven't been around football that much.

Secondly, if I was a GBW fan, if my team is up 28-7 into the fourth quarter in the very first game of the season, I wouldn't be real happy on a sloppy track that the best running back in the state was still playing.

I don't care how good the other offensive players for GBW are, if Brodner goes down, they won't nearly be as good. Makes zero sense that he's on the field into the fourth quarter on a sloppy track up three scores.

As a head coach I don't care what the other team is doing only what my team does.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Thanks Newt. I get that it can and often is said. I just think you have to be a little careful when you have the best team on the planet. I guess it is not "shocking" more that it is kinda crappy.

I agree that Brodner might have played a series or two longer than I might have played him but they don't pay me to coach. I trust that the coach / player relationship dictates game time decisions and that I have zero clue about the dynamic of that relationship.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Thanks Cap. I trust Hetlett too but as a fan of a team I get nervous - especially early in the year and on a bad track. In football unlike any other sport, one slip or twist can mean the worst. Glad it didn't happen for his sake and the sake of the program.

 

[jwarigaku]

Chuck,

I think Newt said it very well. My point to Cap'n, was that he was calling out HF for essentially the same thing GBW did, and GBW did it at the risk to key players when simply not necessary in the worst conditions possible. Can't have it both ways. Is it ok to close the discussion now?

I guess I missed the point of your original post. You're point is that, even though both teams were playing reserves, since Brodner was still in the game, the GW was still trying to score? And Brooks had retired all starters at that point for the game? I'm not clear about the point you want to make. Before closing the discussion please help me out and make your point clear.

 

[chuck998]

Chuck,

I think Newt said it very well. My point to Cap'n, was that he was calling out HF for essentially the same thing GBW did, and GBW did it at the risk to key players when simply not necessary in the worst conditions possible. Can't have it both ways. Is it ok to close the discussion now?

Lol...yes sir! Thanks. And looking forward to some good games tonight.

 

[capnbillhitters]

I was calling the coach out for a ****** comment, not running up the score, but feel free to think you made a point.

 

[SilverHelmets]

Having a hard time connecting your claims. I was at the game last week against Bolingbrook which was more of a blowout than the score would suggest and even after coach Ivlow waved the white flag subbing none starters on both sides of the ball, GBW still had Brodner running the ball up until the very last offensive series, and the defensive starters playing as well...please explain.

21 points is not a blowout especially against an explosive team. Also it is, not like West was throwing the ball. Just admit you hate West. All your post make it obvious so it is hard to take any of your comments about them serious.

 

[jwarigaku]

SilverHelmets,

First I have no hate for GBW. I went to the game to see both teams play live with NO horse in the race on a rainy Saturday afternoon. Is Bolingbrook explosive, some years...certainly, were they last Saturday? No.
Was West throwing the ball last Saturday? No, but how many times do they throw the ball in an average game...not many! Again to paraphrase Newt(who I have often disagreed with) "having one of your best starters playing in the 4th quarter of a game in hand on a sloppy track is careless at best and really kinda silly". Cap'n was calling out HF(again not my horse) for bad form with comments and running up the score, but they were just getting work in with their second and third strings implementing their standard game plan, so yes passing was involved. Again just to be clear I don't hate GBW and have no reason to, but I will call you out if I think you're being silly with your comments. Now again I will say to you and your hitters good luck for the rest of the season and stay healthy!

21 points is not a blowout especially against an explosive team. Also it is, not like West was throwing the ball. Just admit you hate West. All your post make it obvious so it is hard to take any of your comments about them serious.

 

[SilverHelmets]

SilverHelmets,

First I have no hate for GBW. I went to the game to see both teams play live with NO horse in the race on a rainy Saturday afternoon. Is Bolingbrook explosive, some years...certainly, were they last Saturday? No.
Was West throwing the ball last Saturday? No, but how many times do they throw the ball in an average game...not many! Again to paraphrase Newt(who I have often disagreed with) "having one of your best starters playing in the 4th quarter of a game in hand on a sloppy track is careless at best and really kinda silly". Cap'n was calling out HF(again not my horse) for bad form with comments and running up the score, but they were just getting work in with their second and third strings implementing their standard game plan, so yes passing was involved. Again just to be clear I don't hate GBW and have no reason to, but I will call you out if I think you're being silly with your comments. Now again I will say to you and your hitters good luck for the rest of the season and stay healthy!

