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Brushy Bill

Brushy Bill

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My position for a few years now has been this, there is not enough common ground between the left and right politically or culturally anymore to allow for effective governance. There are issues that do not have a comfortable middle ground and thus require us to pick one side or the other. I have advocated for a peaceful separation into culturally and politically coherent entities that can form partnerships economically and militarily while still allowing for each to create a governmental structure that embodies the ideals of its citizens. For holding this position I've been mocked, shamed, called vile names and had many unsavory encounters here online. My position allows for the most amount of liberty for each group of citizens, it is anti-Authoritarian and in fact is a return to the more idealized governance that the Framers of the Constitution had in mind. Now, what is your reasoning for wanting to allow this cultural conflict to come to it's ultimate conclusion of authoritarianism and the subjugation of one group at the hands of the other?
 
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MountaineerWV

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Brushy Bill said:
My position for a few years now has been this, there is not enough common ground between the left and right politically or culturally anymore to allow for effective governance. There are issues that do not have a comfortable middle ground and thus require us to pick one side or the other. I have advocated for a peaceful separation into culturally and politically coherent entities that can form partnerships economically and militarily while still allowing for each to create a governmental structure that embodies the ideals of its citizens. For holding this position I've been mocked, shamed, called vile names and had many unsavory encounters here online. My position allows for the most amount of liberty for each group of citizens, it is anti-Authoritarian and in fact is a return to the more idealized governance that the Framers of the Constitution had in mind. Now, what is your reasoning for wanting to allow this cultural conflict to come to it's ultimate conclusion of authoritarianism and the subjugation of one group at the hands of the other?
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ONE nation, Under God......

Ok, I'm done.

EDIT: We didn't split when slavery divided us as a nation, why now?
 
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Brushy Bill said:
My position for a few years now has been this, there is not enough common ground between the left and right politically or culturally anymore to allow for effective governance. There are issues that do not have a comfortable middle ground and thus require us to pick one side or the other. I have advocated for a peaceful separation into culturally and politically coherent entities that can form partnerships economically and militarily while still allowing for each to create a governmental structure that embodies the ideals of its citizens. For holding this position I've been mocked, shamed, called vile names and had many unsavory encounters here online. My position allows for the most amount of liberty for each group of citizens, it is anti-Authoritarian and in fact is a return to the more idealized governance that the Framers of the Constitution had in mind. Now, what is your reasoning for wanting to allow this cultural conflict to come to it's ultimate conclusion of authoritarianism and the subjugation of one group at the hands of the other?
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Agree with you about the part about us being divided and I don't see that getting any better. I do believe the US Congress will be more and more inefficient and ineffective, however, we will not split into two different factions/entities, whatever you want to call them. That's just ludicrous.

I do believe we will see some changes in regard to the checks and balances that the framers of the Constitution originally intended as a result of this Presidency. There will be changes to prevent a President and the administration from simply ignoring subpoenas and violating laws (see Secretary of the Treasury for example). The most corrupt President in the history of the country (worse than Nixon) will cause changes to be made to reduce the chance for future corruption.
 
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Brushy Bill

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countryroads89 said:
we will not split into two different factions/entities, whatever you want to call them. That's just ludicrous.
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You guys act like America will continue in perpetuity. It will not unless one group completely subjugates the other and in that case we're no longer America anyway. Heck, the framers would cry tears of sadness if they could see what America has become over the last 100 years.
 
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MountaineerWV

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Brushy Bill said:
You guys act like America will continue in perpetuity. It will not unless one group completely subjugates the other and in that case we're no longer America anyway. Heck, the framers would cry tears of sadness if they could see what America has become over the last 100 years.
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So, you are advocating for a one party system......hmmm.......what do they call that?
 
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jpoppa said:
How many illegals and dead people voted?
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lmfao, I don't know, how many did Donnies commission uncover? ya'll are a minority, we don't need any help, think ya have grown yer base since 2016? that how ya won the 2018 midterms? lol.
 
Brushy Bill

Brushy Bill

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Keyser76 said:
lmfao, I don't know, how many did Donnies commission uncover? ya'll are a minority, we don't need any help, think ya have grown yer base since 2016? that how ya won the 2018 midterms? lol.
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Both of you stay on topic.
 
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countryroads89_rivals

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Brushy Bill said:
It will not unless one group completely subjugates the other and in that case we're no longer America anyway. Heck, the framers would cry tears of sadness if they could see what America has become over the last 100 years.
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Seriously dude, seek professional help. You really struggle with other people having different ideas, beliefs different from yours. You hate diversity. You remind me of James Alex Fields Jr.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
ONE nation, Under God......

Ok, I'm done.

EDIT: We didn't split when slavery divided us as a nation, why now?
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Because one side wants Socialism and to do away with the first and second amendments and the other wants to stay free.
 
