A tale of two buzzers

[LansingCat_rivals315357]

As a partisan, it's difficult to tell . But I sure thought the Wildcats received some horrible calls.

The calls in the last second of each half are representative. In the last second of the first half, Sanjay drew a charge but there was no call . Even the announcer was looking for the whistle. In the last second of the game , Vic was called for a foul when the ref as well as whistle .

The game seem to be called in a very one sided fashion .

 

[NJCat]

As a partisan, it's difficult to tell . But I sure thought the Wildcats received some horrible calls.

The calls in the last second of each half are representative. In the last second of the first half, Sanjay drew a charge but there was no call . Even the announcer was looking for the whistle. In the last second of the game , Vic was called for a foul when the rapture as well as whistle .

The game seem to be called in a very one sided fashion .

Meh. The last foul was on Sanjay not Vic and was definitely foul. Home teams get the borderline call. Make shots and move on.

 

[bringbacktherantboard]

Meh. The last foul was on Sanjay not Vic and was definitely foul. Home teams get the borderline call. Make shots and move on.

There definitely shouldn't have been a full second on the clock for that last foul and the refs should have easily corrected that by looking at the monitor. (Did they? They got it blatantly wrong, in either case.)

Home cooking is one thing...

 

[NJCat]

There definitely shouldn't have been a full second on the clock for that last foul and the refs should have easily corrected that by looking at the monitor. (Did they? They got it blatantly wrong, in either case.)

Home cooking is one thing...

They did in fact review the time. I agree with you, should have been less than a second. But the foul was legit. Collins reamed Sanjay out after it was called.

 

[Trigatos]

They did in fact review the time. I agree with you, should have been less than a second. But the foul was legit. Collins reamed Sanjay out after it was called.

I thought the announcer mentioned that the 1 second was the minimum for an end of game foul. I got them impression it was a rule and not a judgement.

 

[NU Houston]

I thought the announcer mentioned that the 1 second was the minimum for an end of game foul. I got them impression it was a rule and not a judgement.

But then the guy bricked the second FT, the ball went 10 feet in the air, another OSU player rebounded it and then put it back in the basket. All in one second? I don't think so. The line was OSU by one, so no effect on the bets. Still, clock starts when ball hits rim.

 

[WildcatWillie_rivals223246]

Still, clock starts when ball hits rim.

Don't think so, fellow Houstonian. Unless the rule has changed recently, clock only begins when touched by a player inbounds. That's why it doesn't start on a made free throw until inbounded by opponents of shooter. You may be thinking of the rule that permits entry of players outside the circle after the free toss (made or missed) touches iron. (Hence, the officials oft-spoken injunction before bouncing to the shooter, "Let it hit," as the rule also determines when the shooter can step across the free throw line.)

Still, I'd agree that a full second might've expired today after the final rebound, and that clock wasn't started correctly.

There's another interesting rule many aren't familiar with that factored into a game I saw at Rice this weekend: with .2 seconds on clock, visiting team took an inbounds pass and threw up a prayer -- that went in. Officials properly waved off the "game-winning" bucket, however; by rule, no catch'n'shoot basket can be accomplished in .3 seconds or less. (A tap isn't included in that provision.)

 

[ColumbusCatFan1_rivals]

They did in fact review the time. I agree with you, should have been less than a second. But the foul was legit. Collins reamed Sanjay out after it was called.

I think, as WillyCat pointed out, Collins reamed him for going for the rebound in the first place.

Seeing the action live (I don't have a way at viewing the reply), I thought it was terrible call.

To my eyes, it appeared as though the OSU player initiated the contact and made it look like Sanjay caused the foul. I believe the Buckeye hooked Lumpkin's arm and pulled him into him. Additionally, why is the ref even blowing a whistle in a two possession game on a borderline call (at best) with less than a second left?

 

[NU Houston]

Still, clock starts when ball hits rim.

Don't think so, fellow Houstonian. Unless the rule has changed recently, clock only begins when touched by a player inbounds. That's why it doesn't start on a made free throw until inbounded by opponents of shooter. You may be thinking of the rule that permits entry of players outside the circle after the free toss (made or missed) touches iron. (Hence, the officials oft-spoken injunction before bouncing to the shooter, "Let it hit," as the rule also determines when the shooter can step across the free throw line.)

Still, I'd agree that a full second might've expired today after the final rebound, and that clock wasn't started correctly.

There's another interesting rule many aren't familiar with that factored into a game I saw at Rice this weekend: with .2 seconds on clock, visiting team took an inbounds pass and threw up a prayer -- that went in. Officials properly waved off the "game-winning" bucket, however; by rule, no catch'n'shoot basket can be accomplished in .3 seconds or less. (A tap isn't included in that provision.)

Thanks WildcatWillie. I stand corrected. One of the TV announcers said the clock should have started earlier, and I guess I took his word for it. Hope all is well with you.

 

[spartcat]

Nah... After our big edge in fouls early they ended up even, and we made our free throws. Fouls decided the game in our favor.

 

[bringbacktherantboard]

I thought the announcer mentioned that the 1 second was the minimum for an end of game foul. I got them impression it was a rule and not a judgement.

That would explain it, then. However, as someone else mentioned, they still waited way too long to start the clock after the missed free throw, and one of the announcers even made mention of it.

 

[Palindrome_rivals517509]

As a partisan, it's difficult to tell . But I sure thought the Wildcats received some horrible calls.

