A warmists admits what most sane people already know

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That only the rich and the connected have benefited from government global warming policies. Al Gore is worth about $100M fwiw.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/03/i...-global-warming-policies-have-made-us-poorer/

The problem with point to people that make money from global warming policies and saying "They only think what they think because it makes them money" is that on the whole a LOT more money is to be made by people saying global warming is not true than by saying it is true.
 

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The problem with point to people that make money from global warming policies and saying "They only think what they think because it makes them money" is that on the whole a LOT more money is to be made by people saying global warming is not true than by saying it is true.

Nice try. The warmists have made fools of the true believers. They have their private jets, big homes, vacation homes and complain about our air conditioners, lol. Gore made a killing after leaving the Senate with very little in the way of assets. And Gore is just one of many. Solyndra anyone?
 

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Nice try. The warmists have made fools of the true believers. They have their private jets, big homes, vacation homes and complain about our air conditioners, lol. Gore made a killing after leaving the Senate with very little in the way of assets. And Gore is just one of many. Solyndra anyone?

Yeah, must've been a nice try, since you didn't even try to refute it. The oil industry stand to make not only billions off the status quo but trillions if the status quo continues long enough. Complaining about Al Gore's big house looks pretty damn silly in comparison.
 

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Yeah, must've been a nice try, since you didn't even try to refute it. The oil industry stand to make not only billions off the status quo but trillions if the status quo continues long enough. Complaining about Al Gore's big house looks pretty damn silly in comparison.

The oil industry has been in business for decades. The green business is relatively new and acolytes like you and the government fund Al Gore's coffers with massive new wealth. The same is true for many well connected individuals businesses. Meanwhile the rank and file get poorer since they are having to pay for this mess. Remember, it is a fellow acolyte that made this claim and he is the lead economist for the IPCC.
 

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The oil industry has been in business for decades. The green business is relatively new and acolytes like you and the government fund Al Gore's coffers with massive new wealth. The same is true for many well connected individuals businesses. Meanwhile the rank and file get poorer since they are having to pay for this mess. Remember, it is a fellow acolyte that made this claim and he is the lead economist for the IPCC.

How long the oil industry has been in business isn't the point. There is a lot more money to be made by maintaining the status quo than by changing. That doesn't by itself determine anything with regards to global warming, but saying that those asserting global warming are doing so only because they're making a buck of it is silly considering how many bucks are being made by those saying global warming isn't happening.
 

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How long the oil industry has been in business isn't the point. There is a lot more money to be made by maintaining the status quo than by changing. That doesn't by itself determine anything with regards to global warming, but saying that those asserting global warming are doing so only because they're making a buck of it is silly considering how many bucks are being made by those saying global warming isn't happening.
He's yet to make sense on this issue. He and some others just hate to see anyone but fossil fuel companies get a subsidy especially when it's the clean and renewable energy sources of the future.
 

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How long the oil industry has been in business isn't the point. There is a lot more money to be made by maintaining the status quo than by changing. That doesn't by itself determine anything with regards to global warming, but saying that those asserting global warming are doing so only because they're making a buck of it is silly considering how many bucks are being made by those saying global warming isn't happening.

Your argument is not with me but with the IPCC economist who made these observations.
 

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He's yet to make sense on this issue. He and some others just hate to see anyone but fossil fuel companies get a subsidy especially when it's the clean and renewable energy sources of the future.

You're lying. I want all corporate subsidies to end. All of them.
 

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Your argument is not with me but with the IPCC economist who made these observations.

You're ignoring my point. My point has nothing to do with Al Gore or the IPCC and instead has to do with incentives re maintaining the status quo or changing.
 

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You're ignoring my point. My point has nothing to do with Al Gore or the IPCC and instead has to do with incentives re maintaining the status quo or changing.

What does that have to do with his observations? NOTHING.
 

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What does that have to do with his observations? NOTHING.

I don't know who "his" is. Maybe you're referring to that article you linked to. I don't know. I was referring to your implication that Al Gore is in this to get rich, as if an incentive to get rich discredits someone. If an incentive to get rich discredits someone then it's not Al Gore's side that gets the most discredit.
 

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Becasue he's worth $100 million. And he got more votes than W.[cheers]
Except in Florida where it mattered. At least according to the Miami Herald who traveled the state and counted all the votes after the fact.
#factsliberalshate
 

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I don't know who "his" is. Maybe you're referring to that article you linked to. I don't know. I was referring to your implication that Al Gore is in this to get rich, as if an incentive to get rich discredits someone. If an incentive to get rich discredits someone then it's not Al Gore's side that gets the most discredit.
Who specifically is getting rich from discrediting climate change?
 