Got it. It is a balancing game between getting work in and resting players early in the season. West's schedule typically makes it a challenge for the coach to balance that during the regular season because they don't have the weekly grind of the DVC or CCL Blue.
Now Newt might be the biggest GW hater alive so quoting him doesn't help your cause in this case.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I'm a GBW hater now? Wow time flies fast - for inky 8 posts you've got much to learn your Silver Helmet.

 

[capnbillhitters]

SilverHelmets,

Cap'n was calling out HF(again not my horse) for bad form with comments and running up the score, but they were just getting work in with their second and third strings implementing their standard game plan, so yes passing was involved. Again just to be clear I don't hate GBW and have no reason to, but I will call you out if I think you're being silly with your comments. Now again I will say to you and your hitters good luck for the rest of the season and stay healthy!

Sorry you got dragged into this Newt, I thought you made a good point.

As for H-F rotating 2nd & 3rd string, my original point was that the starting QB had 350 yards and he didn't start throwing until the score was 14-0 after a long run, blocked punt and short run.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Man, is this quote really that big of a deal? You guys like going after other teams coaches don't ya, lol. Hetlitt Is God!!!!

 

[Jasondg4]

Sorry you got dragged into this Newt, I thought you made a good point.

As for H-F rotating 2nd & 3rd string, my original point was that the starting QB had 350 yards and he didn't start throwing until the score was 14-0 after a long run, blocked punt and short run.

Sorry you got dragged into this Newt, I thought you made a good point.

As for H-F rotating 2nd & 3rd string, my original point was that the starting QB had 350 yards and he didn't start throwing until the score was 14-0 after a long run, blocked punt and short run.

Yes it was 14 - 0, 3 to 4 minutes into the game after HF had about 4 offensive plays and 1 pass. DGS had a 3 and out with a fumbled snap in punt formation that gave HF 1st and goal at DGS's 1 yard lane for HFs 2nd possession. One play later made it 14 - 0.

So, after 2 possessions, 5 plays, 1 pass play already for 30 yards (HF passed on the 1sr play from scrimmage), and the defending State Champions, Stevenson looming in week 2, you question why pass plays were called for the starting QB and offense. I think I saw the expression getting into "game shape" would certainly be appropriate in this situation. I do not think anyone thought it would be much of a game at that point but the coach should not be criticized for calling pass plays and expecting the starting QB and offense to execute those plays knowing that they like to pass and that they had to head to Lincolnshire week 2. They starters were all pulled with about 10 minutes left in the 3rd qtr. In fact, after it was 14-0, the starting QB threw attempted only 8 more passes while tuning up for the state champs. Several of those passes were screens or swings passes that had 50+ yaks. HF was not throwing to run up the score as you alluded to above but simple executing plays the hope to execute against all future opponents. I think both teams score 1 TD the 2nd have with HF having 2s, 3s, and all others finishing the 2nd half after the opening series of the 3rd.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Welcome to the board Jason. My accusation was a bad choice of words not the running up of the score. As a supporter of a team that often faces the same predicament, I know how difficult it can be to keep a score from becoming disrespectful.

I stick by my original point but think it has been beaten into so many shapes and sizes that is almost comical. Homer Flosswood will face this situation often in their conference with 3-4 games that will be over before kick off. They will do their best to not put the dreaded 70+ on the board this year but with the talent they have it will be unavoidable. I will not judge boys that, when given their chance to impress, play hard and score TDs as a byproduct of their efforts. That would be unfair to those 2nd & 3rd teamers that take a beating all week to prep their 1st team.

The term "bored" is a term I hope my coach never used in a post game interview. I'm sure the Homer Flosswood coach likely wouldn't choose that phrase again after he read his own words.

This board can be fun to discuss all things football. Sometimes we can be nit picky about certain aspects of the game and start a fire. My decision to point out the comment within the context of the facts was an effort to suggest that coaches are responsible for their players attitudes (rotating and challenging their players to stay focused) and showing their opponents a modicum of respect in their post-game comments.

Cheers to Homer Flosswood and again, welcome to the board.

 

[HFDAD]

Your point is well received and understandable! Yes, they will face some unique challenges is some games this season.