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We were gifted two points when Sanjay, right in front of a ref and not in traffic where it might be hard to see, rose up with the ball (on a shot fake) and came down with the ball before shooting. I'm not sure how it wasn't called, and I didn't notice whether Coach Matta called out the official, but he should have.

 

[NURoseBowl]

We were gifted two points when Sanjay, right in front of a ref and not in traffic where it might be hard to see, rose up with the ball (on a shot fake) and came down with the ball before shooting. I'm not sure how it wasn't called, and I didn't notice whether Coach Matta called out the official, but he should have.

We did catch a break there; I don't think any of us would argue that. Jon Crispin even said, "I have friends who can't jump that high".

 

[NJCat]

We did catch a break there; I don't think any of us would argue that. Jon Crispin even said, "I have friends who can't jump that high".

That was a laugh out loud funny line. Count me as one of his friends in that case.

 

[Donatello Cat]

We did catch a break there; I don't think any of us would argue that. Jon Crispin even said, "I have friends who can't jump that high".

There was a play around that time in the game when an OSU ball handler appeared to step on the baseline right in front of the ref. I remember thinking that there were definitely some missed calls in both directions. Agree that FT shooting was ultimately the difference. And I thought FTs were going to be the death of us after going into the bonus so early!

 

[pawildcat_rivals209725]

I think, as WillyCat pointed out, Collins reamed him for going for the rebound in the first place.

Seeing the action live (I don't have a way at viewing the reply), I thought it was terrible call.

To my eyes, it appeared as though the OSU player initiated the contact and made it look like Sanjay caused the foul. I believe the Buckeye hooked Lumpkin's arm and pulled him into him. Additionally, why is the ref even blowing a whistle in a two possession game on a borderline call (at best) with less than a second left?

Yes, Collins was not pleased at the needless foul. You could see him yelling, "Keep away from him!" The announcers commented on it.

 

[NURoseBowl]

There was a play around that time in the game when an OSU ball handler appeared to step on the baseline right in front of the ref. I remember thinking that there were definitely some missed calls in both directions. Agree that FT shooting was ultimately the difference. And I thought FTs were going to be the death of us after going into the bonus so early!

I saw that play too, and remember thinking the same thing. The game hasn't yet been played where all the bad calls went against one team, despite what every fan base will tell you.

 

[hdhntr1]

As a partisan, it's difficult to tell . But I sure thought the Wildcats received some horrible calls.

The calls in the last second of each half are representative. In the last second of the first half, Sanjay drew a charge but there was no call . Even the announcer was looking for the whistle. In the last second of the game , Vic was called for a foul when the ref as well as whistle .

The game seem to be called in a very one sided fashion .

It started out with 2 quick fouls on their PG. The charge at the end of the first half was of no consequence as we would have gotten the ball with under 1 second? And the call the last second of second half was against Sanjay for a dumb play on his part. Other calls were more questionable but those I have no problems with,

 

[hdhntr1]

But then the guy bricked the second FT, the ball went 10 feet in the air, another OSU player rebounded it and then put it back in the basket. All in one second? I don't think so. The line was OSU by one, so no effect on the bets. Still, clock starts when ball hits rim.

Thought it was when first touched. Otherwise, clock could run off up to a second on a made free throw and have to be reset each time.

 

[hdhntr1]

We were gifted two points when Sanjay, right in front of a ref and not in traffic where it might be hard to see, rose up with the ball (on a shot fake) and came down with the ball before shooting. I'm not sure how it wasn't called, and I didn't notice whether Coach Matta called out the official, but he should have.

If you look at that play closely, the ball was out of his hands on way to floor before he hit the ground. It was a good no call but I have seen it called in similar situations often enough.

 

[hdhntr1]

Nah... After our big edge in fouls early they ended up even, and we made our free throws. Fouls decided the game in our favor.

Part of that was the fouling of us they had to do to try to get back into the game in the last minute or two. We were 11/12 down the stretch which means they had to commit at least 6 fouls..

 

[hdhntr1]

We did catch a break there; I don't think any of us would argue that. Jon Crispin even said, "I have friends who can't jump that high".

But if you look at the replay, the ball looked to be completely out of his hands when he hit the floor. Seen it called for sure but it seemed like it was the right no call.

 

[NURoseBowl]

But if you look at the replay, the ball looked to be completely out of his hands when he hit the floor. Seen it called for sure but it seemed like it was the right no call.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, then, but if that's what happened, then technically he caught his own pass, no? Either way . . .

 

[hdhntr1]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, then, but if that's what happened, then technically he caught his own pass, no? Either way . . .

No because he had put it to the floor so that was a dribble. When it came up from the floor, he took it and shot it. That is not considered a pass

 

[Donatello Cat]

No because he had put it to the floor so that was a dribble. When it came up from the floor, he took it and shot it. That is not considered a pass

Even with understanding what he did, I think that's a violation. I believe you have to start your dribble before the pivot foot leaves the grounds. Once you jump, your options are limited to passing or shooting (or traveling).

 

[TheC]

Even with understanding what he did, I think that's a violation. I believe you have to start your dribble before the pivot foot leaves the grounds. Once you jump, your options are limited to passing or shooting (or traveling).

Yep... that is why guys get called for traveling all the time when they catch and drive quickly to the basket. Their feet get going too fast and that second foot moves before they dribble the ball.