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How long the oil industry has been in business isn't the point. There is a lot more money to be made by maintaining the status quo than by changing. That doesn't by itself determine anything with regards to global warming, but saying that those asserting global warming are doing so only because they're making a buck of it is silly considering how many bucks are being made by those saying global warming isn't happening.
The oil companies that make all the money are not saying global warming isn't happening.
 

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Except in Florida where it mattered. At least according to the Miami Herald who traveled the state and counted all the votes after the fact.
#factsliberalshate
True. But the fact is about a half million more Americans voted for Gore than W.
#goregotmorevotes
#jebthevotecounter
#kharrisw'scampaignchair
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The oil companies that make all the money are not saying global warming isn't happening.

They aren't? So the oil companies are just staying completely neutral and they don't really care how the debate on global warming comes out? Yeah, and I've got some oceanfront property in Preston County you might be interested in.
 

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True. But the fact is about a half million more Americans voted for Gore than W.
#goregotmorevotes
#jebthevotecounter
#kharrisw'scampaignchair
#smellsfishy
That is like saying you won a basketball game because you made more shots but lost by 10.
 

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They aren't? So the oil companies are just staying completely neutral and they don't really care how the debate on global warming comes out? Yeah, and I've got some oceanfront property in Preston County you might be interested in.
Prove it. Which ones deny climate change?
 

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They aren't? So the oil companies are just staying completely neutral and they don't really care how the debate on global warming comes out? Yeah, and I've got some oceanfront property in Preston County you might be interested in.

You've completely ignored the OP and are deflecting. The lead economist for the IPCC said the actions taken this far have enriched the powerful and the well connected, but have accomplished next to nothing.
 

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That only the rich and the connected have benefited from government global warming policies. Al Gore is worth about $100M fwiw.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/03/i...-global-warming-policies-have-made-us-poorer/
This economist doesn't think that climate change is a big deal so perhaps he's a luke warmist at best. According to Tol "the impact of climate change is relatively small".[5] He was also among the US Senate Republican Party's "list of scientists disputing man-made global warming claims", which stated that Tol "dismissed the idea that mankind must act now to prevent catastrophic global warming".[6] He disagrees with and has written that the IPCC is alarmist. He's written about the positive aspects of atmospheric warming and believes there should be more emphasis on adapting to climate change (just deal with it!). He states that those in politically favored industries or with connections to powerful politicians have benefited from current and past climate policies but as mentioned in this thread, fossil fuel based industries and those with connections to powerful politicians have historically benefited from the lack of any climate policy prior to the recent political and regulatory environment. Obviously CO2 emissions are being incrementally reduced from what they could be with every solar array and windmill installed and with every power plant that switches to natural gas from coal, etc. but it's going to take decades before we know if the greenhouse gas emissions reduction efforts are paying off. He's stating that current and past climate policies haven't done enough to reduce greenhouse gas emissions so I support him if he's in pursuit of stronger and more effective GHG emission reduction policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Tol
 

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This economist doesn't think that climate change is a big deal so perhaps he's a luke warmist at best. According to Tol "the impact of climate change is relatively small".[5] He was also among the US Senate Republican Party's "list of scientists disputing man-made global warming claims", which stated that Tol "dismissed the idea that mankind must act now to prevent catastrophic global warming".[6] He disagrees with and has written that the IPCC is alarmist. He's written about the positive aspects of atmospheric warming and believes there should be more emphasis on adapting to climate change (just deal with it!). He states that those in politically favored industries or with connections to powerful politicians have benefited from current and past climate policies but as mentioned in this thread, fossil fuel based industries and those with connections to powerful politicians have historically benefited from the lack of any climate policy prior to the recent political and regulatory environment. Obviously CO2 emissions are being incrementally reduced from what they could be with every solar array and windmill installed and with every power plant that switches to natural gas from coal, etc. but it's going to take decades before we know if the greenhouse gas emissions reduction efforts are paying off. He's stating that current and past climate policies haven't done enough to reduce greenhouse gas emissions so I support him if he's in pursuit of stronger and more effective GHG emission reduction policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Tol

"Tol is probably the world’s leading environmental economist and a lead author of a United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group."
 

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"Tol is probably the world’s leading environmental economist and a lead author of a United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group."
Yes, saw your linked right wing opinion piece from the guy espousing the benefits of climate change. Thanks.
 

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"Tol is probably the world’s leading environmental economist and a lead author of a United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group."
United nations? Yes a real wealth of unbiased knowledge. We should do away with it.
 

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United nations? Yes a real wealth of unbiased knowledge. We should do away with it.

I don't disagree with that. But libs always tell us the science is settled. Now likely the lead environmental economist states the obvious. The only ones to benefit have been the monied and the connected. The rest of us are simply paying higher energy bills.