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Brushy Bill

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countryroads89 said:
You really struggle with other people having different ideas, beliefs different from yours
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Depends on what the idea is and whether it has legitimate merit or not. There may be many ways to get to the same point, but if the destination is different, well then, we have a problem Houston.

countryroads89 said:
You hate diversity.
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Diversity for the sake of diversity is STUPID. Diversity for the sake of improving a culture or society is beneficial. You guys have bought in to the "Diversity (for the sake of diversity) is our strength" meme. That's not good.

countryroads89 said:
James Alex Fields Jr
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Oh good grief.
 
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Keyser76 said:
lmfao, I don't know, how many did Donnies commission uncover? ya'll are a minority, we don't need any help, think ya have grown yer base since 2016? that how ya won the 2018 midterms? lol.
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Man you are so race focused. You have to be a miserable old dude bro.
 
Brushy Bill

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No one has yet given a good reason why we shouldn't go our separate ways. Is it for sentimental reasons? Fear of the unknown?
 
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countryroads89 said:
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I do believe we will see some changes in regard to the checks and balances that the framers of the Constitution originally intended as a result of this Presidency. There will be changes to prevent a President and the administration from simply ignoring subpoenas and violating laws (see Secretary of the Treasury for example).
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Its cute how you think this sort of thing just started or that the left will try to change it.
 
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countryroads89 said:
Agree with you about the part about us being divided and I don't see that getting any better. I do believe the US Congress will be more and more inefficient and ineffective, however, we will not split into two different factions/entities, whatever you want to call them. That's just ludicrous.

I do believe we will see some changes in regard to the checks and balances that the framers of the Constitution originally intended as a result of this Presidency. There will be changes to prevent a President and the administration from simply ignoring subpoenas and violating laws (see Secretary of the Treasury for example). The most corrupt President in the history of the country (worse than Nixon) will cause changes to be made to reduce the chance for future corruption.
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It’s because of Trump? Are you stoned?

Did you forget about Holder and Louis Lerner both being held in contempt? Same as Brian Pagliano for Hildebeast? Individuals under Bush as well, Clinton before that, and Reagan and so on.

I mean, FDR holds the highest amount of EOs, correct? We have precedents going back to the 1800s to address these issues. There are positions in the Federalist papers.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
It’s because of Trump? Are you stoned?

Did you forget about Holder and Louis Lerner both being held in contempt? Same as Brian Pagliano for Hildebeast? Individuals under Bush as well, Clinton before that, and Reagan and so on.

I mean, FDR holds the highest amount of EOs, correct? We have precedents going back to the 1800s to address these issues. There are positions in the Federalist papers.
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He didnt know any of that. He thinks this stuff started and will end with DJT45
 
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cam_blev

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My first thought would be to default on debt (there is no way it ever gets paid) and break up into smaller countries.
Second option is take almost all power away from the federal government and go back to State governments having the power like they were supposed to people can focus on their own problems instead everybody trying to act like their opinions are best for ALL 300,000,000 other people in our country, and instead everybodys stupid ideas will have significantly less affect on those that have different ideas.
Also as a free market capitalist I see the value of competition to better test and compare different ideas and opening minds to trying newer, more modern ideas of government (or lack there of).
 
Brushy Bill

Brushy Bill

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MountaineerWV said:
We have a bunch of traitors on this website.....advocating the breakup of the Union......
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countryroads89 said:
But they are the patriots. They love America, not us libz.
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If you want to make it a zero sum game winner take all, I'm ok with forcing you to live in a world of my liking. Although, like I've said, I prefer to have a solution that allows the most people to have the most liberty.
 
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MountaineerWV

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Brushy Bill said:
If you want to make it a zero sum game winner take all, I'm ok with forcing you to live in a world of my liking. Although, like I've said, I prefer to have a solution that allows the most people to have the most liberty.
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Then.....leave.......bye.

EDIT: TRAITOR
 
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MountaineerWV said:
We have a bunch of traitors on this website.....advocating the breakup of the Union......
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If it was a better for all parties involved than the current status quo is it still wrong? And would you still be against it?

Edit: or ..... MERICA!!!!!
 
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MountaineerWV

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cam_blev said:
If it was a better for all parties involved than the current status quo is it still wrong? And would you still be against it?

Edit: or ..... MERICA!!!!!
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So, you are only FOR the Constitution when it counts for you....but you are willing to tear up the Constitution because you guys don't always get your way?
 
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MountaineerWV said:
So, you are only FOR the Constitution when it counts for you....but you are willing to tear up the Constitution because you guys don't always get your way?
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So firstly, you did not answer either question I asked.
Secondly, I honestly couldn't care less about a piece of paper. It means nothing. I care about people.
 
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jpoppa said:
Time for you to get that rainbow flag out and fly it around on that response
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I only fly one flag......:americanflag:

Sad that your party flies many different flags........




 
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MountaineerWV

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Brushy Bill said:
MWV - what is your SPECIFIC reasoning for rejecting my proposal?
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Just because you babies don't like not getting your way, shouldn't mean breaking up this great nation. Slavery divided us, but didn't topple us.........neither will anything else.
 
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Brushy Bill

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So, am I on ignore for most of you people or is this topic simply not interesting to you guys.
 
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